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18th club, whose next?

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Here we go again, I’ve pointed out many times what it would be spent on. What encourages kids to play a sport? Answer that and you have your answer.

More kids play soccer despite not giving a f**k about the A-League and having the most expensive sign-on fees in Australia.

That f**ks up your theory about needing lots of money and a local team, hey?

particpation rates are heavily influenced by various factors, just look at rl in perth. Early 90’s 10k with 1 million population. By 2002 down to 1500 with 1.5million, by 2020 up to 4k. Cities now 2.3mill and tipped to get to 3 mill in coming years. No reason with right strategy and investment a lot more people can’t be attracted to play rugby league. Have faith in our sport as an attractive game for kids, just needs the right investment to get it into more schools, get more jnr clubs started up around the state and get more taster sessions happening for kids.

Joondalup Giants have very inexpensive sign-on fees. Lower than QRL clubs and other sports in Perth.

Soccer is the most expensive sign on fees in the country. Rugby union ain't cheap to play.

Earlier you said there's no room for growth in Brisbane and Sydney. Using your logic that means you have no faith in the game's ability to win over new fans.

And then an nrl club for kids to one day dream of playing for and to get local star names for kids to idolise.

How many kids in Perth will play rugby league when the Pirates are in the NRL?

Odds are they'll continue to play soccer and casually support the Pirates.

you yourself have often told us how strong afl has grown participation in queensland on the back of serious investment. You believe afl can do it but not rugby league? You dont seem to believe in the game much?

You always claim fumbleball poses no threat to rugby league in Queensland and NSW, yet you're arguing that it's grown massively due to an increase in grassroots funding?

Much of AwFuL's growth has come from exploiting the historical bias against rugby league in the GPS and independent private school system. They're spending up big on getting fumbleball posts erected at new schools across Queensland. The ARLC won't get this sort of preferential treatment in Perth.
 
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More kids play soccer despite not giving a f**k about the A-League ad having the most expensive sign-on fees in Australia.

That f**ks up your theory about needing lots of money and a local team, hey?



Joondalup Giants have very inexpensive sign-on fees. Lower than QRL clubs and other sports in Perth.

Soccer is the most expensive sign on fees in the country. Rugby union ain't cheap to play.

Earlier you said there's no room for growth in Brisbane and Sydney. Using your logic that means you have no faith in the game's ability to win over new fans.



How many kids in Perth will play when the Pirates are in the NRL?

Odds are they'll continue to player soccer and casually support the Pirates.



You always claim fumbleball poses no threat to rugby league in Queensland and NSW, yet you're arguing that it's grown massively due to an increase in grassroots funding?

Much of AwFuL's growth has come from exploiting the historical bias against rugby league in the GPS and independent private school system. They're spending up big on getting fumbleball posts erected at new schools across Queensland. The ARLC won't get this sort of preferential treatment in Perth.
Ok here we go


Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, epl arguably the biggest comp in the world, then throw in global brands like inter Milan, barcelona, and PSG from outside the epl. Australian kids don’t need a local comp to get them interested, they have international ones that do that.

rugby league does not and therefore need to spend, needs to raise its profile, needs to make is as cheap and easy as possible. It needs to get in kids facets, it needs t9 entice parents to get their kids involved, it needs local clubs for the parents to take their kids to, it needs more and better coaches, facilities, refs etc etc to compete with more established sports here, it needs to build o. The 6 school shs program and have 26 schools participation .

why as a supposed RL fan you wouldn’t want to see that happen is beyond most on here.

sydney and Brisbane are getting $50mill a year plus all the LC pokie money plus all the nrl club money. Spending $3mill more in a saturated market where hundreds of millions is being spent wont reap Much. Spending it in a growth market will. Simples.

what you don’t seem to understand about kids sport is that state govt covers the costs of the first sport kids play, if they want to play a second sport in that year the parents have to pay. So if a perth kids playing soccer and then wants to play rugby league parents get soccer mostly free and have to pay full whack for the rugby, the cheaper the fees the less barrier exists.

20k with the right strategy, investment and raising of the games profile. Happened before. 10k with 1 mill people. No reason we can’t get 20k with 3 million.

Youre the one who for years has talked about afl growth in queensland and why brisbane needs more clubs to combat this threat, now you saying it isnt a threat and hasn’t grow its participation rates? Make your mind up!

so afl are spending big in qlnd and getting results, but we won’t in Perth, because????
 

shewi6

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The Central Coast should have a team! It has a massive juniors competition. Lots of talent going to nrl clubs already and lots of talent going to waste because of no clear pathway for them.
They do deserve a team but probably shouldn't get one if it is an extra nsw team.
In a perfect world the cc bears would have been celebrating 25 years and the affluent northern sydney would still be actively engaged in the nrl and a small time team like manly or cronulla would have been culled instead, further reducing the overcrowded sydney market.
 
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Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, epl arguably the biggest comp in the world, then throw in global brands like inter Milan, barcelona, and PSG from outside the epl. Australian kids don’t need a local comp to get them interested, they have international ones that do that.

EPL's popularity in Australia has dropped significantly over the last 20 years.

rugby league does not and therefore need to spend, needs to raise its profile, needs to make is as cheap and easy as possible.

This is just your opinion.

It needs to get in kids facets, it needs t9 entice parents to get their kids involved, it needs local clubs for the parents to take their kids to, it needs more and better coaches, facilities, refs etc etc to compete with more established sports here, it needs to build o. The 6 school shs program and have 26 schools participation .

Rugby league doesn't need Adelaide and Perth. It's already the most watched sport on television.

Adelaide and Perth need the NRL way more than our game needs them.

why as a supposed RL fan you wouldn’t want to see that happen is beyond most on here.

What I don't understand is why you hate the Brisbane rugby league community so much. You want the ARLC to place a glass ceiling on the the game in Brisbane because you know the only way lowly Perth can get a licence is via affirmative action. If it comes down to assets, corporate support and junior pathways then Perth has no chance of out bidding the Brisbane Tigers.

You can be an advocate for a Perth team without being a miserable arsehole who wants to tear the game down in other markets.

sydney and Brisbane are getting $50mill a year plus all the LC pokie money plus all the nrl club money. Spending $3mill more in a saturated market where hundreds of millions is being spent wont reap Much. Spending it in a growth market will. Simples.

You know what's simple, motherf**ker?

Voting for politicians who will bring WA into the 1990s. Every other jurisdiction legalised pokies in the 90s. NSW legalised them in 1956. Do that and the WARL won't need to beg the ARLC for money to convert the thunderboxes at the Kalgoorlie RLFC into a bathroom with flushing toilets.

what you don’t seem to understand about kids sport is that state govt covers the costs of the first sport kids play, if they want to play a second sport in that year the parents have to pay. So if a perth kids playing soccer and then wants to play rugby league parents get soccer mostly free and have to pay full whack for the rugby, the cheaper the fees the less barrier exists.

Soccer and basketball are winter sports. Only the professional side of the game is played in the summer.

20k with the right strategy, investment and raising of the games profile. Happened before. 10k with 1 mill people. No reason we can’t get 20k with 3 million.

CTE and political correctness have turned people away from contact sports.

Youre the one who for years has talked about afl growth in queensland and why brisbane needs more clubs to combat this threat, now you saying it isnt a threat and hasn’t grow its participation rates? Make your mind up!

so afl are spending big in qlnd and getting results, but we won’t in Perth, because????

Fumbleball had 10k players in Queensland in the 1960s. F**k all money was spent on the game back then.

AwFuL has spent hundreds of millions on NSW and Queensland over the last 30 years to get it where it is today. It'll take decades for any investment in Perth to translate into results. The game isn't going to waste money on rusted on AwFuL states.

AwFuL didn't have a competitor holding it back. Rugby League's growth has been held back by rugby union. It's why fumbleball was accepted into elite GPS schools across Queensland while rugby league was left out of the curriculum.

What makes you think Perth won't present the same stumbling blocks?
 

shewi6

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Editorial pushing for PNG, basically says we should do it because the government wants it and will pay for it. Nothing about how it benefits NRL or how they overcome the serious challenges the team presents.


NRL club executives fail to realise PNG is a scoring opportunity

The Albanese government is scrambling to counter China’s growing influence in the Pacific but the people who control one of the most effective ways of building closer international ties are not helping through their scepticism about Papua New Guinea’s joining the NRL.

The Herald approached all 45 NRL club chief executives, chairmen and general managers to take part in an anonymous poll covering the big issues facing their sport. On the league’s proposed expansion to admit PNG as the 18th team, only 6 per cent of the 33 respondents wanted PNG admitted. Perhaps even more surprising, given the millions of dollars on offer from Canberra for the venture, 68 per cent opposed the region fielding a team in the future. Seventy per cent backed Perth for the next licence.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys has tried to interpret the result positively and says the clubs will change their minds in time. “What you have to understand, to be fair to the people who have answered the questions, they are basing their opinion without any information that we have. Once they get that info, they might have a different view. I guarantee it,” he told the Herald’s Michael Chammas.

Club executives should already know rugby league is a shared passion in Australia and PNG, and, potentially, a powerful connector between the two countries. Half of all NRL players have Pacific heritage.

There are those who would say sport and politics should not mix. However, sports diplomacy transcends borders, fosters mutual understanding and promotes shared values. Australia has long practised sports diplomacy through PacificAus Sports. We supported PNG’s national rugby league and netball teams to compete at major events, helped PNG athletes to prepare for and compete at the Olympic and Commonwealth Games and we continue to deliver sports for development outcomes through the Team Up program.

Making the NRL bosses’ scepticism even more perplexing is the fact that Australia’s financial commitment to PNG’s NRL entry is not small change. Separate from Australia’s grant program, the $5.5 million committed last year and the $60 million promised annually amount to a tenth of the grants Australia provides to PNG each year. That equates to $600 million over 10 years to PNG, in addition to technical support, to put together a strong bid.

Previous Coalition governments took their eyes off the Pacific, allowing China to slip under our guard. For instance, 2021 statistics presented to the Lowy Institute show Australian health grants to Port Moresby fell to a quarter lower than 2011 levels, while education grants plummeted 44 per cent. The Albanese government has been ramping up diplomatic efforts with the Pacific and South-East Asia amid rising tensions with China, including $1.9 billion to build security and people-to-people ties with the Pacific, expanding visas for Pacific workers and funding the redevelopment of a shipyard in Solomon Islands. Under a security guarantee to the remote atoll nation of Tuvalu, which is threatened by rising sea levels, Australia has offered permanent residency to 280 Tuvalu citizens each year.

The NRL is not scheduled to decide on admitting PNG until 2027. But these current and future attempts to rebuild relations with Pacific countries will continue to cost billions of dollars. In terms of value for money in warding off China, admitting a team from the world’s largest Melanesian nation into the ranks of the NRL is not only a good idea but it is also one that represents a far greater bang for buck than some of the other initiatives.
 

Perth Red

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EPL's popularity in Australia has dropped significantly over the last 20 years.



This is just your opinion.



Rugby league doesn't need Adelaide and Perth. It's already the most watched sport on television.

Adelaide and Perth need the NRL way more than our game needs them.



What I don't understand is why you hate the Brisbane rugby league community so much. You want the ARLC to place a glass ceiling on the the game in Brisbane because you know the only way lowly Perth can get a licence is via affirmative action. If it comes down to assets, corporate support and junior pathways then Perth has no chance of out bidding the Brisbane Tigers.

You can be an advocate for a Perth team without being a miserable arsehole who wants to tear the game down in other markets.



You know what's simple, motherf**ker?

Voting for politicians who will bring WA into the 1990s. Every other jurisdiction legalised pokies in the 90s. NSW legalised them in 1956. Do that and the WARL won't need to beg the ARLC for money to convert the thunderboxes at the Kalgoorlie RLFC into a bathroom with flushing toilets.



Soccer and basketball are winter sports. Only the professional side of the game is played in the summer.



CTE and political correctness have turned people away from contact sports.



Fumbleball had 10k players in Queensland in the 1960s. F**k all money was spent on the game back then.

AwFuL has spent hundreds of millions on NSW and Queensland over the last 30 years to get it where it is today. It'll take decades for any investment in Perth to translate into results. The game isn't going to waste money on rusted on AwFuL states.

AwFuL didn't have a competitor holding it back. Rugby League's growth has been held back by rugby union. It's why fumbleball was accepted into elite GPS schools across Queensland while rugby league was left out of the curriculum.

What makes you think Perth won't present the same stumbling blocks?
Are you on drugs? serious question!
 

Perth Red

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The Herald approached all 45 NRL club chief executives, chairmen and general managers to take part in an anonymous poll covering the big issues facing their sport. On the league’s proposed expansion to admit PNG as the 18th team, only 6 per cent of the 33 respondents wanted PNG admitted. Perhaps even more surprising, given the millions of dollars on offer from Canberra for the venture, 68 per cent opposed the region fielding a team in the future. Seventy per cent backed Perth for the next licence.


pretty overwhelming support from people who know what it takes to run a nrl club
 
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The Herald approached all 45 NRL club chief executives, chairmen and general managers to take part in an anonymous poll covering the big issues facing their sport. On the league’s proposed expansion to admit PNG as the 18th team, only 6 per cent of the 33 respondents wanted PNG admitted. Perhaps even more surprising, given the millions of dollars on offer from Canberra for the venture, 68 per cent opposed the region fielding a team in the future. Seventy per cent backed Perth for the next licence.


pretty overwhelming support from people who know what it takes to run a nrl club
If they said not to put a team in Perth you would call them every name in the book and then say "so rugby league".

I cannot wait until the PNG Hunters play the Dolphins at Lang Park in an NRL game. It'll be the first time two teams that played each other in the Queensland Cup will face off in the NRL.

The Perth bid can get f**ked. We don't need dangerous places like Perth in the NRL. We need to think about player welfare.

Imagine trying to get from Perth airport to PRS without getting mugged by hillbillies in fumbleball guernseys?

There's a better chance of winning the Golden Casket.
 

Perth Red

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If they said not to put a team in Perth you would call them every name in the book and then say "so rugby league".

I cannot wait until the PNG Hunters play the Dolphins at Lang Park in an NRL game. It'll be the first time two teams that played each other in the Queensland Cup will face off in the NRL.

The Perth bid can get f**ked. We don't need dangerous places like Perth in the NRL. We need to think about player welfare.

Imagine trying to get from Perth airport to PRS without getting mugged by hillbillies in fumbleball guernseys?

There's a better chance of winning the Golden Casket.
Thanks for answering the drugs question with this addled rant lol
 

Bukowski

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Editorial pushing for PNG, basically says we should do it because the government wants it and will pay for it. Nothing about how it benefits NRL or how they overcome the serious challenges the team presents.


NRL club executives fail to realise PNG is a scoring opportunity

The Albanese government is scrambling to counter China’s growing influence in the Pacific but the people who control one of the most effective ways of building closer international ties are not helping through their scepticism about Papua New Guinea’s joining the NRL.

The Herald approached all 45 NRL club chief executives, chairmen and general managers to take part in an anonymous poll covering the big issues facing their sport. On the league’s proposed expansion to admit PNG as the 18th team, only 6 per cent of the 33 respondents wanted PNG admitted. Perhaps even more surprising, given the millions of dollars on offer from Canberra for the venture, 68 per cent opposed the region fielding a team in the future. Seventy per cent backed Perth for the next licence.

Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter V’landys has tried to interpret the result positively and says the clubs will change their minds in time. “What you have to understand, to be fair to the people who have answered the questions, they are basing their opinion without any information that we have. Once they get that info, they might have a different view. I guarantee it,” he told the Herald’s Michael Chammas.

Club executives should already know rugby league is a shared passion in Australia and PNG, and, potentially, a powerful connector between the two countries. Half of all NRL players have Pacific heritage.

There are those who would say sport and politics should not mix. However, sports diplomacy transcends borders, fosters mutual understanding and promotes shared values. Australia has long practised sports diplomacy through PacificAus Sports. We supported PNG’s national rugby league and netball teams to compete at major events, helped PNG athletes to prepare for and compete at the Olympic and Commonwealth Games and we continue to deliver sports for development outcomes through the Team Up program.

Making the NRL bosses’ scepticism even more perplexing is the fact that Australia’s financial commitment to PNG’s NRL entry is not small change. Separate from Australia’s grant program, the $5.5 million committed last year and the $60 million promised annually amount to a tenth of the grants Australia provides to PNG each year. That equates to $600 million over 10 years to PNG, in addition to technical support, to put together a strong bid.

Previous Coalition governments took their eyes off the Pacific, allowing China to slip under our guard. For instance, 2021 statistics presented to the Lowy Institute show Australian health grants to Port Moresby fell to a quarter lower than 2011 levels, while education grants plummeted 44 per cent. The Albanese government has been ramping up diplomatic efforts with the Pacific and South-East Asia amid rising tensions with China, including $1.9 billion to build security and people-to-people ties with the Pacific, expanding visas for Pacific workers and funding the redevelopment of a shipyard in Solomon Islands. Under a security guarantee to the remote atoll nation of Tuvalu, which is threatened by rising sea levels, Australia has offered permanent residency to 280 Tuvalu citizens each year.

The NRL is not scheduled to decide on admitting PNG until 2027. But these current and future attempts to rebuild relations with Pacific countries will continue to cost billions of dollars. In terms of value for money in warding off China, admitting a team from the world’s largest Melanesian nation into the ranks of the NRL is not only a good idea but it is also one that represents a far greater bang for buck than some of the other initiatives.
An increase in the clubs annual grants will change their minds.
 

Vlad59

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So afl investment has got them To 34k registered players in qlnd, but there no way rugby league in wa or vic could get to 20k? Hmmmm sounding much like an afl fan there old donkey boy.
Just so nobody falls for the afls bullshit and lies a search of their Queensland competitions demonstrates they have less than half the number of teams in se qld as an example compared to league. I have no idea what they are counting but the NRL counts club teams. there are over 1700 league teams between Ipswich, Gold Coast and Brisbane. The afl has nothing like this and many of their comps cover large areas to come up with enough teams. Cairns is another example. Their team numbers are dwarfed by league team numbers. With the afl we are dealing with a pack of liars. And it’s not hard to prove it.
 

Wb1234

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The Herald approached all 45 NRL club chief executives, chairmen and general managers to take part in an anonymous poll covering the big issues facing their sport. On the league’s proposed expansion to admit PNG as the 18th team, only 6 per cent of the 33 respondents wanted PNG admitted. Perhaps even more surprising, given the millions of dollars on offer from Canberra for the venture, 68 per cent opposed the region fielding a team in the future. Seventy per cent backed Perth for the next licence.


pretty overwhelming support from people who know what it takes to run a nrl club
Just so nobody falls for the afls bullshit and lies a search of their Queensland competitions demonstrates they have less than half the number of teams in se qld as an example compared to league. I have no idea what they are counting but the NRL counts club teams. there are over 1700 league teams between Ipswich, Gold Coast and Brisbane. The afl has nothing like this and many of their comps cover large areas to come up with enough teams. Cairns is another example. Their team numbers are dwarfed by league team numbers. With the afl we are dealing with a pack of liars. And it’s not hard to prove it.

Divide by 8 for the real number
 

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