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18th club, whose next?

mongoose

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Canard

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Pretty good assessment of how the Storm have gone cracking Australia’s hardest market. Perth will be much easier to crack

But misses the context of the ARLC doing nothing to assist junior development in Melbourne. The AFL has poured money into the non Aussie Rules states in that same time period.

16 other NRL clubs benefit from a huge junior system that they didn't create or currently fund. Why should it be left to one club to suddenly create an entire system for a state?

Also, for much of the Storm's life, the NRL grant was barely enough to fund the top side.

On all other metrics they are dominanting
 

Vlad59

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But misses the context of the ARLC doing nothing to assist junior development in Melbourne. The AFL has poured money into the non Aussie Rules states in that same time period.

16 other NRL clubs benefit from a huge junior system that they didn't create or currently fund. Why should it be left to one club to suddenly create an entire system for a state?

Also, for much of the Storm's life, the NRL grant was barely enough to fund the top side.

On all other metrics they are dominanting
This is exactly right. For twenty years the NRL basically did nothing to support game development and participation there. The local staff had to work their asses off with bugger all resources to develop the game. They had to knock back applications for new clubs as they didn’t have the resources to manage new comps/teams effectively. When people complain the Storm feeds off player bases from other states I laugh. Wtf were they expected to do when no money was invested in growing pathways? Over the past 5 or so years that had changed and their pathway teams have predominantly local players. These players will feed into the Storm and other clubs. And Welch is right. You don’t went the Rebels going under imho.
 

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You missed an ‘n’ there in the 5th last word and added an ‘l’
Reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago (rough transcript below):

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You live here (Melbourne) now. How can you not support AFL?"

Me: "It's a crap game."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You have to pick a side!"

Me: "Or else what?"

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You won't have anything to talk about."

Me: "I guess I'll have to stick with music, art, philosophy, politics, economics and literature. I really don't care about some lanky teen in a tank top who fumbled a behind for one point."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "But it's a religion here!"

Me: "So are scientology and Mormonism but I'm not signing up to those either."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "I'm going to make it my mission to convert you."

Me: "I'm going to make it my mission to tell you to f*** off every time."
 

Vlad59

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Reminds me of a conversation I had many years ago (rough transcript below):

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You live here (Melbourne) now. How can you not support AFL?"

Me: "It's a crap game."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You have to pick a side!"

Me: "Or else what?"

Fumbleball fan coworker: "You won't have anything to talk about."

Me: "I guess I'll have to stick with music, art, philosophy, politics, economics and literature. I really don't care about some lanky teen in a tank top who fumbled a behind for one point."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "But it's a religion here!"

Me: "So are scientology and Mormonism but I'm not signing up to those either."

Fumbleball fan coworker: "I'm going to make it my mission to convert you."

Me: "I'm going to make it my mission to tell you to f*** off every time."
40 years ago I’m doing an interview in Melbourne for a job. At the end ‘are you staying for the parade?’ . Me ‘what parade?’ ‘The footy parade!’ Me ‘Um no’. You know the rest.
 

docbrown

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40 years ago I’m doing an interview in Melbourne for a job. At the end ‘are you staying for the parade?’ . Me ‘what parade?’ ‘The footy parade!’ Me ‘Um no’. You know the rest.
I swear they're an insufferable bunch. There was a Queenslander who rocked up one day with an Essendon scarf. I didn't think much of it. I don't really care what people like. I started seeing him standing around as the regular groups would discuss who fumbled this and who fumbled that. He'd be there listening. One day I said to him, "I didn't know you watch AFL. I thought you were a Broncos fan." He replied, "I am. I have no idea what they're talking about." The guy was just trying to brownnose. But it made me wonder how many people are simply pretending to like fumbleball and have no idea what the hell it's about simply to suck up or to avoid trying to be converted by annoying fumble lunatics.
 
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Vlad59

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I swear they're an insufferable bunch. There was a Queenslander who rocked up one day with an Essendon scarf. I didn't think much of it. I don't really care what people like. I started seeing him standing around as the regular groups would discuss who fumbled this and who fumbled that. He'd be there listening. One day I said to him, "I didn't know you watch AFL. I thought you were a Broncos fan." He replied, "I am. I have no idea what they're talking about." The guy was just trying to brownnose. But it made me wonder how many people are simply pretending to like fumbleball and have no idea what the hell it's about simply to suck up or to avoid annoying trying to be converted by fumble lunatics.
Every time I’ve had a leader who follows this crap they insist on discussing it every Friday and Monday and can’t comprehend the fact you aren’t interested. They are obsessed with it and can’t cope with dissent or disinterest. Given how much I enjoy annoying idiots it’s a fertile field for me hahaha
 

The Great Dane

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But misses the context of the ARLC doing nothing to assist junior development in Melbourne. The AFL has poured money into the non Aussie Rules states in that same time period.

16 other NRL clubs benefit from a huge junior system that they didn't create or currently fund. Why should it be left to one club to suddenly create an entire system for a state?

Also, for much of the Storm's life, the NRL grant was barely enough to fund the top side.

On all other metrics they are dominanting
The article also breezes over the fact that the Storm themselves largely ignored junior development and grassroots investment in Melbourne and Victoria for the majority of their first two decades.

It was particularly egregious during the time News owned them. They treated investing in the local grassroots in Melbourne like it was an imposition.
 

Vlad59

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The article also breezes over the fact that the Storm themselves largely ignored junior development and grassroots investment in Melbourne and Victoria for the majority of their first two decades.

It was particularly egregious during the time News owned them. They treated investing in the local grassroots in Melbourne like it was an imposition.
I’ve already said this but continue on(and on)
 

Canard

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The article also breezes over the fact that the Storm themselves largely ignored junior development and grassroots investment in Melbourne and Victoria for the majority of their first two decades.

It was particularly egregious during the time News owned them. They treated investing in the local grassroots in Melbourne like it was an imposition.
Is it there sole responsibility though?

Surely the ARLC has to take some responsibility here.

f**k all of this is done by NRL clubs in QLD, for example.
 

The Great Dane

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Is it there sole responsibility though?

Surely the ARLC has to take some responsibility here.

f**k all of this is done by NRL clubs in QLD, for example.
It shouldn't be their sole responsibility, but they still have a responsibility regardless.

Rightly or wrongly, under the current system nothing will get done at all in Victoria unless the Storm do it themselves, as no other organisation has the money, means, or will to do it for them. I mean there's no way that the NRLV has the means or expertise to invest heavily into the grassroots in Melbourne, let alone junior development programs, on the scale the Storm would need to start regularly producing Victorian juniors.

It's no different in Canberra or any other market outside of the direct oversight of the NSWRL or QRL, i.e. basically all of the country outside of QLD, Sydney, and some select parts of coastal NSW.

It ain't right, but it is what it is, and it won't change unless the NRL's whole approach to participation and grassroots changes.
 

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