Hasn't been a factor before now.Common sense?
Hasn't been a factor before now.Common sense?
Firstly let’s settle this right now - WA juniors with absolutely no pathway cannot be compared to Bears juniors with half a pathway. By pathway I mean directly leading into NRL - by half I mean via. Melbourne Storm and previously via. Roosters as a direct feeder club system.More jnrs, less investment in turning that number into first graders.
800 jnrs in Bears catchment around 2500 in Perth, 3000 in WA.
Imagine if we had a team for those kids to aspire to and investment to get them there!
What Bears does do though is give us a place where talented youngsters from across NSw can play in top Jnr comps without leaving home
I see no need for a Perth Bears NSw cup team based in Sydney, it should be based in Perth.
Then a quality U16's comp in perth with a Perth Bears in Sg Ball and Flegg for WA jnr development, and a NS Bears in HM, SG Ball and Flegg in Sydney. Thatd be a decent development set up imo.
And he’s got the bears junior numbers utterly wrong either because he’s ignorant or a liarFirstly let’s settle this right now - WA juniors with absolutely no pathway cannot be compared to Bears juniors with half a pathway. By pathway I mean directly leading into NRL - by half I mean via. Melbourne Storm and previously via. Roosters as a direct feeder club system.
Secondly the proposed set up I have heard is a Dolphins style system. Meaning there’s a direct link for kids in Sydney and a direct link for kids in WA - all to be funnelled and streamlined into WA/Western/Perth Bears. Whether that’s both juniors systems in NSWRL or split between NSWRL and QRL is yet to be determined. By junior systems I mean junior catchment set up’s and by catchments I mean juniors either on or before Harold Matthews age/grade. Keep in mind that these are very early future junior strategy and pathway discussion - a lot can change and if it does it’ll change to further benefit Western Australia and strength the state as a rugby league territory.
Thirdly the actual “graded” sides - meaning Harold Matt’s, SG Ball, Jersey Flegg, NSW Cup will be based in Perth. But due to the ages of players in HM (kids still in school etc) that grade might be split into 2 sides with one on each coast.
Considering the Bears and the Perth consortium havent even spoken I dont know where all that 'early planning' has come from?Firstly let’s settle this right now - WA juniors with absolutely no pathway cannot be compared to Bears juniors with half a pathway. By pathway I mean directly leading into NRL - by half I mean via. Melbourne Storm and previously via. Roosters as a direct feeder club system.
Secondly the proposed set up I have heard is a Dolphins style system. Meaning there’s a direct link for kids in Sydney and a direct link for kids in WA - all to be funnelled and streamlined into WA/Western/Perth Bears. Whether that’s both juniors systems in NSWRL or split between NSWRL and QRL is yet to be determined. By junior systems I mean junior catchment set up’s and by catchments I mean juniors either on or before Harold Matthews age/grade. Keep in mind that these are very early future junior strategy and pathway discussion - a lot can change and if it does it’ll change to further benefit Western Australia and strength the state as a rugby league territory.
Thirdly the actual “graded” sides - meaning Harold Matt’s, SG Ball, Jersey Flegg, NSW Cup will be based in Perth. But due to the ages of players in HM (kids still in school etc) that grade might be split into 2 sides with one on each coast.
You bears junior numbers are utterly wrongMore jnrs, less investment in turning that number into first graders.
800 jnrs in Bears catchment around 2500 in Perth, 3000 in WA.
Imagine if we had a team for those kids to aspire to and investment to get them there!
What Bears does do though is give us a place where talented youngsters from across NSw can play in top Jnr comps without leaving home
I see no need for a Perth Bears NSw cup team based in Sydney, it should be based in Perth.
Then a quality U16's comp in perth with a Perth Bears in Sg Ball and Flegg for WA jnr development, and a NS Bears in HM, SG Ball and Flegg in Sydney. Thatd be a decent development set up imo.
They’ve had 4/5 meetings since Magic Round 2022 and Bears have been working on their strategic vision for years.Considering the Bears and the Perth consortium havent even spoken I dont know where all that 'early planning' has come from?
Not according to Cumins, they have yet to meet with the Bears.They’ve had 4/5 meetings since Magic Round 2022 and Bears have been working on their strategic vision for years.
Are you naive enough to believe that people are sitting on their asses and waiting until it’s good to go? There’s that much background leg work happening that the general community is not aware of until it’s approved to be leaked or distributed to media.
It’s not tackle and touch you peanut. It’s club registrations. It does not include touch football. Touch football would add easily another 20000. It’s huge in Sydney. Do your homeworkBears 2023 annual report has jnr numbers at 1800 full tackle and touch.
WA jnr number tackle and touch would be around 10,000
Not according to Cumins, they have yet to meet with the Bears.
Well Bears havent been lol They've had plans for NSW regional nomads, Pacfika everybodies and now apparently have the Wa blueprint mapped out.
no your right, its tackle and tag.It’s not tackle and touch you peanut. It’s club registrations. It does not include touch football. Touch football would add easily another 20000. It’s huge in Sydney. Do your homework
I don’t think he is a liar - I just think he is a tad naive on the requirements of how to set up a business and its operations.Perth red is a blatant liar.
What it shows is you are wrong.. And it’s got 20% of perths population so the maths shows that the game is much stronger in North Sydney than Perth.no your right, its tackle and tag.
But still 50% of WA. Clearly numbers isnt the issue for a Perth club, its quality pathways.
If it did happen I can’t imagine Sydney clubs tolerating the bears throwing their weight around in the Sydney market given the congestion already there. They’d expect it to be a WA side first and foremost.This feels like when Wests and Balmain merged. 2 very different sets of supporters and board members bickering over anything.
I have grave doubts about this.
Hopefully, maybe I'm just scarred from going through it with Wests.If it did happen I can’t imagine Sydney clubs tolerating the bears throwing their weight around in the Sydney market given the congestion already there. They’d expect it to be a WA side first and foremost.
the only way it works is a Swans style total relocation where the original club has no say in the running of it.This feels like when Wests and Balmain merged. 2 very different sets of supporters and board members bickering over anything.
I have grave doubts about this.
How is that a fair comparison? Tigers and Wests were two organisations that become one. However never really integrated with eachother properly.This feels like when Wests and Balmain merged. 2 very different sets of supporters and board members bickering over anything.
I have grave doubts about this.