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18th club, whose next?

Steel Saints

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St George were runners up in 92,93,96 (much to my pain) which was a strong performance and helped in the criteria calculations. The JV was about future proofing the club, unfortunately the structure was not (imo) created wisely, leading to the current apathy. It was also presented to us members as au fait accompli and with no vote.
From 1990-1994, the Steelers lowest ladder position was 9th. Then Super League hit in '95. As separate entities, the Dragons and Steelers were more competitive in the early to mid nineties than they are today as a merged club.
 

Wb1234

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From 1990-1994, the Steelers lowest ladder position was 9th. Then Super League hit in '95. As separate entities, the Dragons and Steelers were more competitive in the early to mid nineties than they are today as a merged club.
I remember being kicked out of Steelers leagues club disco back in the 90s when we had literally been in the club ten mins

waves and splashes were big back then also
 

Steel Saints

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I remember being kicked out of Steelers leagues club disco back in the 90s when we had literally been in the club ten mins

waves and splashes were big back then also
I just missed that era where Waves and Splashes were the "go to" nightclubs. When I started to go out, Bourbon Street and Glasshouse Tavern were the "flavour of the month".:eek:

But anyway back on topic, Perth should be number 18th.:p
 
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taipan

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There was a massive push back from WA fans about reds joining SL and news ltd taking ownership of the club. fans walked, local clubs closed and player registrations dropped from 10k to under 1k.
lessons to be Learnt about thinking a Sydney club owning a perth club would work maybe?

no argument there, any bid from perth will need to show strong business case and some substantial asset behind them.
I wish the nrl saw value in investing to grow the game, and had the revenue to do so, but they don’t so any new club wherever they are and if not backed by a pokie den will need to be able give them financial confidence.
Thanks for proving my point.
 

Perth Red

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So let's get this right:
A Perth bid will need extra funding ( let's say 20 million) instead of 15.
They'll need salary cap exemptions ( maybe 15 million) instead of 12.

They have no players of their own.
So essentially They'll be solely surviving on taking clubs best players because they have more money... that the NRL gave them.
So the struggling tigers, Raiders ect stay down the bottom getting flogged by thier own juniors....
EQUALITY.
1. no, no ones said that. And the NRL grant is $17mill plus from this year
2. yes that would be a good thing with a caveat that its to sign players outside the current NRL rosters and for the first 5 years
3. Incorrect, we will have players of our own, eventually. We already produce players with no pathway and no money
4. no not solely, but to some degree yes, like pretty much every club in the NRL does now, including the dolphins
5. Not if they hire a decent coach and build a better club culture
6. Yes. equality over equity.
 

Vee

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NRL expansion: 18th team to secure TV broadcast rights millions​

It’s not a case of if the NRL will add an 18th team - but when. And News Corp can reveal the mind-boggling numbers that have sparked the latest round of expansion talks.

Peter Badel, Brent Read and Michael Carayannis

3 min read
April 4, 2023 - 6:11AM

Broadcast industry sources estimate an 18th NRL team could be worth an extra $375 million in TV rights negotiations.

The estimation comes as the NRL ramps up expansion plans for an 18-team league with ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys revealing a Pasifika franchise is in the frame to enter the Telstra Premiership by 2027. In a landmark moment for rugby league, the NRL is ready to expand their international reach beyond New Zealand, with an 18th club on the ARL Commission’s agenda following the successful birth of the Dolphins in Queensland.

News Corp recently revealed high-level talks for a 20-team competition by the 2032 Olympics and V’landys confirmed the NRL’s strategic plan to issue an 18th licence in the next major growth phase for the sport.

“It’s not a case of if - it’s when we expand,” V’landys told News Corp. “We are always looking at growing the game, so it’s an ongoing process. The success or otherwise (of an 18th franchise) will depend on timing. There is no exact time frame for (more) expansion, but to be honest, it could be earlier than 2027. When the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) is finalised, we will begin our investigations into an 18th team.”

A formal announcement on rugby league’s first $1 billion CBA deal is expected after Easter. Revelations the ARL Commission is eyeing an 18th team will trigger a fresh expansion frenzy as bid consortia from Perth, Pasifika, Papua New Guinea, Brisbane, New Zealand, Adelaide and the North Sydney Bears prepare to fight for NRL inclusion.

V’landys was a driving force in the NRL expanding to 17 teams this season with the addition of the Dolphins in northern Brisbane and the $100 million Redcliffe operation has proven a resounding success. The Dolphins have delivered a TV ratings bonanza - 1.3 million fans watched their round 4 Battle of Brisbane against the Broncos - and that has given the NRL confidence to explore fresh expansion markets.

A historic Pasifika team - with tentacles reaching Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and Papua New Guinea - is now a serious option to be the NRL’s 18th team. The franchise would have a permanent base in Cairns in far north Queensland and be aided by the Australian government, which is prepared to tip in $20-25 million annually in the interests of national security in the Pacific.

The Auckland-based Warriors are the NRL’s only offshore team, but ARL Commissioner Kate Jones believes the Telstra Premiership is ready to expand its international borders and V’landys revealed a Pasifika franchise could be next cab off the rank.

“I can confirm that a Pasifika franchise is the one new team we are going to be looking at very closely,” V’landys said. "I agree 100 per cent with Kate Jones on this. She is a valued commissioner and she is on the mark, a Pasifika team is a genuine option for the 18th team. We have given a commitment to the Australian government - and indeed the Prime Minister (Anthony Albanese) - that we would look at a Pasifika team. We will be meeting our undertaking.”

The NRL’s current broadcast deal with major partners Channel 9, Fox Sports and New Zealand’s Sky TV ends at the end of 2027.


Adding an 18th team would guarantee nine weekly fixtures and the extra game per round would give V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo another crucial bargaining chip when they chase a beefed-up TV rights deal for 2028-32.

TV industry experts believe an 18th club would be worth between $20 million-$75 million per season to the NRL in broadcast dollars. Over a five-year term, that equates to a potential $100m-375m bonanza for an NRL code that has copped brickbats for being outwitted by the AFL in delicate TV rights negotiations.

Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher believes an 18th licence should be awarded to Perth.

The NRL’s greatest coach Wayne Bennett, who has played a key role in setting up the Dolphins, backed V’landys and has no doubt the premiership can sustain an 18th team in the coming seasons.

“If every club starts buying into development, we will have no problem generating enough players for 18 teams,” Bennett said. "We (the Dolphins) have been a good trial for the NRL. I don’t care where the new team goes, but the key is investing in the pathways because if you do that, you will get more quality players into the game in the future. If there is going to be a new club in the next few years, they should announce it in the next six months and give the 18th team a two-or-three-year headway to start building their pathways and be ready for the NRL.”
 

Gobsmacked

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NRL expansion: 18th team to secure TV broadcast rights millions​

It’s not a case of if the NRL will add an 18th team - but when. And News Corp can reveal the mind-boggling numbers that have sparked the latest round of expansion talks.

Peter Badel, Brent Read and Michael Carayannis

3 min read
April 4, 2023 - 6:11AM

Broadcast industry sources estimate an 18th NRL team could be worth an extra $375 million in TV rights negotiations.

The estimation comes as the NRL ramps up expansion plans for an 18-team league with ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys revealing a Pasifika franchise is in the frame to enter the Telstra Premiership by 2027. In a landmark moment for rugby league, the NRL is ready to expand their international reach beyond New Zealand, with an 18th club on the ARL Commission’s agenda following the successful birth of the Dolphins in Queensland.

News Corp recently revealed high-level talks for a 20-team competition by the 2032 Olympics and V’landys confirmed the NRL’s strategic plan to issue an 18th licence in the next major growth phase for the sport.

“It’s not a case of if - it’s when we expand,” V’landys told News Corp. “We are always looking at growing the game, so it’s an ongoing process. The success or otherwise (of an 18th franchise) will depend on timing. There is no exact time frame for (more) expansion, but to be honest, it could be earlier than 2027. When the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) is finalised, we will begin our investigations into an 18th team.”

A formal announcement on rugby league’s first $1 billion CBA deal is expected after Easter. Revelations the ARL Commission is eyeing an 18th team will trigger a fresh expansion frenzy as bid consortia from Perth, Pasifika, Papua New Guinea, Brisbane, New Zealand, Adelaide and the North Sydney Bears prepare to fight for NRL inclusion.

V’landys was a driving force in the NRL expanding to 17 teams this season with the addition of the Dolphins in northern Brisbane and the $100 million Redcliffe operation has proven a resounding success. The Dolphins have delivered a TV ratings bonanza - 1.3 million fans watched their round 4 Battle of Brisbane against the Broncos - and that has given the NRL confidence to explore fresh expansion markets.

A historic Pasifika team - with tentacles reaching Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and Papua New Guinea - is now a serious option to be the NRL’s 18th team. The franchise would have a permanent base in Cairns in far north Queensland and be aided by the Australian government, which is prepared to tip in $20-25 million annually in the interests of national security in the Pacific.

The Auckland-based Warriors are the NRL’s only offshore team, but ARL Commissioner Kate Jones believes the Telstra Premiership is ready to expand its international borders and V’landys revealed a Pasifika franchise could be next cab off the rank.

“I can confirm that a Pasifika franchise is the one new team we are going to be looking at very closely,” V’landys said. "I agree 100 per cent with Kate Jones on this. She is a valued commissioner and she is on the mark, a Pasifika team is a genuine option for the 18th team. We have given a commitment to the Australian government - and indeed the Prime Minister (Anthony Albanese) - that we would look at a Pasifika team. We will be meeting our undertaking.”

The NRL’s current broadcast deal with major partners Channel 9, Fox Sports and New Zealand’s Sky TV ends at the end of 2027.


Adding an 18th team would guarantee nine weekly fixtures and the extra game per round would give V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo another crucial bargaining chip when they chase a beefed-up TV rights deal for 2028-32.

TV industry experts believe an 18th club would be worth between $20 million-$75 million per season to the NRL in broadcast dollars. Over a five-year term, that equates to a potential $100m-375m bonanza for an NRL code that has copped brickbats for being outwitted by the AFL in delicate TV rights negotiations.

Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher believes an 18th licence should be awarded to Perth.

The NRL’s greatest coach Wayne Bennett, who has played a key role in setting up the Dolphins, backed V’landys and has no doubt the premiership can sustain an 18th team in the coming seasons.

“If every club starts buying into development, we will have no problem generating enough players for 18 teams,” Bennett said. "We (the Dolphins) have been a good trial for the NRL. I don’t care where the new team goes, but the key is investing in the pathways because if you do that, you will get more quality players into the game in the future. If there is going to be a new club in the next few years, they should announce it in the next six months and give the 18th team a two-or-three-year headway to start building their pathways and be ready for the NRL.”
That was interesting what they said about Perth 🤔
It's almost all the hype around Perth came from 1 poster who chased out any opposition to the idea and formed some kind of echo chamber..🤔
 

Colk

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That was interesting what they said about Perth 🤔
It's almost all the hype around Perth came from 1 poster who chased out any opposition to the idea and formed some kind of echo chamber..🤔

You do realise that the next side isn’t coming from New Zealand as well?
 

The Great Dane

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NRL expansion: 18th team to secure TV broadcast rights millions​

It’s not a case of if the NRL will add an 18th team - but when. And News Corp can reveal the mind-boggling numbers that have sparked the latest round of expansion talks.

Peter Badel, Brent Read and Michael Carayannis

3 min read
April 4, 2023 - 6:11AM

Broadcast industry sources estimate an 18th NRL team could be worth an extra $375 million in TV rights negotiations.

The estimation comes as the NRL ramps up expansion plans for an 18-team league with ARL Commission boss Peter V’landys revealing a Pasifika franchise is in the frame to enter the Telstra Premiership by 2027. In a landmark moment for rugby league, the NRL is ready to expand their international reach beyond New Zealand, with an 18th club on the ARL Commission’s agenda following the successful birth of the Dolphins in Queensland.

News Corp recently revealed high-level talks for a 20-team competition by the 2032 Olympics and V’landys confirmed the NRL’s strategic plan to issue an 18th licence in the next major growth phase for the sport.

“It’s not a case of if - it’s when we expand,” V’landys told News Corp. “We are always looking at growing the game, so it’s an ongoing process. The success or otherwise (of an 18th franchise) will depend on timing. There is no exact time frame for (more) expansion, but to be honest, it could be earlier than 2027. When the CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) is finalised, we will begin our investigations into an 18th team.”

A formal announcement on rugby league’s first $1 billion CBA deal is expected after Easter. Revelations the ARL Commission is eyeing an 18th team will trigger a fresh expansion frenzy as bid consortia from Perth, Pasifika, Papua New Guinea, Brisbane, New Zealand, Adelaide and the North Sydney Bears prepare to fight for NRL inclusion.

V’landys was a driving force in the NRL expanding to 17 teams this season with the addition of the Dolphins in northern Brisbane and the $100 million Redcliffe operation has proven a resounding success. The Dolphins have delivered a TV ratings bonanza - 1.3 million fans watched their round 4 Battle of Brisbane against the Broncos - and that has given the NRL confidence to explore fresh expansion markets.

A historic Pasifika team - with tentacles reaching Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and Papua New Guinea - is now a serious option to be the NRL’s 18th team. The franchise would have a permanent base in Cairns in far north Queensland and be aided by the Australian government, which is prepared to tip in $20-25 million annually in the interests of national security in the Pacific.

The Auckland-based Warriors are the NRL’s only offshore team, but ARL Commissioner Kate Jones believes the Telstra Premiership is ready to expand its international borders and V’landys revealed a Pasifika franchise could be next cab off the rank.

“I can confirm that a Pasifika franchise is the one new team we are going to be looking at very closely,” V’landys said. "I agree 100 per cent with Kate Jones on this. She is a valued commissioner and she is on the mark, a Pasifika team is a genuine option for the 18th team. We have given a commitment to the Australian government - and indeed the Prime Minister (Anthony Albanese) - that we would look at a Pasifika team. We will be meeting our undertaking.”

The NRL’s current broadcast deal with major partners Channel 9, Fox Sports and New Zealand’s Sky TV ends at the end of 2027.


Adding an 18th team would guarantee nine weekly fixtures and the extra game per round would give V’landys and NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo another crucial bargaining chip when they chase a beefed-up TV rights deal for 2028-32.

TV industry experts believe an 18th club would be worth between $20 million-$75 million per season to the NRL in broadcast dollars. Over a five-year term, that equates to a potential $100m-375m bonanza for an NRL code that has copped brickbats for being outwitted by the AFL in delicate TV rights negotiations.

Queensland Rugby League chairman Bruce Hatcher believes an 18th licence should be awarded to Perth.

The NRL’s greatest coach Wayne Bennett, who has played a key role in setting up the Dolphins, backed V’landys and has no doubt the premiership can sustain an 18th team in the coming seasons.

“If every club starts buying into development, we will have no problem generating enough players for 18 teams,” Bennett said. "We (the Dolphins) have been a good trial for the NRL. I don’t care where the new team goes, but the key is investing in the pathways because if you do that, you will get more quality players into the game in the future. If there is going to be a new club in the next few years, they should announce it in the next six months and give the 18th team a two-or-three-year headway to start building their pathways and be ready for the NRL.”
A "Pasifika" side will do very little to spread the sport's reach internationally or impact China's influence in the Pacific. I imagine that it'll be very popular with ignorant and bigoted people here in Australia and NZ though.

It's honestly crazy that the NRL, PVL, Kate Jones, and apparently Labour government, are openly exploring the idea of using race baiting as a marketing tool for their football business and political aspirations. It's also an insult to the people of the Pacific Islands to treat them as a single amorphous group rather than the collection of individual cultures and nations that they are in reality.

Shit like this being allowed back into polite society is disgusting, and the hypocrisy of the people doing it is galling.
 

Colk

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It might if a bid comes out of the woodwork

His point was hypocritical. It is also not very likely, same as Perth, according to that article. It looks the Pasifika idea, subject to any massive changes, will get the go ahead
 

Wb1234

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His point was hypocritical. It is also not very likely, same as Perth, according to that article. It looks the Pasifika idea, subject to any massive changes, will get the go ahead
Maybe still think there’s a lot of jockeying before this is done

vlandys only said png was a potential

we don’t know what the wa govt will do in reply

the competition will force any bidders to offer more

I want png or nz2 but Perth has its own unique advantages too
 

Colk

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A "Pasifika" side will do very little to spread the sport's reach internationally or impact China's influence in the Pacific. I imagine that it'll be very popular with ignorant and bigoted people here in Australia and NZ though.

It's honestly crazy that the NRL, PVL, Kate Jones, and apparently Labour government, are openly exploring the idea of using race baiting as a marketing tool for their football business and political aspirations. It's also an insult to the people of the Pacific Islands to treat them as a single amorphous group rather than the collection of individual cultures and nations that they are in reality.

Shit like this being allowed back into polite society is disgusting, and the hypocrisy of the people doing it is galling.

Well beyond this and the idea of trying to market a team to completely different cultures, how would it work logistically?
 
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