18th club, whose next?

[titoelcolombiano]

Nice thought but in all honesty how long do you think it will be before we realistically have a club in Adelaide, let alone 2 in perth and melbourne? They are decades, and possibly too far, ahead of us for a very long time Id suggest. 2025 the pain only gets worse.

We don't need two teams in both Melbourne and Perth to have a national footprint, one in each is fine. Adelaide is probably a long way off but is more than offset by our presence in Auckland

 

[Colk]

“If we want to compete with the AFL, we have to be truly national and be representative in every state”

The meaning of that statement is pretty clear. In order to compete with fumbleball commercially, it is his belief that rugby league needs to become a national competition. Clear cut. Whether that means TV or whether he is including other aspects such as sponsors etc is beside the point.

People can simply disagree with what was said.

For example, I would argue that there other factors at play: the game’s relatively poor negotiation skills being the biggest.

 

[Colk]

We don't need two teams in both Melbourne and Perth to have a national footprint, one in each is fine. Adelaide is probably a long way off but is more than offset by our presence in Auckland

2 teams in Perth is a bit much; at least in the foreseeable future. One team would be fine.

I could potentially see two teams in Melbourne down the track; particularly if the population gets to 7 or 8 million as predicted.

 

[Wb1234]

Haha, yeh of course he didnt include tv in his thinking of how nrl can match afl reveneue, I mean it’s only pays the lions share. doh.

So using that logic the nrl should be adding clubs that tv value the most since they provide the lions share of revenue

“If we want to compete with the AFL, we have to be truly national and be representative in every state”

The meaning of that statement is pretty clear. In order to compete with fumbleball commercially, it is his belief that rugby league needs to become a national competition. Clear cut. Whether that means TV or whether he is including other aspects such as sponsors etc is beside the point.

People can simply disagree with what was said.

For example, I would argue that there other factors at play: the game’s relatively poor negotiation skills being the biggest.

I don’t really agree with that

we could ignore Perth and Adelaide and still have bigger tv deals than afl

it’s nonsense to think two smallish clubs from those states will all of a sudden bridge the gap

we could add two more clubs from Brisbane, png and nz2 and we would be light years ahead of afl

Perth or Adelaide will never add to the comp like the dolphins (or more brisbane teams) will

 

[Pippen94]

“If we want to compete with the AFL, we have to be truly national and be representative in every state”

The meaning of that statement is pretty clear. In order to compete with fumbleball commercially, it is his belief that rugby league needs to become a national competition. Clear cut. Whether that means TV or whether he is including other aspects such as sponsors etc is beside the point.

People can simply disagree with what was said.

For example, I would argue that there other factors at play: the game’s relatively poor negotiation skills being the biggest.

That has nothing to do with anything

 

[Colk]

That has nothing to do with anything

What has nothing to do with anything?

 

[Pippen94]

What has nothing to do with anything?

Anything ur saying

 

[Colk]

So using that logic the nrl should be adding clubs that tv value the most since they provide the lions share of revenue

I don’t really agree with that

we could ignore Perth and Adelaide and still have bigger tv deals than afl

it’s nonsense to think two smallish clubs from those states will all of a sudden bridge the gap

we could add two more clubs from Brisbane, png and nz2 and we would be light years ahead of afl

Perth or Adelaide will never add to the comp like the dolphins (or more brisbane teams) will

Well played. That is actually debating the statement made.

I think we should be doing both by the way - expanding into new Australian and international markets.

We are probably too far behind fumbleball in Australia and union in NZ (in terms of money) but we could create something that either don’t have - a strong multi national competition.

 

[Colk]

Anything ur saying

Very mature as always. Instead of creating arguments (as is your want) how about debate what was actually said.

What do you think Politis meant by that statement and if you disagree with the statement, then state your argument

 

[Pippen94]

Very mature as always. Instead of creating arguments (as is your want) how about debate what was actually said.

What do you think Politis meant by that statement and if you disagree with the statement, then state your argument

He was speaking broadly & didn't mention TV deals. If having teams in Perth & Adelaide were so important for tv, then broadcasters would be pushing for them. Instead we know they want more in south east qld.

 

[Colk]

He was speaking broadly & didn't mention TV deals. If having teams in Perth & Adelaide were so important for tv, then broadcasters would be pushing for them. Instead we know they want more in south east qld.

Speaking broadly was he? You’re avoiding the first question.

What does he mean by (paraphrasing) in order to compete with the AFL we need a national competition. If it’s not in relation to TV money or in some other commercial sense, why do we need a national competition in order to compete with them?

Fair enough on the second point. Channel Nine probably do want another side in QLD. Frankly, though, personally the thoughts or inclinations of Channel Nine should be the last on the list of reasons to go to a specific location; particularly considering their overall lack of support. So I’ll disagree with your reasoning.

 

[Pippen94]

Speaking broadly was he? You’re avoiding the first question.

What does he mean by (paraphrasing) in order to compete with the AFL we need a national competition. If it’s not in relation to TV money or in some other commercial sense, why do we need a national competition in order to compete with them?

Fair enough on the second point. Channel Nine probably do want another side in QLD. Frankly, though, personally the thoughts or inclinations of Channel Nine should be the last on the list of reasons to go to a specific location; particularly considering their overall lack of support. So I’ll disagree with your reasoning.

It doesn't matter what u think. Broadcasting rights paid by broadcasters.

 

[Colk]

It doesn't matter what u think. Broadcasting rights paid by broadcasters.

Haha that’s very funny. So I’ll presume now you clearly know what he meant and you’ve spent the whole day trying to paint the statement in a different light for an unknown reason - well probably because you just wanted to argue with the Perth dude . Sorry if I am speaking broadly on the matter.

They may or they may not. I don’t predict the future. I’ll say that the NRL is an independent body (last time I checked) and just because a broadcaster may want something doesn’t mean that they should get it - particularly if that same broadcaster didn’t pay for the last Brisbane club. Fox did but 9 didn’t before you reply.

 

[Pippen94]

Haha that’s very funny. So I’ll presume now you clearly know what he meant and you’ve spent the whole day trying to paint the statement in a different light for an unknown reason - well probably because you just wanted to argue with the Perth dude . Sorry if I am speaking broadly on the matter.

They may or they may not. I don’t predict the future. I’ll say that the NRL is an independent body (last time I checked) and just because a broadcaster may want something doesn’t mean that they should get it - particularly if that same broadcaster didn’t pay for the last Brisbane club. Fox did but 9 didn’t before you reply.

It sh!ts on perth red's theory that afl gets more TV money because they have 5 metros covered.

He's running around stating that as fact. Demos & timing of TV deals far more important

 

[Wb1234]

Well played. That is actually debating the statement made.

I think we should be doing both by the way - expanding into new Australian and international markets.

We are probably too far behind fumbleball in Australia and union in NZ (in terms of money) but we could create something that either don’t have - a strong multi national competition.

Patience

with a 20 team comp on the horizon we can finally surpass afl financially and yes one of those teams will be perth

I genuinely believe if the nrl wants to take over nz it can. Union just can’t compete financially with the nrl

now that they are expanding properly ten or twnety years down the track those expansion sides will be paying off for us

since the super league war I’ve never felt as comfortable with the future of rugby league

International expansion is where the big growth is (nz pacific png)

 

[Colk]

It sh!ts on perth red's theory that afl gets more TV money because they have 5 metros covered.

He's running around stating that as fact. Demos & timing of TV deals far more important

Does it really shit on his position?

It’s obviously not the only factor but I would argue; balanced on probability and history, a national competition hasn’t hurt them in their goal of getting more money.

It is not like sport as a business, is something where you apply a great market segmentation principle like you would for a luxury item such as a boat, sports car or something that is age or gender specific i.e. baby clothes or a feminine hygiene product. TV and sport is clearly accessible and can be consumed by potentially everybody. You simply try and market yourself to the most amount of people as possible.

On your timing of TV deal and demo argument, they clearly, at the very least, just have far better negotiation skills than our game, not just in TV but in getting funding for stadiums and other commercial arrangements. If it was by chance or fortune, as you suggest, than their TV and stadium deals wouldn’t have been continually better than ours for the last twenty odd years, at least on any reasonable degree of probability.

Also, that last statement isn’t to suggest that they are brilliant in any way. They have their problems or poorly managed aspects. They are just better at negotiating than us.

 

[Colk]

Patience

with a 20 team comp on the horizon we can finally surpass afl financially and yes one of those teams will be perth

I genuinely believe if the nrl wants to take over nz it can. Union just can’t compete financially with the nrl

now that they are expanding properly ten or twnety years down the track those expansion sides will be paying off for us

since the super league war I’ve never felt as comfortable with the future of rugby league

International expansion is where the big growth is (nz pacific png)

I think we are in a far better spot also. Nevertheless, I don’t think there is a great deal of potential in us beating them on a revenue basis.

That’s neither her nor there though as they are mutually exclusive things.

 

[Perth Red]

That nobody who knows anything about TV has said anything which backs up what ur saying. In fact broadcasters have said there should be more south east qld teams.

What do you think politis meant?

 

[Colk]

What do you think politis meant?

He was speaking broadly. Apparently.

 

[AdelaideRLFC]

We don't need a third Brisbane team before an Adelaide, Perth and Tasmanian franchise.