18th team will be logan ipswich

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

it's funny the people who say that "Dots on a map" isn't a good strategy for expansion but then apply the same dots on a map idea to a much smaller area in SEQLD. The whole region is connected, the Titans were opposed to the Dolphins coming in even though they are far opposite sides on the Brisbane river. Wherever you put a team in SEQLD it is still a drain on local talent and sponsors.

SEQ has a larger population than the Perth metropolitan area. The Brisbane metropolitan area itself is bigger than metropolitan Perth.

The combined population of Logan and Ipswich is about one-fourth the size of the Perth metropolitan area. I don't think we'll get a team called Ipswich-Logan as there's not enough money in the region to make the club viable. The best we can hope for is a licence to be awarded to the Easts Tigers in the 2030s or 2040s with the goal of representing southern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands.

Broncos can incorporate Ipswich under their footprint. Let the entire West be Broncos territory.

 

[Pippen94]

SEQ has a larger population than the Perth metropolitan area. The Brisbane metropolitan area itself is bigger than metropolitan Perth.

The combined population of Logan and Ipswich is about one-fourth the size of the Perth metropolitan area. I don't think we'll get a team called Ipswich-Logan as there's not enough money in the region to make the club viable. The best we can hope for is a licence to be awarded to the Easts Tigers in the 2030s or 2040s with the goal of representing southern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands.

Broncos can incorporate Ipswich under their footprint. Let the entire West be Broncos territory.

Lots of advertisers want to reach bulging middle class. Lions already shifted based to Springfield.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You know Ipswich has it's own long history in game & doesn't need to co-op nswrl history?!

He doesn't give a f**k about RL outside of Sydney.

 

[Pippen94]

He doesn't give a f**k about RL outside of Sydney.

Ipswich jersey has been green for long time

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

yeah true, the Broncos being a juggernaut of Aussie sports playing out of a world class 52k stadium is a bad look , we need SEQLD to have 5 Cronulla Sharks playing out of cow paddocks.

The Sharks are only in the NRL due to good fortune.

1. They were introduced into the Sydney suburban competition in 1967 to weaken the St George Dragons' stranglehold on the NSWRL.

2. The NSWRL became the de facto national competition in 1988 because NSW was the only state in Australia that allowed gaming machines in licenced venues.

3. The club jumped to Super League in 1995.

4. They club was able to acquire land with money generated from people playing gaming machines in their Leagues. They were able to sell this land to a developer to bail themselves out of debt.​

Take one of these scenarios out of the equation and the club wouldn't exist.

 

[Canard]

The Sharks are only in the NRL due to good fortune.

1. They were introduced into the Sydney suburban competition in 1967 to weaken the St George Dragons' stranglehold on the NSWRL.

2. The NSWRL became the de facto national competition in 1988 because NSW was the only state in Australia that allowed gaming machines in licenced venues.

3. The club jumped to Super League in 1995.

4. They club was able to acquire land with money generated from people playing gaming machines in their Leagues. They were able to sell this land to a developer to bail themselves out of debt.​

Take one of these scenarios out of the equation and the club wouldn't exist.

That certainly is a list.

My favourite being the one that says without them being admitted to the comp, they wouldn't exist.

That's genius level stuff.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That certainly is a list.

My favourite being the one that says without them being admitted to the comp, they wouldn't exist.

That's genius level stuff.

My original point was that their admission to the NSWRFL was to weaken the unstoppable Dragons. There wqs never been a need for a club from Sutherland in the NSWRL. There certainly was no need for them in the ARL or NRL. But like usual, you take my posts out of context because you're a troll and you offer nothing to the discussion.

I'll repeat that the competition they were admitted to in 1967 was the NSWRFL you dyslexic dickhead. It was a suburban Sydney competition in those days.

The NRL didn't start until 1998 and has always been totally independent of the NSWRL. The NSWRL passed control of the competition to the ARL in 1995.

Are you too stupid to understand this?

I am starting to suspect you are too dumb understand the difference. The other day your incorrectly said the Cowboys recruited players with ARL experience. That's quite miraculous considering the inaugural ARL season coincided with the Cowboys' debut!

I'll add that if the Sharks didn't join Super League and the Dragons did then there's a good chance that Cronulla wouldn't have made the cut in 2000.

Shame on @Colk for going along with your puerile bullshit.

 

[Colk]

They were introduced to the NSWRFL in 1967 you dyslexic dickhead.

It was a suburban Sydney competition in those days.

The NRL didn't start until 1998 and has always been totally independent of the NSWRL. The ARL took control of the premiership in 1995.

Are you too stupid to understand this?

If the Sharks didn't join Super League and the Dragons didn't side with the ARL then there's a good chance that Cronulla wouldn't have made the cut in 2000.

My original point was that their admission in the NSWRFL was specifcally to weakening the Dragons. There has never been a need for a club from Sutherland in the NSWRL, ARL or NRL. But like usual, you take my posts out of context because you're a troll.who offers nothing to the discussion.

Shame on @Colk for going along with your puerile bullshit.

I agree that they are fortunate to be in the competition however they are in the competition. That’s indisputable.

If they fold, they fold, if they don’t, they don’t.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree that they are fortunate to be in the competition however they are in the competition. That’s indisputable.

If they fold, they fold, if they don’t, they don’t.

It doesn't change the fact that their existence has made St George weaker. Instead of having a mighty St George Dragons representing all of Southern Sydney we have two smallish clubs in the region struggling for survival and relevance. It's not good business and it is holding the game back. Our game would be so much stronger if one of these clubs relocated interstate. Both clubs would be stronger if one took the plunge and shifted to Adelaide or Perth.

 

[Colk]

It doesn't change the fact that their existence has made St George weaker. Instead of having a mighty St George Dragons representing all of Southern Sydney we have two smallish clubs in the region struggling for survival and relevance. It's not good business and it is holding the game back. Our game would be so much stronger if one of these clubs relocated interstate. Both clubs would be stronger if one took the plunge and shifted to Adelaide or Perth.

I agree. I could say the same thing with Norths-Manly. The Sydney competition was designed terribly; although in saying that they would never envisioned the need for a national competition at the time.

I think the market will inevitably dictate things. If two teams can’t survive there then the market will dictate that and one will go or relocate etc. Same as I think that there will be teams in Perth and Adelaide eventually. The market will dictate the need for it.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree. I could say the same thing with Norths-Manly. The Sydney competition was designed terribly; although in saying that they would never envisioned the need for a national competition at the time.

I think the market will inevitably dictate things. If two teams can’t survive there then the market will dictate that and one will go or relocate etc. Same as I think that there will be teams in Perth and Adelaide eventually. The market will dictate the need for it.

I don't share your optimism. What we've seen since the ARLC was created in 2012 is the Sydney clubs vote as a block to secure more funding from the governing body to make up for their inability to generate sufficient revenue from football operations. This has allowed teams like Manly and Cronulla to survive despite the market rejecting them.

Those same Sydney clubs are against expansion because they don't want to share the spoils with another party.

The problem is the ARLC was set up to allow the clubs to have unparalleled control over the game's administration. The clubs knew what they were doing when they demanded a seat at the table. They were looking out for themselves and couldn't give a f**k about the NSWRL, QRL, WARL or expansion.

 

[Colk]

I don't share your optimism. What we've seen since the ARLC was created in 2012 is the Sydney clubs vote as a block to secure more funding from the governing body to make up for their inability to generate sufficient revenue from football operations. This has allowed teams like Manly and Cronulla to survive despite the market rejecting them.

Those same Sydney clubs are against expansion because they don't want to share the spoils with another party.

The problem is the ARLC was set up to allow the clubs to have unparalleled control over the game's administration. The clubs knew what they were doing when they demanded a seat at the table. They were looking out for themselves and couldn't give a f**k about the NSWRL, QRL, WARL or expansion.

I get your sentiment; however, people can’t swim against the tide forever.

People are inherently conservative yes but outside forces change people’s perceptions. That can be seen throughout history and money and financial opportunities will change their viewpoints I think.

 

[Canard]

My original point was that their admission to the NSWRFL was to weaken the unstoppable Dragons. There wqs never been a need for a club from Sutherland in the NSWRL. There certainly was no need for them in the ARL or NRL. But like usual, you take my posts out of context because you're a troll and you offer nothing to the discussion.

I'll repeat that the competition they were admitted to in 1967 was the NSWRFL you dyslexic dickhead. It was a suburban Sydney competition in those days.

The NRL didn't start until 1998 and has always been totally independent of the NSWRL. The NSWRL passed control of the competition to the ARL in 1995.

Are you too stupid to understand this?

I am starting to suspect you are too dumb understand the difference. The other day your incorrectly said the Cowboys recruited players with ARL experience. That's quite miraculous considering the inaugural ARL season coincided with the Cowboys' debut!

I'll add that if the Sharks didn't join Super League and the Dragons did then there's a good chance that Cronulla wouldn't have made the cut in 2000.

Shame on @Colk for going along with your puerile bullshit.

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[mongoose]

SEQ has a larger population than the Perth metropolitan area. The Brisbane metropolitan area itself is bigger than metropolitan Perth.

The combined population of Logan and Ipswich is about one-fourth the size of the Perth metropolitan area. I don't think we'll get a team called Ipswich-Logan as there's not enough money in the region to make the club viable. The best we can hope for is a licence to be awarded to the Easts Tigers in the 2030s or 2040s with the goal of representing southern Brisbane, Logan and Redlands.

Broncos can incorporate Ipswich under their footprint. Let the entire West be Broncos territory.

SEQLD won't get another team until after the Brisbane Olympics but who knows what the NRL will look like then.... In the immediate future though the Broncos, Titans and Dolphins will be very strongly against another team in their region.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree. I could say the same thing with Norths-Manly. The Sydney competition was designed terribly; although in saying that they would never envisioned the need for a national competition at the time.

I think the market will inevitably dictate things. If two teams can’t survive there then the market will dictate that and one will go or relocate etc. Same as I think that there will be teams in Perth and Adelaide eventually. The market will dictate the need for it.

There's too much self-interest and delusions of grandeur within the Sydney RL landscape to do what needs to be done.

We've got the North Sydney Bears demanding a spot in the NRL as a Sydney club despite the market and administration telling them there's no room for them. They have a golden opportunity to re-enter the NRL by relocating to Adelaide and Perth, but they won't take it because they think they're entitled to come back as the North Sydney Bears and play out of North Sydney Oval.

If a team that hasn't played in the NRL since 1999 won't accept the realities of the market then there's f**k-all chance of St George or Cronulla getting a clue.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

SEQLD won't get another team until after the Brisbane Olympics but who knows what the NRL will look like then.... In the immediate future though the Broncos, Titans and Dolphins will be very strongly against another team in their region.

I don't doubt that the SEQ clubs will be against another Brisbane club. However, their opposition won't mean shit if the Easts Tigers are the only "safe" bid for the 18th licence.

Our game doesn't fund expansion and will select the option that pays for itself. At this stage the only bid that has the means to guarantee it won't fall on hard times is the Easts Tigers because they have a pokie den and the right infrastructure.

Abdo said Brisbane 3 is a chance of getting the 18th licence.

 

[flippikat]

Both clubs would be stronger if one took the plunge and shifted to Adelaide or Perth.

Yup. There's the crux of the issue there.

The Sharks are an isolated enclave, keeping the Dragons from being a super-regional club that covers the Illawarra region AND Southern Sydney.

Moving one (and to be honest, most straightforward would probably be the Sharks, as the Dragons are closest to being that super-regional club) would de-clutter Sydney a bit AND enable expansion without having to increase the competition size.

A move to Adelaide (for example) means we could have the current 17 teams - with the Adelaide Sharks as one of them - plus Perth, NZ2 & Brisbane 3 in a reasonable 20 team footprint.

 

[Pippen94]

I don't doubt that the SEQ clubs will be against another Brisbane club. However, their opposition won't mean shit if the Easts Tigers are the only "safe" bid for the 18th licence.

Our game doesn't fund expansion and will select the option that pays for itself. At this stage the only bid that has the means to guarantee it won't fall on hard times is the Easts Tigers because they have a pokie den and the right infrastructure.

Abdo said Brisbane 3 is a chance of getting the 18th licence.

It will be easts jets merger

 

[Pippen94]

SEQLD won't get another team until after the Brisbane Olympics but who knows what the NRL will look like then.... In the immediate future though the Broncos, Titans and Dolphins will be very strongly against another team in their region.

Ppl were saying Perth were odds on for 17th team. Need a viable backer & juniors. Only bris3 has that