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1st Ashes Test: Australia v England @ Gabba Dec 8-12, 2021

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Meth

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Stokes is like the Sean Johnson of cricket circa 2011. Capable of doing amazing things and occasionally does them. Enjoys an inflated reputation on account of occasionally showing up while being otherwise mediocre to good.
 

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Stokes is like the Sean Johnson of cricket circa 2011. Capable of doing amazing things and occasionally does them. Enjoys an inflated reputation on account of occasionally showing up while being otherwise mediocre to good.
harsh - for an all-rounder his record is terrific - whether he should be batting 5 is a reasonable question...

And he's a Kiwi, his old man died a year ago, I reckon he'll be pretty focused
 

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Averages 37 with the bat. The way everyone talks about him, you'd think he'd be higher than that
 

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Averages 37 with the bat. The way everyone talks about him, you'd think he'd be higher than that
sure, but he certainly plays in the big moments, his bowling record is surprisingly good - as an all-rounder that is an outstanding record
 

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What England need to do is dictate terms, they've been too passive, not busy enough... need a busy player with positive body language
 

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Yep - I think if you view Stokes mainly as a #5 bat, then yeah I agree... but as an all-rounder who probably should be batting 6, he's terrific imo

I guess I'm a little cynical about allrounders in general, when they're not good enough to make the team for their batting or bowling respectively. Now, Stokes is, no doubt. I'm just not so sure he's earned the reverence he gets.
 
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