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1st ODI NZ v Australia 3 Feb 2016: Eden Park Auckland

ANTiLAG

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Usi for S Marsh

Watto for M Marsh...mean that, bat at six, throw the pies that get people out.

What I find sad is that you need to write that.

I have never understood the lack of love and unfair criticism Watson has received for his pyjama cricket skills.

9 ODI tons, 1 T20 ton, averages 40 in ODI at a SR of 90, and an ER of 4.95 at a bowling average of 31. His T20I numbers are equally as impressive.

He is a terrifically good ODI cricketer. He basically won Australia the 2009 Champions Trophy.
 
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ANTiLAG

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Stop playing on roads and they might bat a bit better consistently. Smiths back lift comes down like an ax mans chop. A millimetre of inwards seam and he has nowhere to go. Some of the dismissals struck me as arrogant and showed fundamental flaw in technique. They'll be much better for game two.

NZ commentators are making his technique a subject point for this series.
 

Mr Angry

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Well I have been a critic of Watto...that is all.

Should have always batted 6. M Marsh is not good enough for 6.

Someone will come. Til then give Watto a run I say.
 

JJ

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Ben Smith NZ A next test opener

Tom Ford CD [edit] Tom Bruce - new guy with Will Young. Big wraps. Broke fastest 50 in Ford trophy final.

No I mean Tom Ford, left out Will Young deliberately.

The way things are Leopard and Philips may overtake em before they get a shot

Nah, Will Young is the goods, that CD side has some really good talent

That U19 team was poorly selected imo, on no planet are some of those kids better than Mitch Murray - just from the Auckland kids Dale Phillips and Aniket Parikh are decent, but Mitch Murray is up there with Glenn Phillips

That was a good win - Australia throw in some real shockers away - hope they're watering the test wickets
 

some11

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This is what you get when CA schedules WI and India for the summer.

Come up against a half decent side and get smacked, oh yeah keep selecting the darshs please.
 

ANTiLAG

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Nah, Will Young is the goods, that CD side has some really good talent

That U19 team was poorly selected imo, on no planet are some of those kids better than Mitch Murray - just from the Auckland kids Dale Phillips and Aniket Parikh are decent, but Mitch Murray is up there with Glenn Phillips

That was a good win - Australia throw in some real shockers away - hope they're watering the test wickets

That CD side has rebuilt impressively fast. Recruiting Ryder helps, but Smith and Young developing well. Worker has a lot of work to do on increasing his scoring shot selection before I can take him seriously as a successful international prospect again. Regardless of how many tons he scores at Pukekura park. Someone is doing a more than useful job in advancing Doug B and Adam Milne's batting. I don't know if that is at CD or at national level.

But as I said, I prefer Tom Bruce for the side I listed. He has come out of next to nowhere at 23/24 (no national u19 experience) and has been outshining Will Young who has been in the NZA spotlight for a little while.

Young may be a more solid scorer, but with Smith, Watling, Latham, Taylor in that side, a bit of pizazz in the form Ryder or Bruce to go with Munro seems more balanced to me for modern ODI cricket. With Neesham and Bracewell to follow, it is an affordable luxury. And it is nice to get one back from rugby.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/sport/9329484/Making-runs-beats-try-scoring-for-Tom-Bruce
 
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vvvrulz

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Finally finished the recording.

Fantastic result NZ, again a touch bittersweet though as Australia really made a meal of it in ideal batting conditions.

Our top order is carrying our batting.
We still don't know the craft of building an innings, it's all very slog or nothing.
Elliott still shaky, Ronchi horrible. Luckily Santner kept his head. Nicholls impressive.
Anderson continues to annoy me, he'll come off sometimes but he's otherwise very ordinary.

Right now Henry is our spearhead, easily our best bowler.
Boult much better today but still at half power.
The rest are suspect, Edward and FaulknerTheFinisher showed how easily they can be put away.

A great win, enjoy it, but don't expect it to be that easy next time.
 

ANTiLAG

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Finally finished the recording.

Fantastic result NZ, again a touch bittersweet though as Australia really made a meal of it in ideal batting conditions.

Our top order is carrying our batting.
We still don't know the craft of building an innings, it's all very slog or nothing.
Elliott still shaky, Ronchi horrible. Luckily Santner kept his head. Nicholls impressive.
Anderson continues to annoy me, he'll come off sometimes but he's otherwise very ordinary.

Right now Henry is our spearhead, easily our best bowler.
Boult much better today but still at half power.
The rest are suspect, Edward and FaulknerTheFinisher showed how easily they can be put away.

A great win, enjoy it, but don't expect it to be that easy next time.

I like you as a poster. But I now ask that you look at the scorecard, because Elliot bowled one over for 7 runs, Anderson 4 overs for 14 runs and a wicket, and Santner two ball for two wickets. Milne was the only "suspect" rest, and given his career economy, and that match situation and score, is in no danger of being called suspect. He is having a good summer and is improving. He also got Faulkner's top of off stump.

I fear people expect too much from allrounders Anderson and Santner. Even Elliot too for that matter. NZ bat deep. Santner bats 8. It is a deliberate plan. Santner is a bowling liability that is a very long term prospect that NZC is going to invest in. I like NZ having an all rounder beung developed at #8. Anderson's record is excellent averaging 34 with a 120 sr to go with his 6 run an over bowling while nabbing wickets every 4 overs. He is not playing a Ross Taylor role, nor a Trent Boult role. Typically, and more or less ideally, he bats and bowls at the business end of an innings. (Although KW may use his bowling earlier than BMac does).

Elliot is in credit for his spot in the team and has declared he wants to play until next world cup 3 years away. Munro, Latham and Nicholls will fight their way in with BMacs retirement and Ronchi's dropping before Grunter gets sacked. His bowling against Pakistan alone was huge.

Santner frustrated me with his batting today, but after watching Aus bat- his innings on that pitch was not shabby for a work in progress.

Santner's bowling will get smashed this year, be it by Australia or in India. But until something better comes aling, NZC are invested in him for limited overs, and maybe tests, too. I am not averse to NZ investing in him thus far in limited overs. His T20 match against Pakistan showed potential to apply the brakes. And Grunter helps ballance the risk of Santner being smashed. His batting average is looking healthy, too. With a good SR.

A team of

1 McCullum/Latham
2 Guptill
3 Williamson
4 Taylor
5 Nicholls
6 Watling/Ronchi
7 Milne
8 Henry
9 McCleanahan
10 Southee
11 Boult

Is not as good as the team with the all rounders in it. Not to mention - fails to rotate the seam bowlers which leads to Tim and Trent getting injured otherwise - and maybe Mitch and Henry too. The over rate would probably be shocking too. But if you look at the future tours programme, NZ have a full India tour of 3 tests and 5 ODIs in October. Come home for a 2 test series against Pakistan immediately. Then play 2 tests, 3 ODIs and 2 T20 Is against Bangladesh over Christmas. Then a 2 week tour of Australia for 3 ODI and 3 T20 games in Feb. Then come home to play South Africa in 3 tests, 5 ODIs and a T20. Which finishes just in time for the IPL. I feel for Hesson and Larsen, because how do they prioritse which tours? Bangladesh seems an obvious rotation time but it is the NZ Christmas' holidays cricket showcase to get good crowds and high TV ratings locally. South Africa in March will clash with super rugby most likely. We will want to show class in India because we need to impress them to get them to want to play full tours in NZ because that pays our bills. Throw Wagner and Bracewell into the test mix and it is still a grueling off season and summer.

That is a possible 72 day cricket summer for October to March. This does not include the test tours to Safrica and Zimbabwe in Jul to September. Heavy seam bowler rotation will be required. It is at Australian levels - they will play 67 days in the same period. NZ has not had a schedule like this before that I am aware of. There will most likely be injuries. And new players can be trialled. I am sure Neesham will get a crack at a few sides in this period. Hopefully Munro too if Latham replaces McCullum. Sodhi and one other, maybe Tastle, maybe not, will goto India and play in that full tour. I doubt we only see Ronchi and Watling with wicket keeper pads on.

I'm the first to not care for average all rounders in test cricket where 4 front line bowlers can suffice, but in ODI cricket, they're important. Not just because 5 bowlers are required, but the options that they provide to a captain in a variety of match conditions. Santner, Elliot and Anderson bowl completely different styles to each other. Cynics may say it is three different shades of crap - but I see value in Anderson big time, Elliot as well and hope Santner grows with a steady time period invested in him. But I would be tempted to play allrounders in Zimbabwe, and Santner as an allrounder in India in addition to a front line spinner, and 3 seamers. Just because it is such a tough schedule, the nature of the pitches and the opposition in the case of Zimbabwe.
 
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JJ

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After this series (as it's too late to change) - I'd be flushing the dunny on Elliott and Ronchi

Personally I've never thought much of Elliott (great WC acknowledged) and Ronchi is too streaky - regardless both are old, and not terribly good.

I expect Nicholls will be the replacement for Elliott, does eliminate a bowling option (which Munro or Neesham would provide), but we need balance in the order. Keeper is an interesting one, BJ is the obvious option, but someone else could nab it. I like Santner at 8, hopefully his bowling develops and he can snare that test spot

Great performance though, thoroughly outplayed them in all aspects - they do seem prone to folding like a deck of cards away from home, or more pertinently when the wicket offers anything resembling movement off the seam
 

hineyrulz

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Our batting coach should be sacked, instead he gets rewarded with taking the top side away with Boof unwell. Our fielding has been dreadful for some time instead that dopey merkin Blewett is still there. You only have to listen to him commentate to know what a stupid merkin he is. The selections continue to boggle the mind, but it doesn't matter the Big Beat off was a hit and money is coming in who cares about the important things...........


I can see us getting smashed 2nil in the tests, in the long run it is a good thing this is the most average squad we have put on the park in around 30 years.
 

JJ

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I can see us getting smashed 2nil in the tests, in the long run it is a good thing this is the most average squad we have put on the park in around 30 years.

We haven't won either series yet - but I do chuckle that every time you lot lose a game over here, suddenly it's the worst squad assembled
 

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We haven't won either series yet - but I do chuckle that every time you lot lose a game over here, suddenly it's the worst squad assembled

They've just called up Marcus Stoinis, your chuckling is invalid.
 

Meth

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After this series (as it's too late to change) - I'd be flushing the dunny on Elliott and Ronchi

Personally I've never thought much of Elliott (great WC acknowledged) and Ronchi is too streaky - regardless both are old, and not terribly good.

yes
 

Pete Cash

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The side is what it is. I'm not that concerned about the batting but the bowling isn't crash hot. We really miss a guy who can take wickets. Sometimes you just run out of players. We are another bowler down because Faulkner is injured now
 

Meth

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I think that with Starc missing, a lot of pressure was on Hazelwood and Faulkner, and now all that pressure goes on Hazelwood.
 

Pete Cash

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Hastings has been pretty good but Faulkner a bowling allrounder has been replaced by Stoinis who isn't as good a bowler.

Dare I say it...it should have been Watto
 

blaza88z

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We haven't won either series yet - but I do chuckle that every time you lot lose a game over here, suddenly it's the worst squad assembled

if you can't accept how bad this current side is then I guess you never will, we have a side that can bat well but the problem is they've had to bat well far too often as of late, 300+ in almost every ODI it seems, the bowlers just aren't doing anything of note
 

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