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1st ODI NZ v Australia 3 Feb 2016: Eden Park Auckland

Hutty1986

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Everyone knows Lyon was out. Everyone also knows NZ had plenty of chances to dismiss him before he made an incredibly valuable 30-odd but instead your skipper kept throwing the ball to the spinners and Lyon hit probably the most valuable runs of his career thus far.

Australia & NZ are very evenly-matched, but if our batsmen don't turn things around quickly, the Kiwis will belt us in both tests. This is an extremely important test series for both sides; we need to continue our very good record in NZ and the home side will be desperate to send McCullum out a winner.
 

Bazal

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Everyone also knows that with the rules as they are there was no way that decision could be overturned, despite being out and yet here we are, blaming an umpire for the system and for the Kiwis lack of mental toughness. Seems like the right way to go...
 

ANTiLAG

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Everyone also knows that with the rules as they are there was no way that decision could be overturned, despite being out and yet here we are, blaming an umpire for the system and for the Kiwis lack of mental toughness. Seems like the right way to go...

Well, I am sure McCullum would say that NZ played 2 spinners in that test and a half fit Boult. At some point, the spinners had to be bowled.

As for the decision being impossible to overturn, that is the entire point of the DRS system. To overturn clearly wrong decisions. Noone expected the tv third umpire to make such an absolute howler and misread the hotspot technology.

But it is all rather boring.

Think you are far superior side to NZ all you like as a result of Adelaide. That just makes your capitulation yesterday all the more sweeter. And if yesterday is repeated in the tests, you will feel as though world cricket will be laughing at you for capitulating to a minnow like NZ.
 
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vvvrulz

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I like you as a poster. But I now ask that you look at the scorecard, because Elliot bowled one over for 7 runs, Anderson 4 overs for 14 runs and a wicket, and Santner two ball for two wickets. Milne was the only "suspect" rest, and given his career economy, and that match situation and score, is in no danger of being called suspect. He is having a good summer and is improving. He also got Faulkner's top of off stump.

You have to look away from the numbers alone, sure the bowling on the scorecard looks good but you can't read into dismissals where the game was dead and the batsmen were trying to hit the ball back to Australia. All, including Milne getting Faulkner, were freebies. They are largely still spraying it everywhere.

I am harsh on Anderson because his career numbers are very flattering. Lots of soft wickets mostly down to batsmen error (similar to McClenaghan), lots of wides, couple of brutal knocks against rubbish attacks, completely out of sorts against genuine pace and movement. Dropped a sitter, let another through his legs for four. Mistakes happen of course, but he's particularly sloppy. He's bits and pieces.

Elliott needs to convert pretty soon, but happy to persevere.
Watling must be close to replacing Ronchi, if he doesn't fire this series again.
 

vvvrulz

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Guy you lost the series 2-0 nobody cares how close it was. Australians don't care how well they played in a lost series :lol: .

It was a competitive series, but we lost 2-0 fair and square and I don't think anyone can say otherwise.

Now the Sydney Test against India, that was robbery ;)
 

chigurh

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Billy Bowden all but handed NZ the third ODI against Pakistan with the not out call on Anderson - not a peep :lol:
 

ANTiLAG

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You have to look away from the numbers alone, sure the bowling on the scorecard looks good but you can't read into dismissals where the game was dead and the batsmen were trying to hit the ball back to Australia. All, including Milne getting Faulkner, were freebies. They are largely still spraying it everywhere.

You praised Henry and Boult. I didn't. I just thought you were particularly rough on Anderson (4 overs, 14 runs, 1 wicket) and Santner (2 balls and 2 wickets). Have a look at Anderson's economy against Pakistan. Include the horrific first T20 into the mix as well. He has control and when not bowling in the death, is economical.

I am harsh on Anderson because his career numbers are very flattering.
They sure are brilliant numbers aren't they? But here is the thing, at some point, after so many games, you will have to say well, flattering maybe, but he has continued to keep them at a flattering level, perhaps he is that good.

Lots of soft wickets mostly down to batsmen error (similar to McClenaghan),
Those are how most ODI wickets happen. Scoreboard pressure gets more wickets than swing, spin or seam.


lots of wides, couple of brutal knocks against rubbish attacks, completely out of sorts against genuine pace and movement.
And yet smashed Pakistan for a NZ victory. Instrumental in NZ's world cup final appearance, including a vital knock in the semi final against a pretty good bowling attack. I don't think he should be in the test team, but he is one of the first names I'd write down in a limited overs team. He provides the ODI teams with great balance. He can bowl in any match role in limited overs. His batting is very good for limited overs. He is a vital cog in the NZ ODI machine.


Dropped a sitter, let another through his legs for four. Mistakes happen of course, but he's particularly sloppy. He's bits and pieces.
Yeah he is not selected for his fiedling and is defintely behind Williamson, Southee, Milne, Boult, Guptill, McCullum, Santner and Latham who are truly brilliant and exceptional fieldsmen. NZ are the best fiedling side in the world at present. Anderson and McClenaghan are passengers both on that bus.
 
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Pete Cash

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In one match. On a Gabba road.

There was no clear outplaying NZ at the WACA or Adelaide.

But think what you will.

You guys failed to take 20 wickets in every test. Can't win many tests without taking twenty wickets.
 

vvvrulz

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Those are how most ODI wickets happen. Scoreboard pressure gets more wickets than swing, spin or seam.

No argument there, but it's skewed in the case of Anderson where he coughs up a huge amount of pies and rarely get's wickets from sustained tight bowling. Generally he comes on against the run of play and catches a top edge with a nothing half-tracker (as an example). It happens a *lot* with him.

And yet smashed Pakistan for a NZ victory. Instrumental in NZ's world cup final appearance, including a vital knock in the semi final against a pretty good bowling attack.

Smashed Pakistan? After being dismissed with an umpiring howler, and still failing to see the match off by trying to glory smash his way. Terrible shot to get out.

He was hardly instrumental in the World Cup either, handy though. He was all at sea against Australia, twice, cracked good runs against Sri Lanka, and that South Africa innings was his career best by far. That was quality. Mixed bag, didn't have an issue with him then. Been ordinary since.
 

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Australia actually managed to bowl england out twice in 3 matches. Not that i would say it wss a close series but at least it was theoretically possible for australia to win those games ( we actually won two of them)
 

ANTiLAG

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No argument there, but it's skewed in the case of Anderson where he coughs up a huge amount of pies and rarely get's wickets from sustained tight bowling. Generally he comes on against the run of play and catches a top edge with a nothing half-tracker (as an example). It happens a *lot* with him.

But he gets those wickets every 4 overs. And he makes runs at a higher SR than his bowling economy rate. Vital all round achiever.

Smashed Pakistan? After being dismissed with an umpiring howler, and still failing to see the match off by trying to glory smash his way. Terrible shot to get out.

No I was thinking of his T20 82 off 42 balls then opening the bowling and taking 2 for 17 off 3 overs to win NZ the series.

But good hitting in that ODI match against Pakistan that got the RRR down to something managable for the batsman after him. Did his job well.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/newzealand/engine/match/914225.html



He was hardly instrumental in the World Cup either, handy though. He was all at sea against Australia, twice, cracked good runs against Sri Lanka, and that South Africa innings was his career best by far. That was quality. Mixed bag, didn't have an issue with him then. Been ordinary since.

Team of the ICC Cricket World Cup 2015 in batting order:

http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-world-cup/news/2015/media-releases/87589/icc-announces-team-of-the-icc-cricket-world-cup-2015

Brendon McCullum (New Zealand (captain)

Martin Guptill (New Zealand)

Kumar Sangakkara (Sri Lanka) (wicketkeeper)

Steven Smith (Australia)

AB de Villiers (South Africa)

Glenn Maxwell (Australia)

Corey Anderson (New Zealand)

Daniel Vettori (New Zealand)

Mitchell Starc (Australia)

Trent Boult (New Zealand)

Morne Morkel (South Africa)

Brendan Taylor (Zimbabwe) (12th man)

Since then he has been vital in series wins over Pakistan in T20 and ODI.

I think you are far too unfairly judging the all roun abilities and role of Corey Anderson. He cannot be compared to either the specialist batsmen or the specialist bowlers. As far as allrounders go, NZ has bloody good-un.
 
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ANTiLAG

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Australia actually managed to bowl england out twice in 3 matches. Not that i would say it wss a close series but at least it was theoretically possible for australia to win those games ( we actually won two of them)

3/5 = 60%

New Zealand did it 2/2 = 100%

I really wouldn't brag about it if I was you.
 

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