20 team comp with talent coming from the US

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You said the Broncos drew crowds, this season, that rival the NFL.

That's complete bullshit.

The Broncos don't even draw crowds that are big by Australian standards, but are incomparable to the NFL

You said Lang Park is "3 decades old". It was rebuilt in 2003. That's 20 years ago.

The Broncos and Dolphins drew a sell out crowd of 51,047. That's big by world standards. The NFL is the only sports league in the world that averages more than 51k to its games.

List of attendance figures at domestic professional sports leagues - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Another 43,162 flocked to Lang Park for the Broncos vs Cowboys game on a rainy night. Last week there were 40,102 at Lang Park to see the Broncos vs Rabbitohs.

To claim those attendances aren't big by Australian standards is bullshit. They're larger than the average attendance for AwFuL. Only the biggest derbies from Melbourne and the Eagles vs Dockers game at Perth Oval drew bigger attendances In 2022 than the Dolphins vs Broncos.

AFL Tables - Crowds 2022

afltables.com

What's the average price for a ticket to an NFL game?

This site says the average cost is $111 USD.

NFL average ticket price 2023 | Statista

The average ticket price for a National Football League (NFL) game has seen a steady increase in the last 15 years.

www.statista.com

You're full of shit. Just like the time you claimed the NSWRL was strongly supported in Queensland back in the 80s. Shane Webke said the exact opposite.

 

[Perth Red]

You said Lang Park is "3 decades old". It was rebuilt in 2003. That's 20 years ago.

The Broncos and Dolphins drew a sell out crowd of 51,047. That's big by world standards. The NFL is the only sports league in the world that averages more than 51k to its games. Another 43,162 flocked to Lang Park for the Broncos vs Cowboys game on a rainy night. Last week there were 40,102 at Lang Park to see the Broncos vs Rabbitohs.

What's the average price for a ticket to an NFL game?

About $160 Aus. If you can get one!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

No, not even close.

You're hyper focused on the single factor of coverage at the expense of all other factors.

The average NFL stadium's accessibility, facilities, experience, concessions, entertainment options, etc, etc, etc, shit all over almost anything you'll find in Australia, and it's not even close. You could argue that the Yanks pay significantly more for those luxuries than what is expected in Australia and that the increase in cost isn't worth the benefits, but that's besides the point.

Setting aside the fact that Suncorp doesn't have a high enough capacity to be an NFL stadium, it'd be a middling stadium in the NFL at best, and there'd be a lot of angst amongst Americans and NFL fans at it's lack of space for tailgating, entertainment options and spaces, lack of club shops and merchandise kiosks, the quality and variety of concession stands and other facilities, etc, etc.

Obviously it depends on the individual stadium to an extent, but yes to almost all of the above in almost all cases. That doesn't just go for the NFL stadiums either, the average MLB stadium and arenas used by the NBA and NHL are lightyears ahead of most equivalent facilities in Australia as well.

I had to look up tailgating. I never took entertainment facilities outside the stadia into consideration as it's not really part of the Australian sports culture.

Lang Park has a physical store for merchandise at its northern stand. I don't know how it compares to the ones at NFL grounds. A temporary one is set up outside the southern stand.

The concession sections at Lang Park could and should be better. Unfortunately our stadia caters to drinking culture.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Having been to Lang park and soldier field I'd have to say Lang Park is superior in pretty much every way. Im sure some of the new NFL stadiums with the roofs are amazing though.
I wasnt over fussed with wembley, it had lost its historic spirit for me, Old Trafford is an amazing stadium as an example of how you can renovate an old stadium to a decent standard. Optus stadium is amazing as a stadium and one of the best large stadiums Ive been to in the world. Commbank is equally amazing as a mid size stadium and would be hard to beat. Haven't had chance to get to Allianz yet but Suncorp already has it beat in the local area (bars and restaurants close) stakes for me.

For me its about: Easy transport, bars within walking distance, view from seats (pitch of stands), aisle size, food and drink outlets and options, toilets (amount and cleanliness), I like a stadium with a concourse so you can stand and have a drink whilst watching some of the game, roofline to stay dry, big screen vision and the way the design keeps in the atmosphere/noise.

Lang Park has all of that, except for a concourse with viewing access for drinkers and decent sized aisles. The aisles need to be a bit bigger. They're too cramped for my liking. Food abeverages are too expensive, but that's the norm in Australia.

About $160 Aus. If you can get one!

For what we pay we do alright at Lang Park.

 

[The Great Dane]

I had to look up tailgating. I never took entertainment facilities outside the stadia into consideration as it's not really part of the Australian sports culture.

Lang Park has a physical store for merchandise at its northern stand. I don't know how it compares to the ones at NFL grounds. A temporary one is set up outside the southern stand.

The Broncos have one of the better team stores in the NRL in my experience, but it simply isn't comparable to what's going on in America.

Everything is just bigger and of a higher standard over there, and the capacity they can get through on game day is unimaginable in Australia. Tens of thousands of people will go through these stores on big occasions. There're teams in the NFL whose stores are better than some NRL teams whole stadiums lol.

The concession sections at Lang Park could and should be better. Unfortunately our stadia caters to drinking culture.

Pretty much every stadium around the world caters to drinking culture, and the NFL is no different. Some of the bars in NFL stadiums are just as insane as their team stores BTW.

They put way more effort into food than you see on average in Australia as well.

Unlike in Australia where the food at stadiums is all more or less the same both in variety and quality, each stadium in the US has unique food options that cater to the local tastes and culture. They also have a much wider variety of options for sale than is usual in Australian stadiums, whilst still offering cheaper (by their standards) more standardised options that are more similar to the sort of fare you see in Australia.

https://www.si.com/eats/2017/09/25/...id=ci025538d380022580&pid=att-stadium-pambazo

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-sports/top-10-stadium-foods-nfl/

 

[Gobsmacked]

The Broncos have one of the better team stores in the NRL in my experience, but it simply isn't comparable to what's going on in America.

Everything is just bigger and of a higher standard over there, and the capacity they can get through on game day is unimaginable in Australia. Tens of thousands of people will go through these stores on big occasions. There're teams in the NFL whose stores are better than some NRL teams whole stadiums lol.

Pretty much every stadium around the world caters to drinking culture, and the NFL is no different. Some of the bars in NFL stadiums are just as insane as their team stores BTW.

They put way more effort into food than you see on average in Australia as well.

Unlike in Australia where the food at stadiums is all more or less the same both in variety and quality, each stadium in the US has unique food options that cater to the local tastes and culture. They also have a much wider variety of options for sale than is usual in Australian stadiums, whilst still offering cheaper (by their standards) more standardised options that are more similar to the sort of fare you see in Australia.

https://www.si.com/eats/2017/09/25/...id=ci025538d380022580&pid=att-stadium-pambazo

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-sports/top-10-stadium-foods-nfl/

There's no comparison between NFL and NRL..!
An NRL club represents an average 250,000 people geographically.
An NFL team is 5 to 10 million!

All of Australia's population represents 1 team... I'm sure we'd step it up too

 

[SpaceMonkey]

I'm yet to see any evidence to back up the often repeated claim that US stadia is better.

I'm what ways are they better?

Are the seats more comfortable?

no, seats are pretty much seats

Is the view from the stands better?

generally yes, they’re proper rectangles with tiered stands purpose

Are the corporate boxes better?

probably depends on the city but I’d hazard a guess that they often

Do they have better shithouses?

certainly wouldn’t be any worse

Are their tuckshops better?

the food and booze is MILES better. Not even comparable

Do they provide easy access to the public?

generally yes, or they have enormous car parks.

Others like Chicago, Pittsburgh or Baltimore are adjacent to or in the CBD

Lang Park has a depot underneath it to bus fans in from all over the Brisbane City Council region. The transport is provided free of charge. This makes Lang Park one of the amost ccessible stadia on Earth.

How many US stadia provide this service?

Lang Park is close to the CBD and a short walk from a train station. It's about as good as it gets in terms of access.

The stands at Lang Park are built very close to the field of play. The rows accend steeply to provide superb depth perception from the higher tiers without being too far away from the action. There isn't a better stadium in Australia to watch a game of rugby league, rugby union or soccer. The atmosphere is provides is second to none as the fans are on top of the action.

Does any NFL stadium match Lang Park in this department?

I’d go as far as saying that’s the norm in NFL stadia

From what I've seen the field of play at NFL stadia is about 10 or 20 metres from the grandstands.

Maybe their stadia are equipped with fancy self-cleaning Japanese shithouses and a bidot that sprays warm water on your arse after you have a shit. God knows.

Hey, those Japanese toilets are awesome. If I had one I’d probably put a TV in my shitter and watch the footy while I hosed my arse

 

[SpaceMonkey]

It’s got its charm, on the lake and park is lovely but not close to the main city entertainment area and I like they managed to keep the unique facade whilst rebuilding the interior but that’s about it, it’s cold, cramped and lacks any real wow about it.

I’ve got ‘grand tour’ plans of nfl stadiums when I’m retired!

Yeah it’s all about location and history with Soldier Field. Chicago really like their history, I’ve been to the baseball at Wrigley Field sitting in the bleachers and that was a top day too.

 

[taxidriver]

Obviously you guys aren’t following one of the biggest viral sports stories at the moment regarding Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney buying a shit Welsh soccer club for a pittance. Nobody in the USA caress that they play in a minor league in front of tiny crowds in a shit stadium. The story is in how they promoted the club constantly and that’s what people latched onto. I’ve been following it for about two years now.

I wouldn’t have picked Manly but if the NRL can tee up Hugh Jackman then it becomes a story that markets itself. You don’t think he’d invite Ryan Reynolds as well to a once in a generation game in the states? And also Blake Lively? Same with Russell Crowe. I’ve been to G’Day USA events and the potential is there for this to become a big tourism centrepiece event with Australian government backing.

some MLS games have bigger attendances European clubs and averages are also above some European leagues

 

[Perth Red]

Id go:
Announce WC Pirates in 2024 for a 2028 admission (start up in 2025 in NSW cup and re-enter SG Ball, and time to upgrade HBF and build the CofE) (presuming WA Govt support stacks up)

Open bids for NZ2 in 2029 with a planned 2032 admission (2030 join NSW cup). Have it open and see where the best business case bid stacks up between Wellington, Christchurch or Auckland area2

Move Bears in 2029 to Adelaide for a 2032 admission

Brisbane doesn't need more than 2 teams, if they are genuine Brisbane wide appealing clubs.
That gives the game a truly national comp for the first time ever with NZ tapped as well.

You could then, depending on how thinsg are travelling for th egame look at Brisabne3 and PNG and a 2 conference comp after 2035.

Now that would be a visionary strat plan for the game!

 

[Gobsmacked]

Id go:
Announce WC Pirates in 2024 for a 2028 admission (start up in 2025 in NSW cup and re-enter SG Ball, and time to upgrade HBF and build the CofE) (presuming WA Govt support stacks up)

Open bids for NZ2 in 2029 with a planned 2032 admission (2030 join NSW cup). Have it open and see where the best business case bid stacks up between Wellington, Christchurch or Auckland area2

Move Bears in 2029 to Adelaide for a 2032 admission

Brisbane doesn't need more than 2 teams, if they are genuine Brisbane wide appealing clubs.
That gives the game a truly national comp for the first time ever with NZ tapped as well.

You could then, depending on how thinsg are travelling for th egame look at Brisabne3 and PNG and a 2 conference comp after 2035.

Now that would be a visionary strat plan for the game!

I like most of what you have there.

I still find it laughable to have ( a truly national comp) there's no such thing really. The AFL are chuffed that they can call their comp "truly national " now they are putting in Tasmania ...
What next? Darwin.. o crap Canberra what makes 1 place more" national " than another
The places that the AFL don't consider the nation:
Darwin
Canberra
Cairns
Townsville
Mackay
Wollongong
Newcastle
Sunshine Coast
Launceston.....

Is it States? Because they're still missing 2

It's all just dots on a map, there's no real point to it.
Literally: you get to say " it's a national comp"
The NRL can Literally say " it's an international comp" why don't they? Because it means nada!

When it's all said and done, this national strategy that the AFL has, has a major flaw .. expansion to places just to fill dots on a map like GC , GWS and Hobart gives an odder to them, a forced expansion that lacks authenticity.

The NRL asked for bids, it comes from the people that demand inclusion and want to prove their value.
not that commy bs.

 

[MugaB]

Id go:
Announce WC Pirates in 2024 for a 2028 admission (start up in 2025 in NSW cup and re-enter SG Ball, and time to upgrade HBF and build the CofE) (presuming WA Govt support stacks up)

Open bids for NZ2 in 2029 with a planned 2032 admission (2030 join NSW cup). Have it open and see where the best business case bid stacks up between Wellington, Christchurch or Auckland area2

Move Bears in 2029 to Adelaide for a 2032 admission

Brisbane doesn't need more than 2 teams, if they are genuine Brisbane wide appealing clubs.
That gives the game a truly national comp for the first time ever with NZ tapped as well.

You could then, depending on how thinsg are travelling for th egame look at Brisabne3 and PNG and a 2 conference comp after 2035.

Now that would be a visionary strat plan for the game!

Except that there's no players coming out of WA to sustain a full NRL side by 2028... if you had said Bears in Perth by 2028.. maybe, but even then they aren't boosting the player pool either, but atleast they won't be a total drain on it like a stand alone Perth bid would be that close to admission...

Again thinking with dick first mentality ala whats best for PR and his local Perf bid

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The Broncos have one of the better team stores in the NRL in my experience, but it simply isn't comparable to what's going on in America.

Everything is just bigger and of a higher standard over there, and the capacity they can get through on game day is unimaginable in Australia. Tens of thousands of people will go through these stores on big occasions. There're teams in the NFL whose stores are better than some NRL teams whole stadiums lol.

Pretty much every stadium around the world caters to drinking culture, and the NFL is no different. Some of the bars in NFL stadiums are just as insane as their team stores BTW.

They put way more effort into food than you see on average in Australia as well.

Unlike in Australia where the food at stadiums is all more or less the same both in variety and quality, each stadium in the US has unique food options that cater to the local tastes and culture. They also have a much wider variety of options for sale than is usual in Australian stadiums, whilst still offering cheaper (by their standards) more standardised options that are more similar to the sort of fare you see in Australia.

https://www.si.com/eats/2017/09/25/...id=ci025538d380022580&pid=att-stadium-pambazo

https://www.wearethemighty.com/mighty-sports/top-10-stadium-foods-nfl/

It's a good thing America doesn't take our game seriously. It they did then the NRL would be nothing but a feeder competition like the A-League.

It would be good if our future stadiums were fully enclosed and had a large space adjacent to it reserved for dining and sideshow attractions. When the stadium isn't in use then the adjacent space could be used as a street market.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

generally yes, they’re proper rectangles with tiered stands purpose

Lang Park, Melbourne Rectangular Arena and Parramatta Stadium are shaped like that.

the food and booze is MILES better. Not even comparable

The food at stadia in Australia is atrocious, so you're probably right. It's usually half cooked pre-packaged crap that is sold for top dollar. I always took my own sandwiches when I went to Lang Park.

Having said that, American cuisine in general is shit compared to the rest of the world. Especially their coffee, ice cream and biscuits. The one thing they do cook better than anyone else is fried chicken.

generally yes, or they have enormous car parks.

Others like Chicago, Pittsburgh or Baltimore are adjacent to or in the CBD

We need to do better in this arra when we build new stadia. Lang Park excels in this area.

Hey, those Japanese toilets are awesome. If I had one I’d probably put a TV in my shitter and watch the footy while I hosed my arse

I installed a seat sanitiser that I got from Bunnings. I always wipe the seat with it before sitting down.

 

[Peach & Apricot]

Why would these NFL rejects play NRL when the salaries in NRL are so low? For most it would be a huge paycut.

 

[Perth Red]

Except that there's no players coming out of WA to sustain a full NRL side by 2028... if you had said Bears in Perth by 2028.. maybe, but even then they aren't boosting the player pool either, but atleast they won't be a total drain on it like a stand alone Perth bid would be that close to admission...

Again thinking with dick first mentality ala whats best for PR and his local Perf bid

Cough dolphins cough
WA will sign players from other clubs and SL, just like titans did, just like dolphins are doing.

 

[Perth Red]

I like most of what you have there.

I still find it laughable to have ( a truly national comp) there's no such thing really. The AFL are chuffed that they can call their comp "truly national " now they are putting in Tasmania ...
What next? Darwin.. o crap Canberra what makes 1 place more" national " than another
The places that the AFL don't consider the nation:
Darwin
Canberra
Cairns
Townsville
Mackay
Wollongong
Newcastle
Sunshine Coast
Launceston.....

Is it States? Because they're still missing 2

It's all just dots on a map, there's no real point to it.
Literally: you get to say " it's a national comp"
The NRL can Literally say " it's an international comp" why don't they? Because it means nada!

When it's all said and done, this national strategy that the AFL has, has a major flaw .. expansion to places just to fill dots on a map like GC , GWS and Hobart gives an odder to them, a forced expansion that lacks authenticity.

The NRL asked for bids, it comes from the people that demand inclusion and want to prove their value.
not that commy bs.

Most people would say 5 capital city significant presence and reach into territories equals a national reach comp.
they have
5 capital city
1.5 territory cities
2 regional cities

we have
3 capital city
1 territory
3.5 regional cities
1 international city

id have thought it would be pretty clear to everyone (it is to Politis) by now that’s it’s the big cities that generate the big revenue for a sport.
5 cities =$900mill
3 cities =$600mill

 

[MugaB]

Cough dolphins cough
WA will sign players from other clubs and SL, just like titans did, just like dolphins are doing.

And give sweet f**k all back to the rest of the comp

 

[Gobsmacked]

Most people would say 5 capital city significant presence and reach into territories equals a national reach comp.
they have
5 capital city
1.5 territory cities
2 regional cities

we have
3 capital city
1 territory
3.5 regional cities
1 international city

id have thought it would be pretty clear to everyone (it is to Politis) by now that’s it’s the big cities that generate the big revenue for a sport.
5 cities =$900mill
3 cities =$600mill

I'm so glad we have an Englishman to tell us what our country is all about

 

[Gobsmacked]

Why would these NFL rejects play NRL when the salaries in NRL are so low? For most it would be a huge paycut.

An NFL " reject " earning... 0 ?
Would take a pay cut to play NRL?
I'm not great at math either, so no judgement.