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20 team comp with talent coming from the US

Perth Red

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The NRL average crowd for 2022 was just shy of 70k. The Broncos don't draw crowds that rival NFL in any way, shape or form.

Have you seen So Fi Stadium in LA?


Or Allegiant Stadium (home of the LV Raiders)


Or Cowboys Stadium


The facilities and fan experience (not to mention ticket price) are light years ahead of anything offered at Suncorp or anywhere in the NRL. Suncorp is basically 3 decades old at this point and whilst great for NRL and Australia, you cant compare it to what they have.
This is one of your most dishonest posts.

Up until the last few years it was standard practice for NFL teams to play at stadia that lacked a roof. Two of the stadia you mentioned were built recently. The other was built in 2009.

The Packers still play out of a shithole that provides no protection from the snow. Chicago is another team that plays in a shithole roofless stadium.


The two teams in NYC play in a stadium that has no roof.


Up until this year the crowds in the NFL were in decline.

In what universe is Lang Park "3 decades old"?

It was rebuilt between 2001-03 and opened midway through 2003. That makes it about 20 years old.

Can you explain to me how Lambeau Field in Green Bay or Soldier Field in Chicago offer a better fan experience than Lang Park when it's snowing and below freezing?
 
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You're not serious are you?
Lang Park has a roof and its seating provides fans with a great view of the action. The seating at NFL stadia isn't as good. Most NFL stadia offer zero protection from the elements.

People on here complain about Bruce Stadium in Canberra being shit because it provides no protection from the elements in a cold city. There are NFL teams in cold cities that experience freezing temperatures playing out of grounds that don't have a roof.
 
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I don't recall saying that it looks like Brookvale.

My point, is that it would be irrelevant what a clubs home ground is or looks like on TV.

Do people follow Liverpool because of the Kop??
You were stupid enough to say that Americans couldn't tell the difference between 35k at Lang Park or 16k at Brookvale.

Lang Park has better facilities than all of those "open" NFL stadia that provide zero protection from the elements. Lang Park also provides fans with free bus travel with a depot beneath it.
 

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Peter vlanyds is looking at expanding the game internationally and you get these salty posts from people because he didn’t add a Perth team yet

never change guys it’s absolutely hilarious
 

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Lang Park has a roof and its seating provides fans with a great view of the action. The seating at NFL stadia isn't as good. Most NFL stadia offer zero protection from the elements.

People on here complain about Bruce Stadium in Canberra being shit because it provides no protection from the elements in a cold city. There are NFL teams in cold cities that experience freezing temperatures playing out of grounds that don't have a roof.
Nobody would deny that some of the older NFL stadiums are pretty outdated at this point, but the newer ones are literally the global standard, state of the art, best stadiums in the world. There're no stadiums in the Southern Hemisphere that are even close to the likes of Sofi, Allegiant, AT&T, Mercedes-Benz, etc, in quality or functionality, and there probably won't be for quite a while, by which time the new state of the art stadiums in the US will be even better.

The average standard of NFL grounds is significantly better than the average standard of NRL grounds, and it's not even close. Anyone pretending otherwise is either ignorant or delusional.
 

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Why not do that via online advertising and getting TV coverage OS.

This just looks like a junket for the boys.
That's literally what they're trying to achieve by shopping themselves around over there.

The only way that they get in bed with one of the major sports betting apps, or a mainstream broadcast partner for that matter, is by shopping themselves around over there and showing first hand that it can be a successful business partnership.

The AFL got lucky with this stuff in that them being the Australian Football League gave them a novelty factor which got them a partnership with ESPN, and ESPN playing them on the main channel when nothing else was on during covid lead to more Americans taking an interest including Pat MacAfee. MacAfee taking enough of an interest that he covered them on his podcast during covid (and still talks about them from time to time) really got their name out there and got them onto the main page of apps like FanDuel and Draftkings through their association with him.

The NRL doesn't have that luxury and has to find ways to sell themselves if they want to open up that revenue stream for themselves, and I can totally believe that some in person meetings culminating in wining and dining some executives at a game is a step to achieving that goal.

The NRL rebranding to the Australian Rugby League would be a good move to attract international interest as well BTW.
 
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The NRL rebranding to the Australian Rugby League would be a good move to attract international interest as well BTW.
The games problems as far as naming goes will always be that there is 2 rugbys

Rugby League sounds like a league (comp) of rugby (union)

Idk how you would even go about coming up with a new name for the sport, and it'll probably never happen, but if there was it would help with international recognition imo

Either that or we convert all of union to league lol
 

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Obviously you guys aren’t following one of the biggest viral sports stories at the moment regarding Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney buying a shit Welsh soccer club for a pittance. Nobody in the USA caress that they play in a minor league in front of tiny crowds in a shit stadium. The story is in how they promoted the club constantly and that’s what people latched onto. I’ve been following it for about two years now.

I wouldn’t have picked Manly but if the NRL can tee up Hugh Jackman then it becomes a story that markets itself. You don’t think he’d invite Ryan Reynolds as well to a once in a generation game in the states? And also Blake Lively? Same with Russell Crowe. I’ve been to G’Day USA events and the potential is there for this to become a big tourism centrepiece event with Australian government backing.
Yeah Wrexham AFC is the perfect example of the power of celebrity to sell a product.

Nobody outside of the UK knew or cared who Wrexham were until McElhenney saw Sunderland 'Til I Die, decided to buy a team, and convinced Reynolds to partner with him. Now Wrexham are a household name internationally and more people one social media cared about their battle for promotion into the EFL than the biggest games in the EPL.

In other words a Welsh team in the National League (fifth tier) has been bigger news for the last couple of years than the EPL because of Deadpool and one of the blokes from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
 
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The games problems as far as naming goes will always be that there is 2 rugbys

Rugby League sounds like a league (comp) of rugby (union)

Idk how you would even go about coming up with a new name for the sport, and it'll probably never happen, but if there was it would help with international recognition imo

Either that or we convert all of union to league lol
In the modern age the internet and social media are king and marketing is all about manipulating the algorithm to your advantage. At the moment the first hits you get when you google search 'Australian Rugby' are Rugby Australia and the Wallabies, and the same is true across most of social media.

The NRL could change that if they were to change their name to the Australian Rugby League and pay google, and others where possible, to promote their content, and that would mean that anytime anybody in world searches for Australian Rugby their content would come up first.

Whether or not people overseas understand the difference between RL and RU is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, all that matters is that they're interacting with your content and not your competitors. The ones that take an interest will learn the difference soon enough, you've just got to get yourself under their noses.
 

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Brisbane is now an Olympic city. That alone is something that can be marketed to the American public. I can see the Queensland Gov using it as an opportunity to promote tourism. The Treasury Casino and Broncos Leagues Club could use it to promote their businesses to gamblers who want to holiday in Australia.

Melbourne is also an Olympic city.

Brisbane vs South Sydney

Melbourne vs Sydney

That's the two matches I'd take over there to make the NRL look like more than a Sydney suburban competition. If it gets the Queensland, NSW and Vic Govs involved then even better.

If we had a Perth team then we could have Brisbane vs Perth.
We have a team from NZ, the Warriors would be the ideal 4th team in the equation if you’re doing it on pure marketability
 
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Nobody would deny that some of the older NFL stadiums are pretty outdated at this point, but the newer ones are literally the global standard, state of the art, best stadiums in the world. There're no stadiums in the Southern Hemisphere that are even close to the likes of Sofi, Allegiant, AT&T, Mercedes-Benz, etc, in quality or functionality, and there probably won't be for quite a while, by which time the new state of the art stadiums in the US will be even better.

The average standard of NFL grounds is significantly better than the average standard of NRL grounds, and it's not even close. Anyone pretending otherwise is either ignorant or delusional.
I do not deny any of that. In my original comment I said that Lang Park is better than most NFL stadia. I stand by that comment. There's 30 different stadia in the NFL and just over 10% of them are technologically superior to Lang Park. More than 20 NFL stadia are open. All of them are superior to the shitholes that most Sydney clubs play in, but that says more about the Sydney clubs than the NFL. I hope our future stadia upgrades are like the one in Las Vegas.
 

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I do not deny any of that. In my original comment I said that Lang Park is better than most NFL stadia. I stand by that comment. There's 30 different stadia in the NFL and just over 10% of them are technologically superior to Lang Park. More than 20 NFL stadia are open. All of them are superior to the shitholes that most Sydney clubs play in, but that says more about the Sydney clubs than the NFL. I hope our future stadia upgrades are like the one in Las Vegas.
You’re judging NFL stadia by one metric, roof coverage. As the link you provided points out, there’s a number of factors that determine whether stadia get built with roofs, and one thing I’ve noticed about US stadia is that they are either fully roofed or uncovered, they just don’t choose to build stadia with roofs for spectators only with an uncovered pitch, as a rule. But even when they’re unroofed, almost every other
aspect of those places is better than the majority of our stadia.
Something like M&T Banks stadium in Baltimore is unroofed but otherwise it’s pretty state of the art.
 
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You’re judging NFL stadia by one metric, roof coverage. As the link you provided points out, there’s a number of factors that determine whether stadia get built with roofs, and one thing I’ve noticed about US stadia is that they are either fully roofed or uncovered, they just don’t choose to build stadia with roofs for spectators only with an uncovered pitch, as a rule. But even when they’re unroofed, almost every other
aspect of those places is better than the majority of our stadia.
Something like M&T Banks stadium in Baltimore is unroofed but otherwise it’s pretty state of the art.
I'm yet to see any evidence to back up the often repeated claim that US stadia is better.

I'm what ways are they better?

Are the seats more comfortable?

Is the view from the stands better?

Are the corporate boxes better?

Do they have better shithouses?

Are their tuckshops better?

Do they provide easy access to the public?

Lang Park has a depot underneath it to bus fans in from all over the Brisbane City Council region. The transport is provided free of charge. This makes Lang Park one of the amost ccessible stadia on Earth.

How many US stadia provide this service?

Lang Park is close to the CBD and a short walk from a train station. It's about as good as it gets in terms of access.

The stands at Lang Park are built very close to the field of play. The rows accend steeply to provide superb depth perception from the higher tiers without being too far away from the action. There isn't a better stadium in Australia to watch a game of rugby league, rugby union or soccer. The atmosphere is provides is second to none as the fans are on top of the action.

Does any NFL stadium match Lang Park in this department?

From what I've seen the field of play at NFL stadia is about 10 or 20 metres from the grandstands.

Maybe their stadia are equipped with fancy self-cleaning Japanese shithouses and a bidot that sprays warm water on your arse after you have a shit. God knows.
 

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I do not deny any of that. In my original comment I said that Lang Park is better than most NFL stadia. I stand by that comment. There's 30 different stadia in the NFL and just over 10% of them are technologically superior to Lang Park. More than 20 NFL stadia are open. All of them are superior to the shitholes that most Sydney clubs play in, but that says more about the Sydney clubs than the NFL. I hope our future stadia upgrades are like the one in Las Vegas.
No, not even close.

You're hyper focused on the single factor of coverage at the expense of all other factors.

The average NFL stadium's accessibility, facilities, experience, concessions, entertainment options, etc, etc, etc, shit all over almost anything you'll find in Australia, and it's not even close. You could argue that the Yanks pay significantly more for those luxuries than what is expected in Australia and that the increase in cost isn't worth the benefits, but that's besides the point.

Setting aside the fact that Suncorp doesn't have a high enough capacity to be an NFL stadium, it'd be a middling stadium in the NFL at best, and there'd be a lot of angst amongst Americans and NFL fans at it's lack of space for tailgating, entertainment options and spaces, lack of club shops and merchandise kiosks, the quality and variety of concession stands and other facilities, etc, etc.
I'm yet to see any evidence to back up the often repeated claim that US stadia is better.

I'm what ways are they better?

Are the seats more comfortable?

Is the view from the stands better?

Are the corporate boxes better?

Do they have better shithouses?

Are their tuckshops better?

Do they provide easy access to the public?
Obviously it depends on the individual stadium to an extent, but yes to almost all of the above in almost all cases. That doesn't just go for the NFL stadiums either, the average MLB stadium and arenas used by the NBA and NHL are lightyears ahead of most equivalent facilities in Australia as well.
 

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Having been to Lang park and soldier field I'd have to say Lang Park is superior in pretty much every way. Im sure some of the new NFL stadiums with the roofs are amazing though.
I wasnt over fussed with wembley, it had lost its historic spirit for me, Old Trafford is an amazing stadium as an example of how you can renovate an old stadium to a decent standard. Optus stadium is amazing as a stadium and one of the best large stadiums Ive been to in the world. Commbank is equally amazing as a mid size stadium and would be hard to beat. Haven't had chance to get to Allianz yet but Suncorp already has it beat in the local area (bars and restaurants close) stakes for me.

For me its about: Easy transport, bars within walking distance, view from seats (pitch of stands), aisle size, food and drink outlets and options, toilets (amount and cleanliness), I like a stadium with a concourse so you can stand and have a drink whilst watching some of the game, roofline to stay dry, big screen vision and the way the design keeps in the atmosphere/noise.
 

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I'm yet to see any evidence to back up the often repeated claim that US stadia is better.

I'm what ways are they better?

Are the seats more comfortable?

Is the view from the stands better?

Are the corporate boxes better?

Do they have better shithouses?

Are their tuckshops better?

Do they provide easy access to the public?

Lang Park has a depot underneath it to bus fans in from all over the Brisbane City Council region. The transport is provided free of charge. This makes Lang Park one of the amost ccessible stadia on Earth.

How many US stadia provide this service?

Lang Park is close to the CBD and a short walk from a train station. It's about as good as it gets in terms of access.

The stands at Lang Park are built very close to the field of play. The rows accend steeply to provide superb depth perception from the higher tiers without being too far away from the action. There isn't a better stadium in Australia to watch a game of rugby league, rugby union or soccer. The atmosphere is provides is second to none as the fans are on top of the action.

Does any NFL stadium match Lang Park in this department?

From what I've seen the field of play at NFL stadia is about 10 or 20 metres from the grandstands.

Maybe their stadia are equipped with fancy self-cleaning Japanese shithouses and a bidot that sprays warm water on your arse after you have a shit. God knows.

You said the Broncos drew crowds, this season, that rival the NFL.

That's complete bullshit.

The Broncos don't even draw crowds that are big by Australian standards, but are incomparable to the NFL
 

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Having been to Lang park and soldier field I'd have to say Lang Park is superior in pretty much every way. Im sure some of the new NFL stadiums with the roofs are amazing though.
I've never been myself, but Soldier Field is regarded as one of the worst stadiums in the NFL. Easily in the bottom ten, arguably in the bottom five.

It's one of those situations where it's a storied older stadium that they've kept going with renovations over the years when really it needs to be knocked down and rebuilt.

It's why the Bears are in the process of trying to build a new stadium at Arlington Park.
 

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I've never been myself, but Soldier Field is regarded as one of the worst stadiums in the NFL. Easily in the bottom ten, arguably in the bottom five.

It's one of those situations where it's a storied older stadium that they've kept going with renovations over the years when really it needs to be knocked down and rebuilt.

It's why the Bears are in the process of trying to build a new stadium at Arlington Park.
It’s got its charm, on the lake and park is lovely but not close to the main city entertainment area and I like they managed to keep the unique facade whilst rebuilding the interior but that’s about it, it’s cold, cramped and lacks any real wow about it.

I’ve got ‘grand tour’ plans of nfl stadiums when I’m retired!
 

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