2007 Crowd Watch

[fanatique]

The point about the large number of RL teams in Sydney has long been made - but look at Melbourne and the AFL there. They have plenty of Melbourne based teams and they (for the most part) conjure up consistently huge crowds, crowds which completely dwarf the NRL.

I know it's a different culture, but I think Sydney should be doing better - especially considering when fixtures involve a Sydney based team v Sydney based team.

This year we had a great crowd of 35K to a Bulldogs v Souths match, but people were harping on about it no end. 35K (and greater) crowds should occur more often in Sydney IMO, not every week, but certainly more often. Great crowds should not be such a rarity down there.

Well if you are going to say Melbourne AFL spits on Sydney NRL (9 clubs each) it is equally true that WA and SA AFL with similar club numbers to Qld NRL spits on Qld.

What is your point? Sydney crowds are not good enough. True. Absolutely true. Cowboys with half a state to draw from are below 20,000 this season....not good enough either.

 

[nqboy]

Leave us out of the debate on crowds fanatique. I think we're carrying our share of the load, even in what, for us, is a below aferage year. Misleading lines like "half a state to draw from" (huge distances, travelling times and less people despite the size of the area) don't help your argument when they are so easily shot full of holes.

Let me know when all the Sydney clubs are up with our average.

 

[Timmah]

:roll:

Bring 6 or 7 more teams within the Townsville region and watch those crowds fall ;-)

 

[Timmah]

2007 HOME CROWD AVERAGES AFTER ROUND 8

Five Games
*Gold Coast - 28,698
Four Games
Brisbane - 34,034
*South Sydney - 20,211
Newcastle - 19,955
North Qld - 19,908
Sydney Roosters - 16,455
Bulldogs - 16,416
Parramatta - 14,885
Penrith - 14,731
Cronulla - 13,970
Warriors - 13,793
Canberra - 13,228
St Geo Illa - 10,157
Three Games
*Wests Tigers - 17,528
Manly - 15,613
Melbourne - 12,097

Therefore, overall:
Brisbane - 34,034
*Gold Coast - 28,698
*South Sydney - 20,211
Newcastle - 19,955
North Qld - 19,908
*Wests Tigers - 17,528
Sydney Roosters - 16,455
Bulldogs - 16,416
Manly - 15,613
Parramatta - 14,885
Penrith - 14,731
Cronulla - 13,970
Warriors - 13,793
Canberra - 13,228
Melbourne - 12,097
St Geo Illa - 10,157

* Wests Tigers average includes one game played at Bluetongue Stadium Gosford
* Gold Coast average includes two games played at Suncorp Stadium.
* South Sydney average includes one game played at Bluetongue Stadium Gosford.

:crazy:!

 

[Quidgybo]

:roll:

Bring 6 or 7 more teams within the Townsville region and watch those crowds fall ;-)

Multiply the population of the Townsville region (about 150,000 people) by at least 25 and you might have a point. Per head, there's just no contest between Townsville or even the whole of NQ (well under half a million in the 800,000 sq km from Mackay north) and Sydney.

Leigh.

 

[Hindyscrack]

:roll:

Bring 6 or 7 more teams within the Townsville region and watch those crowds fall ;-)

Yeah good one dipsh*t...

I thought you worked in tourism, remind everyone how big the city of townsville is...

 

[flamin]

NRL crowds compared to last year after 8 rounds

2006 - Total = 958,932 Avg = 17,123

2007 - Total = 1,109,379 Avg = 17,893 Increase of 4.5%

Crowds for NRL are up by 14.7% on 2006's avg for the season.

2006 - 15,601

2007 - 17,893

Teams home crowd avg above last years avg;
Brisbane
Canberra
Cronulla
Manly
Melbourne
New Zealand
North Queensland
Penrith
Souths
Sydney
Parramatta

Teams home crowd avg below last years avg
Canterbury-Bankstown
Newcastle
St-George
Wests

How are we going compared to 2005?

 

[t-ba]

Multiply the population of the Townsville region (about 150,000 people) by at least 25 and you might have a point. Per head, there's just no contest between Townsville or even the whole of NQ (well under half a million in the 800,000 sq km from Mackay north) and Sydney.

Leigh.

Well Under half a Million?

http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/queensla...omp-c01/qld-characteristics-sd-comp-c01.shtml
2001 census has North QLD at:

Mackay Region: 132,533
Northern (Townsville) Region: 183,290
Far North (Cairns) Region: 212,647
North West (Mt Isa) Region: 34,601
Total of North QLD: 563,071

The Population of QLD as a whole has grown by 15% since then as well...

In 2006, 236,175 people in North QLD attended NRL, Representative and Test Fixtures in North Queensland, for a per head count of 42 per 100 people.


the Greater Sydney SL was home to 3,948,015 people in 2001

in 2006, 1,616,393 attended the same type of fixtures...

41 people per 100...


This argument is of course completely contrived. It's a million times more fun to do it with Brisbane than an area like North QLD which clearly doesn't have attendance issues

 

[yosh64]

How are we going compared to 2005?

NRL crowds compared to 2005 after 8 rounds

2005 - Total = 1,004,835 Avg = 17,943

2007 - Total = 1,109,137 Avg = 17,893 Decrease of .3%

Crowds for NRL are up by 8.7% on 2005's avg for the season.

2005 - 16,468

2007 - 17,893

Teams home crowd avg above 2005 avg;
Brisbane
Canberra
Manly
Melbourne
New Zealand
Souths
Sydney


Teams home crowd avg below 2005 avg
Cronulla
Canterbury-Bankstown
Newcastle
North Queensland
Penrith
Parramatta
St-George
Wests

So as 2005 was a record year for crowds we are in the hunt to break the record this year. And dont worry if we get 15 and 16,000 crowds over the next 4 weeks as thats what happened in both 05 and 06.

 

[yosh64]

For those interested. I decided to see how each team was going compared to this time last year.

Each teams home attendance avg after 8 Round

Brisbane
2006 - 28,257
2007 - 34,034 - 30% increase (5)

South Sydney
2006 - 15,242
2007 - 20,211 - 36.7% increase (2)

Newcastle
2006 - 24,027
2007 - 19,955 - 17% decrease (12)

North Qld
2006 - 21,680
2007 - 19,908 - 8.2% decrease (9)

Wests Tigers
2006 - 20,406
2007 - 17,528 - 19.8% decrease (13)

Sydney Roosters
2006 - 15,798
2007 - 16,455 - 4.2% increase (7)

Bulldogs
2006 - 21,236
2007 - 16,416 - 22.7% decrease (14)

Manly
2006 - 16,929
2007 - 15,613 - 7.9% decrease (8)

Parramatta
2006 - 16,639
2007 - 14,885 - 10.5% decrease (11)

Penrith
2006 - 16,268
2007 - 14,731 - 9.5% decrease (10)

Cronulla
2006 - 11,963
2007 - 13,970 - 16.1% increase (6)

Warriors
2006 - 10,443
2007 - 13,793 - 32.7% increase (3)

Canberra
2006 - 10,076
2007 - 13,228 - 31.3% increase (4)

Melbourne
2006 - 8,265
2007 - 12,097 - 46.5% increase (1)

St Geo Illa
2006 - 14,424
2007 - 10,157 - 29.6% decrease (15)

 

[yosh64]

And also figured out what the change in attendance of the sydney teams is (these figures arent exact but are close to the correct figures, becomes difficult and time consuming to go through it all when they play at neutral grounds)

9 Syd teams avg after 8 rounds
2006 - 16,545
2007 - 15,215 - 8% decrease compared to this time last year

This doesnt mean that sydneysiders are sh*t. Just cause we have one bad year doesnt mean that we deserve to have it heaped on us. Its just a statistic, thats all. Either way i know where ill be using my first tax cut whenever we get it.

 

[bobmar28]

For those interested. I decided to see how each team was going compared to this time last year.

Each teams home attendance avg after 8 Round

Brisbane
2006 - 28,257
2007 - 34,034 - 30% increase (5)

South Sydney
2006 - 15,242
2007 - 20,211 - 36.7% increase (2)

Newcastle
2006 - 24,027
2007 - 19,955 - 17% decrease (12)

North Qld
2006 - 21,680
2007 - 19,908 - 8.2% decrease (9)

Wests Tigers
2006 - 20,406
2007 - 17,528 - 19.8% decrease (13)

Sydney Roosters
2006 - 15,798
2007 - 16,455 - 4.2% increase (7)

Bulldogs
2006 - 21,236
2007 - 16,416 - 22.7% decrease (14)

Manly
2006 - 16,929
2007 - 15,613 - 7.9% decrease (8)

Parramatta
2006 - 16,639
2007 - 14,885 - 10.5% decrease (11)

Penrith
2006 - 16,268
2007 - 14,731 - 9.5% decrease (10)

Cronulla
2006 - 11,963
2007 - 13,970 - 16.1% increase (6)

Warriors
2006 - 10,443
2007 - 13,793 - 32.7% increase (3)

Canberra
2006 - 10,076
2007 - 13,228 - 31.3% increase (4)

Melbourne
2006 - 8,265
2007 - 12,097 - 46.5% increase (1)

St Geo Illa
2006 - 14,424
2007 - 10,157 - 29.6% decrease (15)

Looks like the Dragons are the club keeping the average down.

 

[Timmah]

Dogs and Tigpies aren't doing too much better

 

[colonel_123]

Dogs and Tigpies aren't doing too much better

Some times the stats on their own don't mean too much, especially when it's only round 8.

For example Wests have had only three home games this year. One was played in round two at Leicchardt and drew 15 000 in the pouring rain. If it had been dry weather there would have been 18000+ plus there. The Campbelltown game against the Sharks drew 17000 despite Wests entering the match on a four game losing streak. Their other game was on the Central Coast and drew 19000.

I expect that if Wests can continue to win a few matches then their average will bounce back up.

(That being said I have a feeling this weekends crowd could be a bit disappointing. I remember they played on Mother's Day last year at Campbelltown and the crowd was below expectations so we'll see what happens on Sunday)

 

[Timmah]

I fear there isn't being enough hype being generated about a lot of matches.

 

[mattyg]

Dogs haven't had a blockbuster 32,000 crowd boosting up our average yet...shame though, i thought that would come against the Tigpies last week..maybe against the Broncos or Eels later in the year.

 

[Timmah]

Our remaining home matches don't look promising tbh. There are a lot of Parra fans I know who refuse to go to Telstra for Dogs games I think... a bit prejudicial but they have their reasons.

 

[flamin]

I fear there isn't being enough hype being generated about a lot of matches.

definately.

The only game in sydney that has been significantly hyped up was bulldogs and rabbits
and then weve had a couple games here and there where people were encouraged to go

 

[brendothejet]

every game every week should be hyped up but it isnt. nobody wants to put their mouth on the line anymore because fans, media outlets and anybody whose anybody gives them sh*t for it.

If we cut people a little slack for going around telling the world how good they are people would be more inclined to spruke the show.

 

[Nook]

If we cut people a little slack for going around telling the world how good they are people would be more inclined to spruke the show.

To be honest, Brendo, I'd cop a 1000 or two off the crowd average to avoid having a Mundine in every team talking sh*t 26 weeks a year.