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2008 Crowd Watch - Final Totals in Post #3778

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Timmah

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To help you out there with that myth ca81...

Average crowds 2000-2008
2008 16,082
2007 15,750
2006 15,600
2005 16,468
2004 14,671
2003 14,469
2002 13,084
2001 13,256
2000 14,366

Average crowds 1980-1989
1989 10,519
1988 10,071
1987 9,502
1986 9,708
1985 7,985
1984 7,576
1983 6,969
1982 8,476
1981 8,647
1980 9,881

http://stats.rleague.com/
 

t-ba

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After 100 yrs they need to build a strong foundation?

100 years is all good and well, but most clubs were more concerned about getting people into their pokie barns for the last 50 years than they were about crowds.

Contrary to popular opinion, you actually have to work on building and maintaining crowds. This is something that Sydney clubs weren't interested in for half a century, and are now paying the consequences.
 

t-ba

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I'm simply saying that crowds of 9,000 in an 80,000 seat stadium looks bad on TV, in fact it looks like our game is dying.

You can't have nine teams in the one city with 9,000 turning up to most games week after week. Forget history, this is happening now.

Yeah, because having 6 teams in one city with 9,000 turning up to most games week after week will help issues.

Killing clubs won't help. Clubs have to get off their arses and promote the game!
 

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Doubts over Rabbitohs crowds

Glenn Jackson | June 26, 2008

WITH two wins on the trot and Craig Wing returning, everything has been pointing up for South Sydney in recent days - but have crowd attendances been pushed too far up?
The Rabbitohs posted a crowd of 9827 as they defeated the Gold Coast for their third win of the season on Monday night at ANZ Stadium, but doubts have been raised about the figure.
The Herald captured photographs of the crowd on the night, raising questions about the number posted.
ANZ Stadium spokesman Kyle Patterson said it was up to the tenant to comment on crowd figures.
The Rabbitohs would not comment, fanning the fire. The NRL also refused to buy into the debate.
No matter. The facts remain, after the club shifted its home games to ANZ Stadium from the SFS - with about $100,000 guaranteed to the club for each home fixture - the Rabbitohs' attendances have been relatively poor this year as the team has struggled on the field. Some supporters have criticised the club for ditching their territory for financial gain.
The attendances at the stadium this year have led to questions being asked about how healthy it is for the game to have four clubs - Wests Tigers, St George Illawarra and the Bulldogs joining Souths - regularly playing out of Homebush.
Now, with doubts being raised about the accuracy of the figures, they will become even louder.
Make up your own mind.


http://www.leaguehq.com.au/news/news/doubts-over-rabbitohs-crowds/2008/06/25/1214073339073.html
 

Timmah

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Geez that's fuggin ordinary. Making a judgement on the crowd from any vantage point, especially a limited one like in that photo - is fraught with danger.

I have little doubt that figure is correct being a Bulldogs fan - looks to be about the same amount of people there as for our games.

When will the media stop undermining our game and start support it for f*ck sake?


BTW Tom Ace, does you banner imply that Souths and the Bulldogs are more attractive sides to support, even if we do cop a pounding on the odd occasion?
 
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Tom Ace

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Geez that's fuggin ordinary. Making a judgement on the crowd from any vantage point, especially a limited one like in that photo - is fraught with danger.

I have little doubt that figure is correct being a Bulldogs fan - looks to be about the same amount of people there as for our games.

When will the media stop undermining our game and start support it for f*ck sake?


BTW Tom Ace, does you banner imply that Souths and the Bulldogs are more attractive sides to support, even if we do cop a pounding on the odd occasion?


No.
 

Timmah

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my thoughts exactly. as far as the media goes, as a sport we get no favours.

Spot on. The Tele has gone one step further...

MYSTERY OF THE MISSING 2305...
SOUTH Sydney have conceded they include stadium workers, media, referees - and possibly players - when counting home crowds.
The stunning admission came after a special investigation into Monday night's attendance against Gold Coast Titans at ANZ Stadium.
After monitoring each turnstile, The Daily Telegraph's clickers tracked 7522 people into the ground from the time gates opened at 4.45pm until midway through the first half.
The Rabbitohs later announced an official crowd of 9827.
Rabbitohs CEO Shane Richardson last night confirmed "club staff, stadium staff, media and officials" partly accounted for the discrepancy of 2305 people.
"People that come from (our) club staff, the other club and referees don't come through the check system (turnstiles)," Richardson said.
"There's a whole range of people that go in through other entrances."
The revelation provides an insight into how clubs count crowds at a time when attendances are being monitored closely as Sydney's nine teams struggle for growth in a congested market.
A Souths statement emailed yesterday afternoon in response to The Daily Telegraph's survey added: "There were un-ticketed guests who entered via a staff gate that appear to have missed your scrutiny.
"Added to this are groups such as club staff, stadium staff, media, officials etc. who haven't been counted by The Daily Telegraph clickers."
The terms used in the statement are wide enough to in- clude players, referees, coaches, and mascots. Staff employed by the stadium, including cater- ers, waiters and customer service personnel, might also be inferred.
But aside from referees, Richardson declined to elaborate exactly which "guests" were counted over and above paying customers, season ticket-holders and corporate guests. He also declined to respond when asked whether paid-up season ticket- holders who did not attend had also been counted.
To further reconcile the discrepancy, Souths pointed to a VIP ground carpark entry used by players, match officials and selected corporates. Located on Level 0, the entry is not marked by a turnstile. It can be accessed by about 300 car spaces and guests who are specifically dropped at the door.
But neither the statement nor Richardson revealed how many people used the carpark entrance - or the above-ground un-ticketed entrance - on Monday night.
"The observers . . . made no allowance for corporate and VIP guests who arrived by car into ANZ Stadium's level 0 parking, nor guests who gained admission prior to the opening of public gates and therefore prior to their calculations," the statement read.
"Closing your count 25 minutes into the first half produced further errors. The official attendance count is concluded 10 to 15 minutes into the second half, as patrons continue to arrive until this time at every event."
The Daily Telegraph arrived at the venue an hour before gates opened and witnessed only a handful of patrons in the precinct. There was a line of just 15 people at one public entrance on the stadium's eastern side at 4.45pm.
Even fewer patrons were observed when the count ceased 15 minutes from halftime.
Richardson said he was "comfortable" with the official crowd.
"There's been no fudging of figures here," he said.
"I've got nothing more to say, no more information to give.
"We are more than comfortable that was the crowd."
ANZ Stadium declined to respond, on the basis that clubs are responsible for crowd counts.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/sport/nrl/story/0,26799,23921829-5006066,00.html


How they did it:

FOUR Daily Telegraph journalists - Josh Massoud, James Phelps, Justin Vallejo and Tyson Otto - were sent to ANZ Stadium on Monday afternoon.
A lap of the stadium was conducted, during which five separate entry points for fans (paying customers, Rabbitohs season ticket holders, members and corporate guests) were sighted. Two of these were located on the western side of the stadium and three on the east.
The journalists split into pairs, stationed on either side of the stadium - Massoud and Phelps on the east, Otto and Vallejo on the west.
All entry points were monitored from the time gates opened at 4.45pm until 25 minutes after kick-off.
Crowd counters - commonly called clickers - were used to track people as they passed through the turnstiles. Children and toddlers in prams who did not activate the turnstiles were included in our count.
Our final figure was 7522. South Sydney posted 9827 - a discrepancy of 2305 people.
Another two entry points were also in operation. There was a gate for staff and accredited pass-holders (including media) on the western side and the level 0 carpark entry for selected corporates, VIP guests, players, referees and match-day officials.
The Daily Telegraph elected not to monitor these points because the vast majority of people using them were working, not watching.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23921986-5001023,00.html
 

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What a load of horse sh*t. So four people managed 5 gates, yet they were able to "click" every single person who went through, without fail, even those who went through without a ticket? Did they not blink or turn their heads at any point? What about the people with media/free passes who can get in adjacent to Gate K, simply by flashing their pass?

As for the Herald's photo.. so every single patron is assumed to be at their seat at a time when there are NO players on the field? No one getting a meat pie, beer or taking a p*ss? Surely not?!

Everyone in the media has been talking about the inflated crowds at ANZ on the weekend - saying if Souths had 9800, then the Dragons and Bulldogs had 6,000 tops as there were a LOT more people there on Monday. Yet they target Souths. Surprise surprise.
 

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With two articles like that it's time for the Rabbitohs to dust off George and start organising a walk to Town Hall.

Why were the Rabbits singled out for this treatment?
 

yobbo84

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With two articles like that it's time for the Rabbitohs to dust off George and start organising a walk to Town Hall.

Why were the Rabbits singled out for this treatment?

Makes you wonder. Dennis Fitzgerald comes out this/last week and says he can't guarantee Parra's future beyond 5 years. Where was the commotion about that? Roosters v Panthers, a top eight clash a week ago on a Friday night gets 9,000. Where was the fuss about that?

The Telecrap had obviously decided on their story before sending their "journalists" out to do a count. What if their count had been awfully close to the reported figure? Would they have written an article about "Honest Rabbitohs post correct crowd"? Waste of time/resources that would've been. There was only going to be one result from such an exercise.

EDIT - You've also got to wonder why this article was posted on Thursday too. Maximise it's negative impact perhaps on a slow League news day??
 
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c_eagle

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Roosters v Sharks, a top of the table clash a week ago on a Friday night gets 9,000. Where was the fuss about that?

It's funny that people rag on the Telegraph for being a steaming heap of turd and then come out with statements like this.

When did this match happen? It's incredible that 9,000 came to a match that was never publicised, televised or even mentioned on the draw.
 

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It's funny that people rag on the Telegraph for being a steaming heap of turd and then come out with statements like this.

When did this match happen? It's incredible that 9,000 came to a match that was never publicised, televised or even mentioned on the draw.

Sorry I meant Roosters v Penrith (who were in the Top 8 at the time).
 
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It's funny that people rag on the Telegraph for being a steaming heap of turd and then come out with statements like this.

When did this match happen? It's incredible that 9,000 came to a match that was never publicised, televised or even mentioned on the draw.

Channel 9 were too busy plugging the "The corby's are boguns 3 hour special"
 

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It's funny that people rag on the Telegraph for being a steaming heap of turd and then come out with statements like this.

When did this match happen? It's incredible that 9,000 came to a match that was never publicised, televised or even mentioned on the draw.

Never mentioned on the draw? What, they just decided to randomly play a match? Idiot.
 
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