2011 Parra Football Club AGM

[Gronk]

I don't reckon they could organise a root in a brothel either but I don't see it as any reason to slash my wrists over it.

There is no better alternative to the current board. We're stuck with this one, do you understand?

If a better alternative becomes available you should vote for them. Until then all your whingeing is just showing the media that there are people who do want this story blown out of proportion day after day after day.

However if that's your goal then carry on.

My Dad is not slitting his writs over this thanks.

I have no problem with the Board remaining, I just want them to do a better job and keep out of the papers.

 

[ParraAds]

Agree Suity.

But I don't think the Board or individual directors should wear all the blame? They have a full-time Leagues CEO there who should be up to speed on stuff like this, and advise the Board accordingly before any decisions are ratified. Bentley is showing himself to be less than exemplary so far, but it's a big step up to go from Council HR to running a Leagues Club in two years if we're talking about appointments on merit....

In the Fitzy years we were all concerned we had a CEO controlling the Board too much - now it seems we have a Board that controls the CEO, who is incapable of putting in the necessary checks and balances. One day our club might get eventually it right... :crazy:

Bentley's distinguished HR background might not cover such mundane issues like Club membership rules and regulations but as CEO the buck stops with him.

It's another example of putting no thought or preparation whatsoever into a key decision at the Club. This mob are our own little version of the Labor Party.

The media exposed Osborne for what he is and the right outcome occurred, perhaps it's now time for Bentley to be put under the microscope.

The members deserve better.

 

[Delboy]

Gronk, we pay more attention to this minutiae than others

Most footy fans would not know we had an AGM and that Guru had an issue, I think because of our passion for the club we over react, the overwhelming majority wait for the action to start. My son coaches in the district, is good friends with some players and coaching staff and would not know this is going on behind the scenes, They talk about footy not this drivel

 

[Gronk]

Gronk, we pay more attention to this minutiae than others

Most footy fans would not know we had an AGM and that Guru had an issue, I think because of our passion for the club we over react, the overwhelming majority wait for the action to start. My son coaches in the district, is good friends with some players and coaching staff and would not know this is going on behind the scenes, They talk about footy not this drivel

You are right Delboy. Most people would not know what goes on and we do pay more attention to the minor details than others.

That aside, the trail of problems is not make believe and the concerns of many are valid.

 

[Suitman]

I agree with Gronk. It was an amatuerish mistake and once again we are in the papers for the wrong reasons. In saying that, I'm not losing sleep over it.

Suity

 

[MarkInTheStands]

You say all this now, but when you had the chance to tell us about the AGM you told us all the ways the board WERE MADE TO LOOK LIKE DAMN FOOLS!!! but couldn't be bothered to mention there wasn't one person there willing to second a no-confidence motion.

You say you love the club, but you're only willing to report on the elements that support your view that the board is shit and everybody wants them gone. You sound just like the media heads that are mates with Fitzgerald.

Mates with Fitzgerald.

I should wash your mouth out with soap you fool.

 

[Jodeci]

Yep, because this was a meeting of the football club, and not the Junior Rugby Leage. But I will bite. the other clubs are looking to leave because they can't compete with the Big 3, Cabra, Wenty and Mounties.

Now I heard from a parent down at the Bulls that PJRL is bringing in a law that no club can have more than 2 sides per age division, to indeed try to even out the talent across the board. But that would also mean that kids that turn up and play just for the sake of playing might be pushed out of playing for clubs like Hills, when the good players of age come back to the club.

Swings and roundabouts Del.

MITS

I have spoken to about 5 members who were present at the AGM.

You are making it sound like the floor members were throwing rocks at the Board and burning down the place.

 

[Delboy]

Suity/Gronk , agree but what ticks me off is that
1. These issues should have been avoided
2. A certain person happy to stick it up a club he once ran to prove a point, friggin childish

 

[MarkInTheStands]

MITS

I have spoken to about 5 members who were present at the AGM.

You are making it sound like the floor members were throwing rocks at the Board and burning down the place.

Jodeci, I was at the meeting, I spoke with 20 or so people, some of whom were staunch supporters of the current board no more than 2 years ago and were ready to come to blows with me over the previous board. Those supporters looked me in the eye and told me they thought it looked like amateur hour. Which it did.


The floor members were actually quite reserved, apart from the No Confidence motion I get the feeling several questions could have been followed up more aggressively, but I think some were keeping their power dry.

 

[Suitman]

Suity/Gronk , agree but what ticks me off is that
1. These issues should have been avoided
2. A certain person happy to stick it up a club he once ran to prove a point, friggin childish

Correct on both accounts Del.

Suity

 

[MarkInTheStands]

Suity/Gronk , agree but what ticks me off is that
1. These issues should have been avoided
2. A certain person happy to stick it up a club he once ran to prove a point, friggin childish

No joke, really it looks childish?

[/sarcasim]

Some would have you believe he commands a vast network of people who are loyal to him, that are working to undermine the current administrator. If that were the case, surely he could have gotten one of them to raise the point.


But your right his ego got in the way. Either that or he doesn't have this vast network that is spoken about.


Either way if someone else had raised it, they would have been called a Fitzy pawn. As I said when the election happened, the specter of Fitzgerald is going to hang over this club for a while, but his actually being around is perpetuating that.

 

[Jodeci]

I agree with Gronk. It was an amatuerish mistake and once again we are in the papers for the wrong reasons. In saying that, I'm not losing sleep over it.

Suity

That's what I'm trying to say

 

[Parra]

2. A certain person happy to stick it up a club he once ran to prove a point, friggin childish

No-one should be criticised for expecting a club constitution to be honored.

If people don't like the clause being enforced then remove the clause. You can't just ignore it.

 

[Delboy]

Parra, I look at this way, he could have attended to this quickly and effectively prior to the meeting and it would have been dealt with

I think grandstanding is another issue, and does nothing but pander to ego

I think we could always hope that people have the best interests of the club at heart, not your own personal missive.

 

[Parra]

I agree. But I can also see that Fitzgerald has a legitimate axe to grind.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

I think you are having difficulty in grasping the problem at hand. It is not the isolated incident of a Board member not being eligible to stand. It is on the on-going pattern of controversy which surrounds the club.

I think any fan-owned sporting organisation would face exactly these kinds of minor oversights on a daily basis. The club is run by volunteers elected by other fans - it looks like amateur hour because it is. And the system is set up to encourage this.

The difference between our club and most other clubs that are structured the same way is that our club has deep-seated divisions that stretch back a long time. I believe one person is responsible for this atmosphere of distrust and alienation that surrounds our club, but regardless, even if he left that atmosphere is here to stay.

It is part of the woodwork.

So because of this atmosphere of hostility there will always be someone ready to point out the faults when they inevitably occur, and there will always be someone ready to get the media involved and make it look like a much bigger issue than it would be at any other club.

You're right that they could give their opponents less ammo, but why should they bother when it makes no difference? They're volunteer part-timers. If a member is able to point out an oversight (as Fitzgerald has so kindly done :roll then it can be rectified there and then. All the harm done exists only in peoples' heads.

The club will ultimately live and die based on what happens on the field. That's where we earn our money and that's where we spend it. Whatever happens behind the scenes is irrelevant if it doesn't stop us signing players, staff or sponsors.

 

[Gronk]

I think any fan-owned sporting organisation would face exactly these kinds of minor oversights on a daily basis. The club is run by volunteers elected by other fans - it looks like amateur hour because it is. And the system is set up to encourage this.

The difference between our club and most other clubs that are structured the same way is that our club has deep-seated divisions that stretch back a long time. I believe one person is responsible for this atmosphere of distrust and alienation that surrounds our club, but regardless, even if he left that atmosphere is here to stay.

It is part of the woodwork.

So because of this atmosphere of hostility there will always be someone ready to point out the faults when they inevitably occur, and there will always be someone ready to get the media involved and make it look like a much bigger issue than it would be at any other club.

You're right that they could give their opponents less ammo, but why should they bother when it makes no difference? They're volunteer part-timers. If a member is able to point out an oversight (as Fitzgerald has so kindly done :roll then it can be rectified there and then. All the harm done exists only in peoples' heads.

The club will ultimately live and die based on what happens on the field. That's where we earn our money and that's where we spend it. Whatever happens behind the scenes is irrelevant if it doesn't stop us signing players, staff or sponsors.

Again you attempt to deflect the problems by claiming that they are excusable because some of the protagonists are unpaid or amateurs.

I recall that part of 3P's platform was that accepting mediocrity was part of the club culture and that changing that culture was paramount to their ideals....

 

[Suitman]

I agree. But I can also see that Fitzgerald has a legitimate axe to grind.

His axe to grind should be with the members.
They're the ones who voted his regime out.

Suity

 

[Parra]

His axe to grind should be with the members.
They're the ones who voted his regime out.

Suity

He can do it however he wants. AGM is a legitimate forum.

 

[Suitman]

He can do it however he wants. AGM is a legitimate forum.

Of course it is, but it doesn't mean it's any less childish.

Suity