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2011 Premiers = Melbourne Storm

oldmancraigy

Coach
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yea.. time to move on.. Storm gotta play out the year.. regain sponsors
rebuild the team for next season.. losing Lima, Tolman, Finch and Tandy who are all off contract.. wil put them under the cap..

they will field a side like this
1.Slater 600k
2.McDougal
3.Neilson
4.Inglis 600k
5.Quinn
6.Cam Smith 600k
7.Cronk 300k
8.Blair 300k
9.Hinchcliff
10.White 300k
11.Proctor
12.Hoffman 300k
13.Lowrie.

then they will win the 2011 premiership on 2nd of October.

Some quick calculations here:
3x600 = 1.8million
4x300 = 1.2million

That's only 1.2million to spend on your other 18 players. Or a whopping 66k each...

AND that's being conservative on the amounts that those players were receiving... reports had a 4th Storm player on 600k (no idea who that was?)...

Even as it stands, that forward pack is a bunch of powder puffs. They'll get dominated most nights - and with a couple of 66k backup props (that's Daniel Heckenburg quality - or much worse) I can't see much good happening there...

All the best trying to get that lineup out there - and even if you do, hope you enjoy your cut-price backups.

Actually adhering to the salary cap can be a tough thing can't it?
 

oldmancraigy

Coach
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so could blair

My mistake!! I was just underestimating the amount the Storm gave them in the cheating contracts to make a point that it's highly unlikely they would be able to keep that squad.

Gallop has suggested that they won't be allowed to renegotiate the values.. sooo could be big trouble?
 

This Year?

Immortal
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If you think that being over the cap is what made us the best.. then
your goin to be very shocked in 2011 when the Storm win it all.. again.

The Storm is a discrace to the greatest game of all. No matter what happens, the Storm will forever be known as cheats.
 
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I don't blame anyone for being pissed off and I'm not about to defend the actions of my club. Like someone else said before, all I want is a team to support next year and for others to understand why I'm continuing to support my team right now.
That's all.

Nothing like an honest sincere post. Makes me want to gift you a baseball bat for simostorm.
 

Jason Maher

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I don't blame anyone for being pissed off and I'm not about to defend the actions of my club. Like someone else said before, all I want is a team to support next year and for others to understand why I'm continuing to support my team right now.
That's all.

I don't know that anyone expects anything else from Melbourne supporters. I won't pretend to know why anyone supports the Storm, because I've always hated them and always will. But I know that any true fan will stick with their team no matter what. The Doggies fans did it 8 years ago, and the Melbourne fans are doing it now. I respect that.

Of course the other side of being a true fan is that you take every opportunity to hang sh*t on opposition teams and their supporters, on the flimsiest pretext. We all do it, and it is a big part of what makes the whole thing fun. And thank f**k that in this country, by and large, that banter doesn't turn into violent hatred. So expect to cop plenty of sh*t for a while yet (Dogs fans still cop it about '02, though I doubt it bothers any of them anymore).

Unfortunately, though, both these aspects of supporting a team sometimes get taken too far. Sticking to your team no matter what sometimes descends into defending the indefensible and/or being a complete and utter f**kwit. Sticking it to other supporters sometimes descends into delusional hatred completely divorced from reality and/or being a complete and utter f**kwit. We've seen plenty of examples of both over the last few days.

Anyway, verbosity aside, supporters like yourself are a credit to your team, sullied as their name is at this point. Melbourne will be back, with a massive point to prove. I hope like hell they fail in proving it, but somehow I don't think that will be the case.
 
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I don't know that anyone expects anything else from Melbourne supporters. I won't pretend to know why anyone supports the Storm, because I've always hated them and always will. But I know that any true fan will stick with their team no matter what. The Doggies fans did it 8 years ago, and the Melbourne fans are doing it now. I respect that.

Of course the other side of being a true fan is that you take every opportunity to hang sh*t on opposition teams and their supporters, on the flimsiest pretext. We all do it, and it is a big part of what makes the whole thing fun. And thank f**k that in this country, by and large, that banter doesn't turn into violent hatred. So expect to cop plenty of sh*t for a while yet (Dogs fans still cop it about '02, though I doubt it bothers any of them anymore).

Unfortunately, though, both these aspects of supporting a team sometimes get taken too far. Sticking to your team no matter what sometimes descends into defending the indefensible and/or being a complete and utter f**kwit. Sticking it to other supporters sometimes descends into delusional hatred completely divorced from reality and/or being a complete and utter f**kwit. We've seen plenty of examples of both over the last few days.

Anyway, verbosity aside, supporters like yourself are a credit to your team, sullied as their name is at this point. Melbourne will be back, with a massive point to prove. I hope like hell they fail in proving it, but somehow I don't think that will be the case.

Agree...it is the fools who cross the line and start getting personal or stating "look out when you come to Sydney" which was mentioned in another thread that are a worry.
 

_Johnsy

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Agree...it is the fools who cross the line and start getting personal or stating "look out when you come to Sydney" which was mentioned in another thread that are a worry.

Unfortunately every club has one of those.

Remember 1999 ?

I take he is your clubs one.
 

_Johnsy

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Gronk

I have not seen Princess on these forums for a while. I take it the lunatic asylum has restricted internet use.
 

wanted man

Juniors
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The NRL could help with the storms massive job to sort out how to get under the salary cap in 2011 by simply raising the cap by several hundred thousand next year. That would be say 200,000/300,000 the storm would not have to slash of current contracts.
Iam sure most clubs would welcome the increase to their own spending limits to help retain their own rosters.
All that has come out about the rorts aside we don't want storm players ending up in union or afl.
With proposed salary cap increases coming about soon due to the independent commission and the not to distant upgraded tv contact i say a salary increase next year would be a timely boost to the clubs and the game over all given we seem to be under attack from all sides at present.
Any salary cap increase next would likely only be a matter of bringing that increase forward by a year anyways.
This shouldn't be seen to be only for storms benifit, but all clubs as the broncos appear about to lose Folau to the melbourne rebels.
 

mickdo

Coach
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The NRL could help with the storms massive job to sort out how to get under the salary cap in 2011 by simply raising the cap by several hundred thousand next year. That would be say 200,000/300,000 the storm would not have to slash of current contracts.

They're reportedly on track to be over by 1.2 million next year :lol:
 

gronkathon

First Grade
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Melbourne stars would rather quit than play against long-time mates
GLENN JACKSON AND SEBASTIAN HASSETT

April 27, 2010
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Big loss ... Billy Slater may have to move on from Melbourne. Photo: Getty Images

MELBOURNE officials fear that not one of their star quartet - Greg Inglis, Billy Slater, Cameron Smith and Cooper Cronk - would ever play against the Storm, raising the prospects of at least one of them quitting the NRL completely as the club attempts to shed up to $1 million worth of talent in time for the 2011 season.
Senior staff believe a major loss for the club would likely result in a significant loss for the code. And it appears almost unavoidable given the significance of the Storm's potential cap breach for next season is likely to require them to release one of their biggest names.

Melbourne's acting chief executive Frank Stanton will hold talks today with the NRL's salary cap auditor Ian Schubert to seek clarification of exactly how far over the cap they are likely to be next year, given they are $700,000 over the $4.1m ceiling this year and some back-ended contracts have ballooned player payments into 2011.
Storm players remain stoic about their desire to take pay cuts to ensure the squad that has been illegally assembled will not be broken up, but that remains a forlorn hope as NRL chief executive David Gallop is reluctant to accept the option. That means there is little chance the club can avoid losing one or more of its big four.
All four players debuted in first grade for the club, and Storm officials believe the bond they share with each other will result in them quitting the NRL before they play against the club.
''I just don't think they'd go to any other club, and that's an issue for the game,'' a Melbourne insider said. ''We will be raising this with the NRL. I would think they would be more willing to move overseas or change codes than play against Melbourne.''
That is something that was hinted at by Storm captain Cameron Smith, who said yesterday: ''The majority of this team has been put together from kids. We've all worked together, for a long time, to get to where we are.''
All four will likely hold some bitterness towards the game as well, increasing the likelihood that rugby union clubs at home and abroad, English Super League and the AFL might prosper by the NRL's decision to punish the Storm so severely. The players are likely to be formally addressed by the Rugby League Players' Association tomorrow, after informal talks following their win over the Warriors. The union's chief executive, David Garnsey, and general manager, Jamie Barrington, will also meet NRL officials today to be updated on their position.
Garnsey and Barrington spoke to the Storm players at the club's after-match function on Sunday, but plan to fly to Melbourne again tomorrow for more formal talks. ''We just need to understand where they want to head with all this,'' Garnsey said.
Smith maintained his players would consider pay cuts to keep the squad intact. ''I don't think it's a something [people understand],'' he said. ''I can't explain to you guys and I don't think you'll ever understand and I don't think anyone else will ever understand what we have at this club and it's not something we want to give away lightly.
''I think there's talk about how we have to lose players and all the rest of it to be under the cap, but if we can find a way, a similar thing to what the Bulldogs did, they worked out a way to stay together. That's what our game is about. It's about building a strong team, a strong bond together and trying to keep that bond together as long as we can.
''We haven't spoken about it at length. There's been guys speaking here and there about it but I'm pretty certain - and I'm pretty sure I speak on behalf of all the boys - we know we've got a special bond at this club.''
When pressed about the changes that would have to be made, Smith said: ''Well, from the players and the coach's understanding, that's what we've done for the past five years. Have a look at the calibre of blokes we've had to lose; Steve Turner, Dallas Johnson, Matt King, Scott Hill, Ben Cross, the list goes on, every year.''


See it is actually more than likely over the current figure for next year actually.

I know Smith is not the sharpest tool in the shed but he has had to have been told by now that under the NRL's policy structure taking pay cuts is not an acceptable fashion to bring yourself back under the cap
 

Noa

First Grade
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According to who?

Apparently the now ex-CEO, Matt Hansen was aghast at Waldrons practices and had put in strategies to get the overs down ASAP.

From what Ive gathered so far this involved moving on (or not re-signing) some of, if not all of Tolman, Lima, McDougall, Hinchcliffe, Norrie, Tandy, Finch. Thats roughly 700k coming off the books at the end of the season, add the latest rumour that Hoffman and White will also go and that is over $1.2 million saved.

Anyway here's the article

IN the three months after Brian Waldron departed as Melbourne Storm CEO, his replacement desperately tried to lower the amount of the club's salary cap breach.

Overspending had snowballed from $200,000 in 2006 and 2008 to $400,000 in 2009 and $700,000 in 2010.
When Matt Hanson took over as acting CEO in January, he knew he had to move to reduce the spending.
While Hanson has been stood down since news of the scandal became public, it's understood he had already trimmed almost $500,000 from the player salary budget for 2011.
http://media.dailytelegraph.com.au/files/slideshow/storm.html
One source suggested yesterday he had already managed total player payments down over the next two seasons, leaving the Storm only $230,000 over the cap in 2011 and $260,000 over in 2012.

It has been made clear since the scandal broke that the amount of the club's breach on player salaries had snowballed from an average of $200,000 a year between 2006 and 2008, to $400,000 for 2009 and $700,000 for 2010.
At least one player agent was trying to negotiate a new contract for an emerging star this year and was told by Hanson words to the effect of: "This is all we can pay."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ch-for-the-storm/story-e6frexs0-1225858550782

The emerging star is pretty obvious.
 
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