2011 wild predictions

[rnb11]

Playing Kurt at halfback would be weakening one position to make another position stronger that may not need strengthening. Coastbloke how do you know Henry will be crap? Isn't it worth giving him a go so we can leave Gids to do what he does best at the back? It's not like Beau Henry is just some random guy that's done nothing in his career, he's proven himself in one competition, outplaying hundreds to be awarded the best of 2009 so when does he get the opportunity to go to the next level? It's like telling Muhammad Ali that he isn't ready to turn pro even with a 134-7 amateur record. He has to be given his opportunity to prove himself. We brought him here to play first grade, to partner Jarrod Mullen and to be the future of the Knights, show some respect for him and the team. To say the Knights won't do well if he plays is pretty low imo...

 

[otori]

What with 8000 posts maybe you can get a life instead...??

I've never understood bagging out people for having no life when you're posting on an internet forum. It's like going to get unemployment payments from Centrelink and telling everyone there how poor they are.

 

[Yosh]

Can we get back on track?

Coast: I'm on 3000 and I'm still considered a tool around here hahaha! Just make a new ID and start anew bro! That's my 2 cents!

 

[aqua_duck]

How can I be a tool for wanting the Knights into the Top 4 and ultimately the GF for 2011...??

It's the so called experts on this forum (with their 20,000 posts and NFI) that are tools for trying to derail the Knights 2011 campaign by having some nobody from the U20s as some sort of saviour when the best performing halfback for the Knights in 2010 is being sent back to FB just because that's where they like him..??

Hopefully the coaching staff know better and are training Kidley where he can be better utilised..

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If Beau Henry is a nobody from the U20's than I guess from here on in all NYC players are hereby declared nobodies

 

[roopy]

If Beau Henry is a nobody from the U20's than I guess from here on in all NYC players are hereby declared nobodies

All NYC players are nobodies - by definition, till they have played in the NRL and done well, they are nobodies.

 

[Noname36]

All NYC players are nobodies - by definition, till they have played in the NRL and done well, they are nobodies.

That doesn't mean that they're going to fail for sure though (which is what coastbloke is sure Henry is going to do).

 

[Frederick]

All NYC players are nobodies - by definition, till they have played in the NRL and done well, they are nobodies.

Unless they're in the Knights NYC team, right roops?

 

[Pika]

All NYC players are nobodies - by definition, till they have played in the NRL and done well, they are nobodies.

Not in my book.

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Making the NRL full stop is a brilliant effort in anyone's book. Most who get there deserve to be there whether short term or long term. It is just too important to get the timing right in this day and age for coaches to use guess work and hope. A kids career is all about timing. You have to be ready. Many kids are loaded with talent but do not make grade for a mixture of reasons. The nobodies tag is so unnecessary in this day and age. I don't consider anyone on this board a nobody.

 

[Coastbloke]

Well if you had a life you'd have more to do than sit around and constantly bag out a kid who hasn't even been given a shot yet.

This is the NRL Comp. This toughest football competition of any code in the word..

You don't give someone a 'shot' (unless you've run out options)

Results speak for themselves. Kidley at halfback last year was a resounding success..

That's where you put him. Another comment on here has putting Kidley at seven means weakining the FB position..

Huh..??!!

Whether you like it or not McDonnell was a fine custodian. The board thought so or they wouldn't have signed -what - another 2 years..??

Then there's Wes..

 

[Coastbloke]

I've never understood bagging out people for having no life when you're posting on an internet forum. It's like going to get unemployment payments from Centrelink and telling everyone there how poor they are.

Chill mate, I've been called far worse on here for having a opinion..

Go through this thread and my original thread about Kurt Gidley staying at halfback and our best spine and I don't see you running to my defence and giving me a big cyberhug.. :lol:

8000 post jibe, they must be bawling into their Earl Greys with shattered self esteem.. :roll:

 

[Coastbloke]

Making the NRL full stop is a brilliant effort in anyone's book. Most who get there deserve to be there whether short term or long term. It is just too important to get the timing right in this day and age for coaches to use guess work and hope. A kids career is all about timing. You have to be ready. Many kids are loaded with talent but do not make grade for a mixture of reasons. The nobodies tag is so unnecessary in this day and age. I don't consider anyone on this board a nobody.

Good post..Even the last line - because I'm guilty of calling Henry that - but in context I meant that at a NRL standard..

I'm sure he's a good footballer. Just not our best halfback option..

 

[roopy]

It's a huge step from NYC to NRL.
Just look at the journey of someone like Joel Edwards. He was an absolute standout in NYC, but he has had to improve every aspect of his game a huge amount to just be a fringe NRL player, and if he doesn't keep improving, this could be his last year.

I've never seen Henry play, but i've never seen a star in the under 20 step easily into NRL - not SBW, not Kade Snowden, not Kurt Gidley, not any player i can remember.

I wish Henry well, but i'll be amazed if he starts the season as a polished firstgrader, very surprized if he starts as a struggling firstgrader, and pretty happy if he manages to play some decent firstgrade at some point in the year.

 

[Alex28]

I'll be expecting it, but in that case, I guess you won't be spending much time on here then...

What with 8000 posts maybe you can get a life instead...??

Let me get this straight - you are bagging me about posting on a forum through posting on a forum?

You lost me at McDonnell being a decent first grade fullback. Your agenda is flawed. Give up.

 

[Yosh]

Conspiracy Theory Alert:

Roopy is Coastbloke!:crazy:

 

[rnb11]

Roopy you're not alone, noone is expecting him to be a polished first grader from round 1. We all understand that he's a kid with alot of improvement and will more than likely struggle to begin with but the signing of him is a signing for the future. Like you said, it takes a while for a young player to be a star so we have to get the process started straight away. What's the point of having a kid with enormous potential if we're never going to give him a shot to fulfill it.

And Coastbloke if you don't think Wes or McDonnell is weakening our fullback position then really, you shouldn't think Henry would be weakening our halfback position. You're the only Knights fan Ive come across to think Gidley is best at halfback and Henry shouldn't be tried. That's gotta say something.

 

[aqua_duck]

It's a huge step from NYC to NRL.
Just look at the journey of someone like Joel Edwards. He was an absolute standout in NYC, but he has had to improve every aspect of his game a huge amount to just be a fringe NRL player, and if he doesn't keep improving, this could be his last year.

Difference is Joel Edwards hasn't got half the talent Beau Henry has. Edwards wasn't a stand out in NYC like Beau Henry was. I'd say Edwards would be considered decent by NYC standards, not really close to making team of the year or anything in my eyes and he succeeded in NYC because of grit and determination. He also plays in a position where players don't tend to stand out till their mid 20's usually.
Henry on the other hand was considered elite at NYC level, not solid or decent like Edwards. He showed more ability in one game (against the broncos?) than Edwards showed in his entire NYC career.

I've never seen Henry play, but i've never seen a star in the under 20 step easily into NRL - not SBW, not Kade Snowden, not Kurt Gidley, not any player i can remember.

I wish Henry well, but i'll be amazed if he starts the season as a polished firstgrader, very surprized if he starts as a struggling firstgrader, and pretty happy if he manages to play some decent firstgrade at some point in the year.

I'll name you atleast a dozen players who've recently graduated from NYC and made a quick transition to 1st grade

*Josh Dugan
*Lachlan Coote
*Daniel Vidot
*Nathan Gardner
*Jarrod Croker
*Andrew Fifita
*Aidan Tolman
*Sam McKendry
*Kyle Stanley
*Kieran Foran
*Jared Warea Hargreaves
*Blake Ferguson
*Jamal Idris
*Russell Packer
*Ben Matulino

Thats just off the top of my head. From that list 8 have already played some sort of rep football, Vidot is a huge chance of playing for QLD this year, and Tolman was considered a NSW hopeful last year before injury.
Sure NYC players won't be superstar in their 1st year but playing for your country within 12 months of graduating from NYC is IMO a fair reflection that someone has easily made the transition

 

[roopy]

*Josh Dugan
*Lachlan Coote
*Daniel Vidot
*Nathan Gardner
*Jarrod Croker
*Andrew Fifita
*Aidan Tolman
*Sam McKendry
*Kyle Stanley
*Kieran Foran
*Jared Warea Hargreaves
*Blake Ferguson
*Jamal Idris
*Russell Packer
*Ben Matulino

I don't know the full details of all those guys, but all the ones i do know were in and out of firstgrade for at least half a season, and many are still no sure things to be named every week after a season or two.
They aren't examples of instant firstgraders, they are examples of guys who made the transition - and i'm sure someone who followed all teams in NYC could do up a list of guys who looked equally talented who we have now forgotton - guys like Tovo and Neenan Simpson who were guys who came to our club with big reputations who are now 'exploring their options'.

 

[rnb11]

What more does Henry have to do to get some respect and encouragement Roopy & Coastbloke. He's dominated the NYC but you say that means nothing until he plays well in first grade... but then you don't want him to play first grade!? Wth.

I just don't understand why you guys are being so hard on him when he could very well be the solution to all our troubles. There's far more signs there saying he'll be a success rather than a failure so let him play and see if he lives up to his reputation. If he doesn't then go ahead and chop him down but right now he's here to do great things for the team and that as Knights fans should be encouraged.

 

[macavity]

Add Kevin Locke to that list of bloody impressive players.

We have 3 of the most likely to make that jump next.

I don't know the full details of all those guys, but all the ones i do know were in and out of firstgrade for at least half a season, and many are still no sure things to be named every week after a season or two.
They aren't examples of instant firstgraders, they are examples of guys who made the transition - and i'm sure someone who followed all teams in NYC could do up a list of guys who looked equally talented who we have now forgotton - guys like Tovo and Neenan Simpson who were guys who came to our club with big reputations who are now 'exploring their options'.

You aren't seriously comparing Sione Tovo and Neenan Simpson to Josh Dugan and Ben Matulino are you?