2012 NSW soo side..

[gUt]

Under this selection criteria wouldn't have Hindmarsh been a Origin legend by now? Wouldn't Chris Heighington had played origin by now? and Corey Parker would be in the starting QLD pack?

Qld goes with a couple of tackling machines every chance they get and it can't be a bad idea.

IMO Hindmarsh should never have been dropped from NSW, at best he should be dropped to make way for the current set of backrowers; Lewis, The Mong, Bird, Stewart, Scott or Fensom if you want an updated tacklebeast in yon pack.

NSW has won in the past with a fast/skillful pack strategy and it wouldn't be a bad idea if Qld bring a big side. Some creativity in the forwards from Stewart, Bird, Gallen, Lewis and whatever hooker they go with would maybe take Qld's backs out of the game somewhat.

Creative forwards would take the pressure off The Myth and if NSW pick matchwinners in their outside backs they might just lose 2-1 this year.

 

[Big Pete]

100 metres per game in 70 minutes.

If we're using DoggiesBro mathematics sure. But it's more like 80m per game.

Should definitely come into consideration, but at this stage he has a few players infront of him.

IMO Hindmarsh should never have been dropped from NSW, at best he should be dropped to make way for the current set of backrowers;

Hindsight is bitch.

Heading into 2008 Hindmarsh was coming off 2 relatively disappointing series where he was a virtual non-threat. He may have had the defence and the work-load but NSW had plenty of players capable of that and more. In the end, they went with two inexperienced but promising players in Gallen & Laffranchi plus Fitzgibbon who was apart of the in-form Roosters pack at the time. Throw in Hoffman & Tupou who were causing all sorts of damage down the flanks plus 2 players who had always stood up for NSW in Mason & Simpson and you had your pack.

Now I can understand personal preferences and maybe even questioning the omission of eventual premiers Watmough & G. Stewart but the point is NSW had made plans to include a defensive unit in the side but for various reasons it just didn't work out for them.

After last year, I don't know why NSW wouldn't select Scott. I knew he was playing well once he was not only frustrating the players, but myself as well. That's what you need at that level. A guy who can do a bit of niggle, but back it up just as well.

 

[THE CHAMP]

Qld goes with a couple of tackling machines every chance they get and it can't be a bad idea.

IMO Hindmarsh should never have been dropped from NSW, at best he should be dropped to make way for the current set of backrowers; Lewis, The Mong, Bird, Stewart, Scott or Fensom if you want an updated tacklebeast in yon pack.

NSW has won in the past with a fast/skillful pack strategy and it wouldn't be a bad idea if Qld bring a big side. Some creativity in the forwards from Stewart, Bird, Gallen, Lewis and whatever hooker they go with would maybe take Qld's backs out of the game somewhat.

Creative forwards would take the pressure off The Myth and if NSW pick matchwinners in their outside backs they might just lose 2-1 this year.[/QUOTE]




Bluddy smartarse. Great call.

 

[THE CHAMP]

If we're using DoggiesBro mathematics sure. But it's more like 80m per game.

Should definitely come into consideration, but at this stage he has a few players infront of him.



Hindsight is bitch.

Heading into 2008 Hindmarsh was coming off 2 relatively disappointing series where he was a virtual non-threat. He may have had the defence and the work-load but NSW had plenty of players capable of that and more. In the end, they went with two inexperienced but promising players in Gallen & Laffranchi plus Fitzgibbon who was apart of the in-form Roosters pack at the time. Throw in Hoffman & Tupou who were causing all sorts of damage down the flanks plus 2 players who had always stood up for NSW in Mason & Simpson and you had your pack.

Now I can understand personal preferences and maybe even questioning the omission of eventual premiers Watmough & G. Stewart but the point is NSW had made plans to include a defensive unit in the side but for various reasons it just didn't work out for them.

After last year, I don't know why NSW wouldn't select Scott. I knew he was playing well once he was not only frustrating the players, but myself as well. That's what you need at that level. A guy who can do a bit of niggle, but back it up just as well.

Now i know why i hate Scott so much. Thanks Pete.

 

[typicalfan]

Hindmarsh imo sadly is past origin. He didn't deserve to get cut when he did and deserved to play in the last few series. He saves more tries than the NSW backrow combined but there are signs that his style of play is catching up to him. I blame the Eels for allowing it to happen, he was a really great running backrower, quite fast and a good offload but now he runs on 80% to get through 80 minutes. I think he will retire at the end of the year.

 

[abpanther]

I think one of the keys is that you need to pick a team that compliments each other, that's is why last year's team go pretty close, due to the amount of Dragons players in the team and many of them complimented each other.

I'm obviously a big Luke Lewis fan, problem is I don't think you can start both him and Bird in the same team as they are too similar a player. Both are not metre-eaters, but rather verstatile and mobile backrowers who can play with the ball in hand and offer another point of attack. Problem is if you pick both of them then you lose some metre gaining ability in the backrow.

Who do you pick then? Obviously just depends on your preference.

A guy who I think deserves mention is Chris Houston, I think he could be a real bolter this year

 

[jbl31649]

G.Stewart was a bit quite in the WCC, he wasn't playing his normal game so I have to question if he fits in SOO as yet.

 

[Spanner in the works]

Hindmarsh in his day was an absolute Origin star.
Heighington is another that merits consideration, but like previous workers, the blues seem to favour flash over genuine hard work... probably why the qlders have won 6 series in a row

whats that old saying about doing the same thing every time and expecting different results?

This.

Qld goes with a couple of tackling machines every chance they get and it can't be a bad idea.

And this.

We are deadset morons with our selection strategies and the biggest failing has been in the pack. If you look back over the years, I think you'll find the vast majority of our Origin forward stars have been workers. If it were up to me, I would pick a core forward pack of:

8. Gallen
9. Gidley
10. Tolman
11. Scott
12. Lewis
13. Fensom

14. TLL
15. Douglas
16. Mannah/Snowden
17. Bird

Fensom. Queensland style player. Huge workrate, does all the little things, boring as shit. Perfect for Origin. Tolman. Queensland style player. Huge workrate, does all the little things, boring as shit. Perfect for Origin. Gallen. Queensland style player. Huge workrate, does all the little things, boring as shit. Perfect for Origin. f**k the flair in the forwards - we only need one or two players to provide that. Bird and Lewis have that well covered. We need a pack that can do the tough stuff and stick around for that bit longer. Gallen, Tolman and Fensom do that. Queensland kills us every year picking mentally tough forwards. We pick a bunch of fairies like Hoffman, Kite and Creagh, somehow expecting a different result. Pretty much after every series in the past 5 years, the one big thing I come away thinking was that we needed one or two less "exciting" forwards and one or two more tough forwards. Forwards who won't hide from hard work. Forwards who won't take a backward step if Queensland gets up in their face.

 

[abpanther]

That would have to be the smallest starting props we've ever had.

I maintain that Tolman is just too small to play Origin IMO.

If you want a worker with size, why not go with someone like Douglas/Snowden/Mannah/Grant, big workrate, good size, young with plenty of potential

 

[watatank]

We have gone with players with size in the past who have been off the pace

 

[abpanther]

We have gone with players with size in the past who have been off the pace

Well maybe we are picking the wrong players, seems that QLD has no problem picking props with size who are up to the pace.

 

[typicalfan]

G.Stewart was a bit quite in the WCC, he wasn't playing his normal game so I have to question if he fits in SOO as yet.

Being sarcastic?

 

[watatank]

Well maybe we are picking the wrong players, seems that QLD has no problem picking props with size who are up to the pace.

I agree but our props aren't as good.

Tolman is small but his workrate is much higher than others so I guess what I was trying to say is that he's less likely to fall off the pace and that needs to be taken into account. Also the fact that he defends very well, again with a high workrate

 

[Raider_69]

I like Tolman, i think he's tailor made for origin, i cant believe i forgot him in my previous origin team i named.

As per his size... arguably one of the best front rowers to ever lace a boot, the stalwart of the qld forward pack - Shane Webcke was 183cm and roughly 110kg, Ben Hannant who has always held his own in Origin football is 184cm and 106kgs... Aiden Tolman is 183cm and 103kgs. He only needs to put on a few more kgs and he's right there.

But he's a worker, he just rips in, plays long minutes, racks up yardage and does the hard work. Exactly what we need. All fit and healthy, Tolman, Gallen, TLL (if for nothing else but for the aggressive, explosive, belt each other up opening 30 minutes) and Douglas/Snowden/Mannah (which ever is in best form), that should be the NSW front row.


*stats as per wiki

 

[typicalfan]

Tolman could easily play as a "lock" in origin. Play the lock like an extra prop but with extra stamina and keep him out there for longer. He and Fensom would be ideal as competitors for that spot.

 

[jbl31649]

Being sarcastic?

No. He normally gets involved in the attacking players, especially near the line, but he might still be finding his match fitness. I'm not writing him off, just need to see more games.

 

[typicalfan]

No. He normally gets involved in the attacking players, especially near the line, but he might still be finding his match fitness. I'm not writing him off, just need to see more games.

Don't read too much about origin in trial form. It is just for combinations and overcoming rustiness. Stewart won the CC medal remember and has a good skillset. Probably not a metre man but would be in calculations. For me anyway.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Why does everyone keep mentioning Snowden? No thanks, overrated. Fat and lazy.

 

[Spanner in the works]

That would have to be the smallest starting props we've ever had.

I maintain that Tolman is just too small to play Origin IMO.

If you want a worker with size, why not go with someone like Douglas/Snowden/Mannah/Grant, big workrate, good size, young with plenty of potential

The size is on the bench. Did you not see that? TLL, Snowden, Douglas and Mannah are all there. Besides, size is overrated. Workrate and ticker is everything in Origin. Size is just a bonus. What do we do? Go back to Weyman? King? Perry? Kite? Pfft.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Why does everyone keep mentioning Snowden? No thanks, overrated. Fat and lazy.

He may be overrated to a degree but fat and lazy he is not

Lets just see how he's going come SOO time