2015 Crowd Watch part II

[seanoff]

10k seems approx right, it's not a 18k stadium like leichardt. its a good 26-27k

21 in that config. The broadcast side was very sparse, as was the end.

 

[user_nat]

Looks a solid 18-19k at AAMI

 

[DC_fan]

They have counted ghosts to get that number. Seriously.

If the Titans were as good a team as they were exaggerating their crowds they would be unbeatable.

 

[Brutus]

10k seems right for the Titans.

 

[Canard]

21 in that config. The broadcast side was very sparse, as was the end.

How have they reduced capacity?

Isn't it just what bays are on sale?

 

[seanoff]

How have they reduced capacity?

Isn't it just what bays are on sale?

One end is not for sale and covered with ads. So the stadium running reduced capacity. Obviously they havent taken them away, but the effect is the same.

 

[user_nat]

Was 18067 at AAMI

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Nice work Melbourne.

Great stadium. Probably the best looking 18k crowd in rugby league world wide

Makes 18k feel like 30k on TV

 

[fanatique]

Crowds are a real concern. The comp is too long and there is a distinct lack of buzz and excitement around the game ATM. Remember reading one of the 5 year goals for the NRL (from 2 years ago?) was average crowds of 20000. Much soul searching to be done before we get there

Not a real concern no. A slight disappointment but not a real concern.

Every year this thread is a litany of "coulda woulda shoulda" about attendances. We are told that predictable attendances are "not good enough" or "poor" or "prove that one club or other has no fans"

The fact is that we have a game which attracts an average Home and away attendance of about 16,000. With some minor ups and downs we have been as near as dammit to 16,000 every year for a decade. That's not what we could, should, may, might or ought to draw.......it is what we DO IN FACT draw and it is no disaster. It's the best attended rugby league in the world.

20,000 is an aspiration. it would be great to reach it but not a disaster if we don't. We never have before and barring entirely unpredictable circumstances we probably cannot.!!!

If in 5 years time we are averaging anything north of 17,000 that is a result and I'll be delighted.

 

[CC_Roosters]

Not a real concern no. A slight disappointment but not a real concern.

Every year this thread is a litany of "coulda woulda shoulda" about attendances. We are told that predictable attendances are "not good enough" or "poor" or "prove that one club or other has no fans"

The fact is that we have a game which attracts an average Home and away attendance of about 16,000. With some minor ups and downs we have been as near as dammit to 16,000 every year for a decade. That's not what we could, should, may, might or ought to draw.......it is what we DO IN FACT draw and it is no disaster. It's the best attended rugby league in the world.

20,000 is an aspiration. it would be great to reach it but not a disaster if we don't. We never have before and barring entirely unpredictable circumstances we probably cannot.!!!

If in 5 years time we are averaging anything north of 17,000 that is a result and I'll be delighted.

No i disagree. We are seeing the level for acceptable crowds lowered for the past 2 years and the result is seeing us head fornan average of 15k rather than any growth at all. The sudden decreases after a period of stability is a symptom of how the game is viewed by its fans at the moment and it isnmostly negative. Ticket prices, sub standard stadia and 3/4 of the season being night time footy has built up frustrations to the point where many are staying at home

 

[DC_fan]

Not a real concern no. A slight disappointment but not a real concern.

Every year this thread is a litany of "coulda woulda shoulda" about attendances. We are told that predictable attendances are "not good enough" or "poor" or "prove that one club or other has no fans"

The fact is that we have a game which attracts an average Home and away attendance of about 16,000. With some minor ups and downs we have been as near as dammit to 16,000 every year for a decade. That's not what we could, should, may, might or ought to draw.......it is what we DO IN FACT draw and it is no disaster. It's the best attended rugby league in the world.

20,000 is an aspiration. it would be great to reach it but not a disaster if we don't. We never have before and barring entirely unpredictable circumstances we probably cannot.!!!

If in 5 years time we are averaging anything north of 17,000 that is a result and I'll be delighted.

It would want to be the best attended league competition in the world. All the other club competitions are either 2nd rate as in the ESL who draw crowds considerable less then the NRL does or 10th rate as in everywhere else who outside of a few family members and close friends draw no one.

In 2012 the ave. NRL crowd was 16,423. It dropped in 2013 and again last year. This year the average has continued to drop to a level not seen since 2008 and we havent reached Origin time when crowds really do suffer.

Having a crowd average of 20,000 is not an aspiration, it is a goal of the NRL. If the NRL and clubs were not concerned about crowds then why have they discounted ticket prices?

In my opinion crowds are a true indication on the strength of a sport.

 

[Canard]

It would want to be the best attended league competition in the world. All the other club competitions are either 2nd rate as in the ESL who draw crowds considerable less then the NRL does or 10th rate as in everywhere else who outside of a few family members and close friends draw no one.

In 2012 the ave. NRL crowd was 16,423. It dropped in 2013 and again last year. This year the average has continued to drop to a level not seen since 2008 and we havent reached Origin time when crowds really do suffer.

Having a crowd average of 20,000 is not an aspiration, it is a goal of the NRL. If the NRL and clubs were not concerned about crowds then why have they discounted ticket prices?

In my opinion crowds are a true indication on the strength of a sport.

Are these Stats correct or from Buzz Rothfield?

 

[mongoose]

In my opinion crowds are a true indication on the strength of a sport.

So I guess you are one of those fools who think the Swans are the most popular team in Sydney even though they barely ever get more than 100k watching on TV in Sydney.

 

[Timmah]

Are these Stats correct or from Buzz Rothfield?

The 2012-2013 drop was about 500 per game to 15,940. The drop in 2014 was only another 35 per game to 15,905.

I have concerns about this season meeting those figures, just gotta hope for a strong final run home after Origin I guess. juro's graph's alone are cause for concern.

 

[Canard]

The 2012-2013 drop was about 500 per game to 15,940. The drop in 2014 was only another 35 per game to 15,905.

I have concerns about this season meeting those figures, just gotta hope for a strong final run home after Origin I guess. juro's graph's alone are cause for concern.

Historically the bigger crowds do come with the run up to the finals.

Some positive's should be noted though.

The great turnout in Melbourne and Townsville for example

 

[DC_fan]

Are these Stats correct or from Buzz Rothfield?

They come from the following website http://afltables.com/rl/rl_index.html

Don't let the AFL in the web address confuse anyone, it is a website that covers both the NRL and AFL.

 

[DC_fan]

Historically the bigger crowds do come with the run up to the finals.

Some positive's should be noted though.

The great turnout in Melbourne and Townsville for example

These were two great positives for the weekend.

 

[Clifferd]

Only 100 or so at u20s right now...pathetic

 

[BuffaloRules]

No i disagree. We are seeing the level for acceptable crowds lowered for the past 2 years and the result is seeing us head fornan average of 15k rather than any growth at all. The sudden decreases after a period of stability is a symptom of how the game is viewed by its fans at the moment and it isnmostly negative. Ticket prices, sub standard stadia and 3/4 of the season being night time footy has built up frustrations to the point where many are staying at home

Staying at home and still watching on TV it seems. Must be why projections are so high for the next TV deal.

Lower crowds are not unique to the NRL at present.The AFL, Super 15 and A-League crowds are all down as well the last couple of years. Perhaps there are other factors at work.

Look, I would love to see crowds on the increase as I enjoy going to games myself, but provided more income is flowing into the game through other areas, I don't think its wrist slashing time.

 

[Perth Red]

If it wasn't for afl's ridiculous good attendance culture we wouldn't be so concerned with crowds I feel. I do think to say it doesn't matter as long as people are sat on their couches watching is a bit short sighted from a club revenue point of view and also from a public perception of the vibrancy of the sport. Seeing games played in empty stadiums is not going to make none fans become fans. Like it or not atmosphere at the ground adds to the entertainment spectacle of a game hence why we need better crowds. Playing gamEs in 25k stadiums with the aim of 20k crowds should be the goal.. Stop worrying about reconfiguring ANZ or putting a roof on allianz and get some decent 25k new club stadiums built.