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2016 Crowd Watch

thorson1987

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It is basically sold out and was before tickets went on sale to the public, only single seats available in both the Sharks and Storm areas, so the only reason its not sold out is there are a few singles in various areas.

And looking at the prices those single seats that are left will be extremely hard to shift.
 
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For those worried about AFL, the following article was published on Monday by Crikey -

Failed experiment GWS Giants the elephant in the change room

Adam Schwab
Business director and writer

People have a habit of avoiding elephants in the room. And there are few bigger elephants than the continuing disaster of the AFL’s botched expansions in western Sydney and the Gold Coast.

Ignore their stunning on-field success; the GWS Giants have been given the most raw talent ever assembled in AFL history. But despite their tremendous performance (GWS were only a kick away from making this year’s grand final after only five years of existence), it appears that the people of western Sydney couldn’t care less about their AFL-manufactured team. In what must be an AFL first, there were clearly more interstate Western Bulldogs supporters at GWS’ home stadium on Saturday than there were GWS fans.

The Giants have become the prototype AFL-sponsored team both on and off the field. On Saturday night, 16 (out of 22) Giants players were first-round (or underage priority) selections — then there are players like Callan Ward and Shane Mumford, who were effectively first-round selections when traded to the Giants. Only two of the Giants’ players from its first preliminary final — Rory Lobb and Nathan Wilson — weren’t high-round gifts from the AFL. The Giants team even has three top draft picks and two second picks.

To maintain this incredible talent, the Giants are the only club to receive salary-cap concessions (around $300,000 in 2016). In a competition desperate to remove any unfair advantages, the concession is significant.

This gerrymandered talent has been expertly reared by some of the AFL’s best development coaches. First Kevin Sheedy and Mark Williams, and more recently, Leon Cameron, and the club itself was expertly managed by Graeme Allan (recently appointed by Eddie McGuire at Collingwood).

Despite creating a team with more first-round draft selections than any other in the history of the game, crowds for the manufactured club remain embarrassing. The AFL (although more accurately, supporters of pre-existing clubs) have spent $85 million on building GWS alone. That money has come from more expensive memberships and higher Foxtel costs for genuine fans. All to be spent on a team that not even Western Sydney residents appear to support. Earlier this year, an embarrassing 8000 fans attended the GWS v Gold Coast match, less than some country games attract.

And let’s not forget the other costs of the expansion club experiment.

After 30 years of measures aimed at making the AFL a more even competition (specifically the draft and salary cap), three teams have won nine of the last 10 premierships. The main reason for the AFL becoming significantly less even? Mid-tier clubs (until the Bulldogs last year) weren’t able to improve due to half a decade of compromised drafts. The introduction of GWS and Gold Coast played almost as big a role in Hawthorn’s three-peat as Alastair Clarkson’s masterful tactics.

Then there’s the cost to clubs of low gate receipts as a result of the tiny supporter bases of the expansion sides. Every time an Etihad stadium-based club plays GWS or Gold Coast, they write a stadium operator a six-figure cheque. These clubs are then criticised for making losses, even though the losses are caused by being forced to pay in expansive costly stadiums against poorly supported expansion teams.

But don’t hold your breath for any changes. While most companies would (begrudgingly) come clean about their failures and end loss-making endeavours, such financial responsibility just doesn’t exist in AFL House. Media outlets, most of whom rely on the AFL itself for accreditation, dare not criticise the AFL executive’s financial incompetence, while feedback from the likes of Eddie McGuire is drowned out by GWS chairman Tony Shepherd.

Shepherd, a former public servant turned business lobbyist aggressively attacks anyone who dares question the GWS gerrymander. Shepherd’s corporate career has been devoted to extracting taxpayer money to private interests (first at road builder Transfield, and later at the Business Council).

So before you celebrate the stunning on-field successes of the GWS, don’t forget who’s writing the cheques.

*Adam Schwab is the author of Pigs at the Trough: Lessons from Australia’s Decade of Corporate Greed
 

Cumberland Throw

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Spot on Article ...

Unfortunately unlike the NRL the AFL has such deep pockets, it can buy Etihad stadium, to get a better deal for the Vic clubs..

Its a 20-30 year plan, to basically make every kid born in 2020 say

"who were the Parramatta Eels ? Oh that's who grandad used to support whatever happened to them "
 

Perth Red

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Fact remains they got $66mill a year more Australian media money by having a ninth game to sell. they are bringing in more than it is costing them, and they get a sht load of national expansion goodness thrown in. Not bad for two clubs no one wants.

Meanwhile we are still worrying about if St's or Knights can pay the bills and have no plan to grow the game beyond its traditional boundaries.
 

Canard

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Fact remains they got $66mill a year more Australian media money by having a ninth game to sell. they are bringing in more than it is costing them, and they get a sht load of national expansion goodness thrown in. Not bad for two clubs no one wants.

You are asserting that the entire $66M is due to the new teams, or an extra game. I put it to you that the TV deal would have increased in value with 8 games anyway (just like the NRL one did)

I don't doubt the extra game increases the value of the TV deal, but to say it was the full $66M seems to simplistic.

Its like people who claim the 100% of the monies raised by selling NRL rights to the Sky NZ should be given to the Warriors, ignoring that the money is to broadcast the entire NRL schedule.
 

Hoofhearted

Juniors
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And looking at the prices those single seats that are left will be extremely hard to shift.
There would be 20-30 seats left max, pretty good effort considering most were taken up by members. Time to stop trying to find negatives and lets celebrate the best week of the year for the game.
 

moffla

Bench
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There would be 20-30 seats left max, pretty good effort considering most were taken up by members. Time to stop trying to find negatives and lets celebrate the best week of the year for the game.
Agreed.
Getting on a 10pm coach Sat night. Gonna be f**ked game day
 

Perth Red

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You are asserting that the entire $66M is due to the new teams, or an extra game. I put it to you that the TV deal would have increased in value with 8 games anyway (just like the NRL one did)

I don't doubt the extra game increases the value of the TV deal, but to say it was the full $66M seems to simplistic.

Its like people who claim the 100% of the monies raised by selling NRL rights to the Sky NZ should be given to the Warriors, ignoring that the money is to broadcast the entire NRL schedule.

As you or I have no idea, and no way of ever finding out, you can only go on what you want to believe. Is it all due to a ninth game? Don't know, but I would imagine the AFL worked out if it was worth expanding with two basket case clubs and decided the $ value it would bring in would be worth the pain that it would cause.
 
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Not a case of being resigned to it , it's a fact they're after our markets & will spend money to achieve their end game goal.

We need to match their spend & ensure their efforts are nothing more then them pissing their money up against the wall.
Our game is the better product but that won't be enough by itself.

Any other strategy we have for growing the game here & elsewhere will have to take a back seat for a while until the heartland is secure.
Other strategy? Every other strategy has been taking a backseat for a decade. And I use the word strategy loosely because there is no strategy anywhere in the game, either to consolidate or to expand. It is a total lack of strategy. The strategy is that there is no strategy. Bumble along and hope the VFL go away and that somehow the sport also grows in new areas by magic. That's the NRL way.
 

Perth Red

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Your point? Doesn't seem to affect the Swans membership numbers with all the NRL clubs we have in Sydney.

Probably because the NRL clubs aren't as popular in Sydney as the AFL clubs are in Melbourne. Plenty of non NRL fans floating around looking for something to do in Sydney.
 

Canard

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As you or I have no idea, and no way of ever finding out, you can only go on what you want to believe. Is it all due to a ninth game? Don't know, but I would imagine the AFL worked out if it was worth expanding with two basket case clubs and decided the $ value it would bring in would be worth the pain that it would cause.

I don't disagree with this,but I think its more of a long term pay off.

You can't seriously believe that TV monies would have stayed the same if no new teams were created?
 

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