2017 Crowd Watch

[Frank Discussion]

Tigers dont have a debt to the NRL and have a contract to play in the NRL till 2022. How can the NRL force them tio do anything?

Had the NRL come in and bailed them out they could've dictated terms. They didn't. And the Tigers remain in Sydney.

That's why I said "missed a trick".

 

[Teddyboy]

Had the NRL come in and bailed them out they could've dictated terms. They didn't. And the Tigers remain in Sydney.

That's why I said "missed a trick".

Sydney having 4 or at the worst 6 teams be the best as the Panthers have only had Parramatta big crowds from 2003-2005.

 

[Clifferd]

Except that the agreement from Wests was to pay HALF of balmains NRL debt, not all for that 25% and the other half hasnt been paid yet...so.....
Yeah, They do still have an NRL debt.

Wests paid 2.5 mil of the debt and the nrl agreed to extend the other half of balmains debt until 2020. I don't know know why you care so much though

 

[taipan]

Sydney having 4 or at the worst 6 teams be the best as the Panthers have only had Parramatta big crowds from 2003-2005.

Not to sure what your post means.Something to do with big crowds at Parramatta 2003-05 and Panthers doing something or not.
I asked Stephen Hawking to assist me, in finding commas.He said it's too bloody hard.

 

[M2D2]

Wests paid 2.5 mil of the debt and the nrl agreed to extend the other half of balmains debt until 2020. I don't know know why you care so much though

its less that i care, more that there is STILL debt to be paid.

 

[Clifferd]

its less that i care, more that there is STILL debt to be paid.

Care to the point you wrote an essay long post in the other thread on why we are most vulnerable ?

Righto

 

[Teddyboy]

Not to sure what your post means.Something to do with big crowds at Parramatta 2003-05 and Panthers doing something or not.
I asked Stephen Hawking to assist me, in finding commas.He said it's too bloody hard.

OMG I was sleep posting again...tut

 

[M2D2]

Care to the point you wrote an essay long post in the other thread on why we are most vulnerable ?

Righto

Because you are the most vulnerable. You even try to obfuscate the truth that you are, claiming theres no debt, when there is, claiming the board is not the same board, when only some of the rot has been removed and still have the same chairperson.
It all very risible.

 

[toomuchsoup]

The NRL have really missed a trick when they took over the Tigers and St George by not forcing a soft relocation on them.

Let me start this by saying that it's totally unfair that teams should be forced to shut down or moved. But there are ways to soften the blow and if the NRL had any brains it would come up with an innovative model for expansion which will totally fix crowds at the same time . I am loathe to write posts like this but I am bored so hear me out.

The first move for the ARLC is to "force" STGI to move full time to Wollongong and Wests to move to Perth by refusing them any coin (and registration) to assist in their debts under the following caveat. (You also pay the Roosters to move to the Central Coast, but allow them to leave their offices in Sydney**). You make these clubs sign contracts that ensure the longevity of team colours and mascots.

The second thing you do is reclaim 2 home fixtures per team across the NRL which become neutral, NRL run fixtures.

These 2 neutral fixtures are immediately granted back to Western Tigers, Easts Roosters and Illawarra Dragons to play at their old home grounds as compensation for being moved. You then allocate 2 high drawing away games (by pulling these home games from rivals like Canterbury and Parramatta under the neutral model) at traditional venues like Leichhardt, SFS, Campbo and Kogarah. This way your forced relocation teams get 4 games per year in their old heartland. On top of that they get a whole new fan base to call their own.

For the other clubs and the remaining Neutral fixtures you then allocate these games to Bathurst, Darwin, Hobart, Albury, Adelaide, Coffs Harbour etc etc. A mix of the bush and locations that don't warrant their own expansion sides . Of course you do this strategically and send Penrith to Bathurst, Storm to Adelaide etc etc twice a year. The games are underwritten by the NRL and the clubs are paid a fixed amount from the gate.

You then call for a second Brisbane and second NZ team and the winning bids are installed in 2019. Or not. You at least have Perth now.

Boom.

National/International footprint.
Less games in Sydney.
More games in the bush.
Some pain. Mostly gain.
Fuller Stadiums.
More memberships.

**If the roosters refuse as they are likely to do this as they are likely to do, in a power play you allocate their neutral games to Gosford anyway. They would be crazy not to play four games up there under this model and have a presence there now that their juniors are up there.

Best idea I've heard so far

 

[Clifferd]

Because you are the most vulnerable. You even try to obfuscate the truth that you are, claiming theres no debt, when there is, claiming the board is not the same board, when only some of the rot has been removed and still have the same chairperson.
It all very risible.

But it's literally a non issue until 2020 which I assume will be sorted by then

As of now until 2020 we are financially obliged to stay in the nrl.

I'll watch you not care some more by trying to argue the point lol

 

[M2D2]

Not really an argument.
Its a fact. You guys have a debt. Claiming otherwise is false.

 

[Clifferd]

Ok youre right

f**k us

Kick us out of the comp

 

[POPEYE]

The NRL have really missed a trick when they took over the Tigers and St George by not forcing a soft relocation on them.

Let me start this by saying that it's totally unfair that teams should be forced to shut down or moved. But there are ways to soften the blow and if the NRL had any brains it would come up with an innovative model for expansion which will totally fix crowds at the same time . I am loathe to write posts like this but I am bored so hear me out.

The first move for the ARLC is to "force" STGI to move full time to Wollongong and Wests to move to Perth by refusing them any coin (and registration) to assist in their debts under the following caveat. (You also pay the Roosters to move to the Central Coast, but allow them to leave their offices in Sydney**). You make these clubs sign contracts that ensure the longevity of team colours and mascots.

The second thing you do is reclaim 2 home fixtures per team across the NRL which become neutral, NRL run fixtures.

These 2 neutral fixtures are immediately granted back to Western Tigers, Easts Roosters and Illawarra Dragons to play at their old home grounds as compensation for being moved. You then allocate 2 high drawing away games (by pulling these home games from rivals like Canterbury and Parramatta under the neutral model) at traditional venues like Leichhardt, SFS, Campbo and Kogarah. This way your forced relocation teams get 4 games per year in their old heartland. On top of that they get a whole new fan base to call their own.

For the other clubs and the remaining Neutral fixtures you then allocate these games to Bathurst, Darwin, Hobart, Albury, Adelaide, Coffs Harbour etc etc. A mix of the bush and locations that don't warrant their own expansion sides . Of course you do this strategically and send Penrith to Bathurst, Storm to Adelaide etc etc twice a year. The games are underwritten by the NRL and the clubs are paid a fixed amount from the gate.

You then call for a second Brisbane and second NZ team and the winning bids are installed in 2019. Or not. You at least have Perth now.

Boom.

National/International footprint.
Less games in Sydney.
More games in the bush.
Some pain. Mostly gain.
Fuller Stadiums.
More memberships.

**If the roosters refuse as they are likely to do this as they are likely to do, in a power play you allocate their neutral games to Gosford anyway. They would be crazy not to play four games up there under this model and have a presence there now that their juniors are up there.

I'm with Frank

 

[beave]

Is Balmain leagues club (the 'new' version) still operating out of a bowls club? What is the latest on the old leaguesy on Vic rd, Will the deveoplment ever get off the ground?

 

[Vee]

Give them their own team
They'll show up

Who's going to pay for it?

 

[Vee]

The NRL have really missed a trick when they took over the Tigers and St George by not forcing a soft relocation on them.

Let me start this by saying that it's totally unfair that teams should be forced to shut down or moved. But there are ways to soften the blow and if the NRL had any brains it would come up with an innovative model for expansion which will totally fix crowds at the same time . I am loathe to write posts like this but I am bored so hear me out.

The first move for the ARLC is to "force" STGI to move full time to Wollongong and Wests to move to Perth by refusing them any coin (and registration) to assist in their debts under the following caveat. (You also pay the Roosters to move to the Central Coast, but allow them to leave their offices in Sydney**). You make these clubs sign contracts that ensure the longevity of team colours and mascots.

The second thing you do is reclaim 2 home fixtures per team across the NRL which become neutral, NRL run fixtures.

These 2 neutral fixtures are immediately granted back to Western Tigers, Easts Roosters and Illawarra Dragons to play at their old home grounds as compensation for being moved. You then allocate 2 high drawing away games (by pulling these home games from rivals like Canterbury and Parramatta under the neutral model) at traditional venues like Leichhardt, SFS, Campbo and Kogarah. This way your forced relocation teams get 4 games per year in their old heartland. On top of that they get a whole new fan base to call their own.

For the other clubs and the remaining Neutral fixtures you then allocate these games to Bathurst, Darwin, Hobart, Albury, Adelaide, Coffs Harbour etc etc. A mix of the bush and locations that don't warrant their own expansion sides . Of course you do this strategically and send Penrith to Bathurst, Storm to Adelaide etc etc twice a year. The games are underwritten by the NRL and the clubs are paid a fixed amount from the gate.

You then call for a second Brisbane and second NZ team and the winning bids are installed in 2019. Or not. You at least have Perth now.

Boom.

National/International footprint.
Less games in Sydney.
More games in the bush.
Some pain. Mostly gain.
Fuller Stadiums.
More memberships.

**If the roosters refuse as they are likely to do this as they are likely to do, in a power play you allocate their neutral games to Gosford anyway. They would be crazy not to play four games up there under this model and have a presence there now that their juniors are up there.

Best idea I've heard so far.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Had the NRL come in and bailed them out they could've dictated terms. They didn't. And the Tigers remain in Sydney.

That's why I said "missed a trick".

It seems a reasonable well thought out plan you have put forward so not going to bag it, although I'm sure that you can appreciate that as a Tigers fan I am not jumping for joy about it...

The NRL were funding the Balmain side of the JV's obligations... Wests kept meeting their side of the agreement. I suspect that the money could have been found if the alternative was moving the team out of Sydney...

It will be interesting to see if the Tigers now with 75% ownership from Wests Ashfield will be prepared to stick in $$$ when/if the Tigers find themselves in debt in the future to keep the team in Sydney....

I would think that would be their preferred outcome...

 

[Greenstar5]

I would have all games in Canberra post Queens Bday long weekend as day games or at least game kicks off in Day light. Have the night games earlier in season to take advantage of warmer weather.
We all know Canberra is cold in Winter.

 

[M2D2]

Ok youre right

f**k us

Kick us out of the comp

i dont want ANY club kicked out, i mean beyond manly. AHHAHAHA
But dont piss on people and call it rain.

 

[Clifferd]

i dont want ANY club kicked out, i mean beyond manly. AHHAHAHA
But dont piss on people and call it rain.

Hate to drag this on but this will be the last post on the matter

Info from inside the club -

Wests Tigers have more than 90 million in assets. One of few clubs to turn a profit

We had the best Sydney crowds last year despite not even finishing in the 8

There is no more infighting at board level. The ownership of the club has been restructed, the hand of friendship extended by Wests guaranteeing Balmains Seats on the board despite not being financial

All of our salary cap troubles are gone at the end of this year and results should follow accordingly

The NRL can't relocate us. The CEO even confirmed its not possible

Thanks for your concerns.