2017 Crowd Watch

[titoelcolombiano]

How do you quantify "giving a sht"?
Crowds - third best supported club in NRL.
Members in top 5 supported clubs.
Origin record crowds,
TV audiences for SOO and GF 350kplus,
One of most watched team on Foxsports

AS I said in comparison to Swans they aren't pulling up trees but given what's been invested in the game in Melbourne compared to AFL's Sydney investment I'd say they are going ok wouldn't you?

I think the Storm are coming along nicely. They will always be a niche club in Melbourne but they seem to market themselves as every Melbournites second team behind your AFL team which is a good way to approach it, not the hostile way that GWS have.

As you mentioned crowds, members and TV ratings are all up and the Storm get some descent TV slots in Melbourne too now.

The other factor is that TV ratings for origin wouldn't be as high as they are in Melbourne without the storm.

The Swans / Storm comparison is a little flawed:

the Swans have been in Sydney for 35 years - the storm in Melbourne for 19
the Swans got a huge leg-up thanks to the SL war - before the war they were averaging around 18K

I think once the Storm have been around for 35 years and (especially) if the NRL start pouring money into promotion of RL in Melbourne they storm could average 25K at AAMI and take the odd larger game to a bigger venue which could push their average close to $30K.

 

[T-Boon]

lol, have you missed the last few weeks? They have scored more points than any other team.

True, they win a lot of games and dominate. But everything is about ruck dominance via wrestle. They lay down in tackles to get fast play the balls and then in tackles they get 4 in.

 

[Marlins]

Bulldogs V Eels 12K 12K
Dragons V Souths 14K 12K-2
Cowboys V Storm 19K 21K+2
Knights V Warriors 14K 11K-3
Titans V Broncos 21K
Sharks V Raiders 16K 11K-5
Manly V Roosters 14K
Penrith V Tigers 18K15K-3

Should go close to averaging 16K

 

[Perth Red]

One state team in the biggest sports crazy city in the country with arguably the most famous sports ground in Australia.

They should be first by a long way in all aspects.

Hang on , one post your saying nobody outside nsw and qland is interested in rl and now you're saying Melbourne should be the biggest club in nrl. Which is it?

Storm>>>>>>Sharks in just about every measurable, except bringing dishonour to the game and you'd have to say drug cheating tops salary cap cheating so congrats on that one.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

If the storm got the same coverage the Lions get in qld from day one they would of been in a better place. Swans being the highest attended team in league heartland is absurd on the nrl teams down there. All had decades start on swans and then get outdrawn despite the rivalry games and history.

Storm can keep chipping away and grow still compare to the heartland who looked to be max out after decades to establish a fanbase.

 

[carcharias]

Hang on , one post your saying nobody outside nsw and qland is interested in rl and now you're saying Melbourne should be the biggest club in nrl. Which is it?

Storm>>>>>>Sharks in just about every measurable, except bringing dishonour to the game and you'd have to say drug cheating tops salary cap cheating so congrats on that one.

No you dope
I'm saying the way it is all set up for the Storm in Victoria to be the biggest club in the game is a no brainer.
The fact that are not after 20 years and with more continual success than most fans could dream of tells me one thing.
Victorian and Melbournians in particular don't give a shit.
Wait until Bellamy , smith, Cronk and slater are gone.
Storm don't make finals for few years.


Oh and Sharks>>>>>>>>>>Storm in GF's against each other.
What night it was!
Might watch the replay again.

 

[carcharias]

If the storm got the same coverage the Lions get in qld from day one they would of been in a better place. Swans being the highest attended team in league heartland is absurd on the nrl teams down there. All had decades start on swans and then get outdrawn despite the rivalry games and history.

Storm can keep chipping away and grow still compare to the heartland who looked to be max out after decades to establish a fanbase.

Well the swans are a good example of what the storm should be.
Sydney people give a shit
Your maths is pretty shit though
Swans = 1 team to draw crowds from in Sydney
NRL = 8 teams to draw from in Sydney

Crowds are still no amazing though.
But when you take everything into consideration no team is really going that much better than others.

Cowboys have a captive audience up there with a climate that won't keep people in doors.


Also you have to consider not everyone likes rugby league
Mostly it's Anglo men

I know plenty of people who don't know a thing about it.

Loads o f women I know don't follow it.
Not that they follow any other code though

 

[POPEYE]

No you dope
I'm saying the way it is all set up for the Storm in Victoria to be the biggest club in the game is a no brainer.
The fact that are not after 20 years and with more continual success than most fans could dream of tells me one thing.
Victorian and Melbournians in particular don't give a shit.
Wait until Bellamy , smith, Cronk and slater are gone.
Storm don't make finals for few years.


Oh and Sharks>>>>>>>>>>Storm in GF's against each other.
What night it was!
Might watch the replay again.

Calm down ol' mate, take a breath, turn your sentences into paragraphs, your mob are winners . . . no need to justify anything to anyone. The Sharks need to concentrate on winning two in a row, after that every year aim to be in the top 4 which is all that any real supporter needs

I'm happier than most, if Melbourne ever become an also-ran I won't be alive to worry about it . . . you really need to concern yourself with one thing at a time, keep Maloney and Flanno happy

 

[carcharias]

Calm down ol' mate, take a breath, turn your sentences into paragraphs, your mob are winners . . . no need to justify anything to anyone. The Sharks need to concentrate on winning two in a row, after that every year aim to be in the top 4 which is all that any real supporter needs

I'm happier than most, if Melbourne ever become an also-ran I won't be alive to worry about it . . . you really need to concern yourself with one thing at a time, keep Maloney and Flanno happy

What's any of that got to do with crowd figures?


...and yes I could've taken a bit more care in my delivery.
I'm still just being a realist all the same.

 

[Jamberoo]

Melbourne TV audiences for big games seem to be good and Storms crowd has gone from 9k to 19k in less than two decades. Clearly some more people are becoming interested in RL in Melbourne? Now if the NRL had the ability of the AFL to embed itself in a hostile environment they would probably be doing much better. Look at how much of a leg up AFL gives Swans and more recently GWS and how much they have invested in general AFL presence in Sydney compared to the NRL efforts they have put into Melbourne.

Average Melbourne crowd in 2000 was 14,662, in 2010 (last year at old stadium) it was 14,670. This year so far it is 16,578. So a 12% increase over 17 seasons. Melbourne's population has grown 27% in that time. Now much of that growth is immigration, so I am not saying they are going backwards, but there are no new fans. It is a crying shame, but unlikely to ever change.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

Doggies and Eels used to get 25k+ all the time,NRL is dying.

 

[Someguy]

No you dope
I'm saying the way it is all set up for the Storm in Victoria to be the biggest club in the game is a no brainer.
The fact that are not after 20 years and with more continual success than most fans could dream of tells me one thing.
Victorian and Melbournians in particular don't give a shit.
Wait until Bellamy , smith, Cronk and slater are gone.
Storm don't make finals for few years.

Maybe crowds under 10k consecutive games not scoring and talk of moving them to Perth. That's my guess for post big 3 for the storm

 

[Jamberoo]

How do you quantify "giving a sht"?
Crowds - third best supported club in NRL.
Members in top 5 supported clubs.
Origin record crowds,
TV audiences for SOO and GF 350kplus,
One of most watched team on Foxsports

AS I said in comparison to Swans they aren't pulling up trees but given what's been invested in the game in Melbourne compared to AFL's Sydney investment I'd say they are going ok wouldn't you?

If you got 100 sports fans (people that follow or attend sport) here in Melbourne, 90+ would have they have reasonable/strong interest in AFL, 25 - 30 in soccer and maybe one would say they have an interest in NRL or Storm. Besides the die hards and NSW/QLD/NZ/UK ex-pats, there is next to zero market penetration. Outside of my family, amongst say 100 friends/work colleagues, there is not one person to talk NRL with.
Strom look like a success because 16K crowds are good compared to Sydney teams, we have some of the greatest players ever and seem to be very well run, but try to find a single 10 year old with even the slightest interest in RL who's family did not move here from NSW/QLD and you will be looking a very long time. I tried to get my son interested but there was not one RL club within 10kms of where we lived. In fact there is not one RL club within 15kms of AAMI Park. It is a joke.
http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=7-2121-0-0-0&sID=196756
My family is from NSW. Is there a single Storm fan on here who does not have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK to disprove my point?

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Average Melbourne crowd in 2000 was 14,662, in 2010 (last year at old stadium) it was 14,670. This year so far it is 16,578. So a 12% increase over 17 seasons. Melbourne's population has grown 27% in that time. Now much of that growth is immigration, so I am not saying they are going backwards, but there are no new fans. It is a crying shame, but unlikely to ever change.

20,000 members is pretty good

 

[moffla]

Average Melbourne crowd in 2000 was 14,662, in 2010 (last year at old stadium) it was 14,670. This year so far it is 16,578. So a 12% increase over 17 seasons. Melbourne's population has grown 27% in that time. Now much of that growth is immigration, so I am not saying they are going backwards, but there are no new fans. It is a crying shame, but unlikely to ever change.

We had won the premiership in 1999, the crowds were always going to be on the up the following year

In 2010, we played at Etihad, then AAMI park. 2009 was actually our last season at Olympic Park. Also worth noting that 2010 was the year we played for 0 points so that kept crowds away.

Sorry for being pedantic, but there are reasons for the figures you've posted.

 

[carcharias]

If you got 100 sports fans (people that follow or attend sport) here in Melbourne, 90+ would have they have reasonable/strong interest in AFL, 25 - 30 in soccer and maybe one would say they have an interest in NRL or Storm. Besides the die hards and NSW/QLD/NZ/UK ex-pats, there is next to zero market penetration. Outside of my family, amongst say 100 friends/work colleagues, there is not one person to talk NRL with.
Strom look like a success because 16K crowds are good compared to Sydney teams, we have some of the greatest players ever and seem to be very well run, but try to find a single 10 year old with even the slightest interest in RL who's family did not move here from NSW/QLD and you will be looking a very long time. I tried to get my son interested but there was not one RL club within 10kms of where we lived. In fact there is not one RL club within 15kms of AAMI Park. It is a joke.
http://websites.sportstg.com/assoc_page.cgi?c=7-2121-0-0-0&sID=196756
My family is from NSW. Is there a single Storm fan on here who does not have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK to disprove my point?

This is what I'm getting at.
I'm not saying storm fans are shit or lazy or whatever.
It's just that the vics prefer AFL.
I might watch a bit of another sport on TV but I'd never go to a game.
Cricket
I'll watch it all day in summer
I've been to 1 game ever
Won't go again
I follow the NRL.

I'm just saying there should be a lot more storm fans .
...and what you say about ex pats being fans is what I suspect the case would be in WA as well.

 

[POPEYE]

Plenty of Storm fans in NSW/Qld, not many can get to games, plenty of Souths/Roosters/Dogs supporters everywhere that can't get to home games, plenty of Sharks supporters here in the bush . . . bums on seats, especially with tv the way it is means sfa. I bet a lot of Victorians, Victoria being the home of sport, would watch the game on tv and not admit it

 

[Mister M]

Is there a single Storm fan on here who does not have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK to disprove my point?

*waves*

I'm a Storm fan and I don't have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK connection. My family came out of regional Victoria and SA the last few generations.

Average Melbourne crowd in 2000 was 14,662, in 2010 (last year at old stadium) it was 14,670. This year so far it is 16,578. So a 12% increase over 17 seasons. Melbourne's population has grown 27% in that time. Now much of that growth is immigration, so I am not saying they are going backwards, but there are no new fans. It is a crying shame, but unlikely to ever change.

As Moffla has already mentioned your figures can be explained through a few different reasons such as the Storm being the reigning champions in 2000 and playing two games at the MCG that year-- to looking at the year that the Storm played without points to now looking at an incomplete 2017.

The Storm have only played 8 games here in Melbourne so far this season and of those games there's been external factors that have limited crowd numbers. 2 home games (17th June & 8th July) were during the Origin period without our main players, 2 home games (16th March & 2nd June) were played in less than ideal time slots (Thursday evening & Friday 6pm) and another one (9th April) was played in torrential weather conditions.

How about we look at the number at the end of the season to show growth instead of picking and choosing numbers to suit your negative agenda?

I bet a lot of Victorians, Victoria being the home of sport, would watch the game on tv and not admit it

It's reasonably successful on Victorian Television when taken seriously. 609,000 people in Melbourne watched the NRL Grand Final last year, yet outside of State of Origin we haven't seen a game of NRL on the main channel this season.

Coming into Round 22 this will be only the Storm's 7th game on FTA (admittedly into Victoria on GEM)

How many more Victorians would actively support the Storm if they got the same access to watch the game as the Swans & Giants supporters get watching AFL in NSW where they get their teams on FTA almost every week.

 

[azza29]

My family is from NSW. Is there a single Storm fan on here who does not have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK to disprove my point?

Good afternoon, sir. Victorian born and bred here, grew up with the Bombers and started following league in my 20s. No particular reason why, just wanted to broaden my horizons.

I have plenty of friends and colleagues who take more than a passing interest in the Storm, though generally second to the AFL team they've been following since primary school. I am probably the odd one out here, but have never thought it was all that strange to follow (and enjoy) two or three different sports at the same time. Nothing wrong with a bit of variety!

 

[POPEYE]

*waves*

I'm a Storm fan and I don't have a NSW/QLD/NZ/UK connection. My family came out of regional Victoria and SA the last few generations.




As Moffla has already mentioned your figures can be explained through a few different reasons such as the Storm being the reigning champions in 2000 and playing two games at the MCG that year-- to looking at the year that the Storm played without points to now looking at an incomplete 2017.

The Storm have only played 8 games here in Melbourne so far this season and of those games there's been external factors that have limited crowd numbers. 2 home games (17th June & 8th July) were during the Origin period without our main players, 2 home games (16th March & 2nd June) were played in less than ideal time slots (Thursday evening & Friday 6pm) and another one (9th April) was played in torrential weather conditions.

How about we look at the number at the end of the season to show growth instead of picking and choosing numbers to suit your negative agenda?



It's reasonably successful on Victorian Television when taken seriously. 609,000 people in Melbourne watched the NRL Grand Final last year, yet outside of State of Origin we haven't seen a game of NRL on the main channel this season.

Coming into Round 22 this will be only the Storm's 7th game on FTA (admittedly into Victoria on GEM)

How many more Victorians would actively support the Storm if they got the same access to watch the game as the Swans & Giants supporters get watching AFL in NSW where they get their teams on FTA almost every week.

My mistake, I thought Victorians got the same Fox channels in their sport subscriptions as the rest of the country . . . that's a bummer