2017 Crowd Watch

[Teddyboy]

Nobody would march against the nrl.

They'd rather watch it at home on tv

Hahaha

 

[Teddyboy]

I hear you, thought I'd give it a go after hearing the western force had thousands at their protest march.

I had 1 go a few years ago trying to get people to a Oust Doust protest only about 25 turned up after hundreds stating they would show up..

I guess fans just can't be bothered anymore...

Club boycott one long weekend would be good and banners giving to fingers to Grant/Fox etc as well.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I would rather have 8-10 thousand at Belmore than at ANZ. At least at Belmore there would be somewhat of an atmosphere whilst it looks like a funeral at ANZ.

So you're going to predict the crowd before they arrive and move it to Belmore? Or are you going to aim for mediocrity and schedule all your games at a training ground?

 

[Parramatta1947]

ANZ is a temporary home for us at least - the Rabbits and Dogs are stuck there......

 

[Raiderdave]

That's the problem with success, ch nine screw you over and dump you to Thursday nights if you're doing well!

No nrl club should be avg under 15k if we are serious. That should be the min acceptable level. The nrl should have offered a $1million bonus payment to each club that achieved this. Got to do something to motivate the merkins running the place. In fact instead of just handing money out they should have offered a base Gra t of $10mill to cover salary cap. A $1mill sliding scale pay,net for crowd size and. $1mill sliding scale payment for membership numbers. Make the clubs earn the money.

watch all 16 clubs achieve a 15K average with dodgey GWS type attendances
the only club that probably couldn't achieve legit or otherwise is Manly
Brookvale is down to APEX park dubbo standard these days & can't even fit 15K in it

Thursday & 6pm Fridays should not be included in averages
theyre a bligh & directly disencourage people to attend games which is the last thing our code needs

 

[Raiderdave]

Not really Perth. I just want the best atmosphere at games 12.754 at Leichhardt looks so much better than 12.7 at ANZ.. The players respond to the better atmosphere you get better games and helps the game in the long run.

I know people talk about growing the game bigger stadiums etc,etc.

But if we only get 6k to a 80k stadium surely we have to rethink the big stadium idea somewhat..

.

no
we have to think about ways of getting more then 6K at bigger venues , rather then contract back up our own a holes to the 1970's , suburban grounds , & certain oblivion

 

[DC_fan]

ANZ is a temporary home for us at least - the Rabbits and Dogs are stuck there......

Souths only two options are ANZ or Allianz. With the majority of our fans living in western suburbs I don't see moving back to Allianz improving crowds. In fact crowd numbers may even go the opposite way if we moved back. When we won the premiership in 2014 we averaged just under 20,000 in attendance playing out of ANZ. So I don't see playing at that stadium being the problem.

For mine the attendance problem the game is more then just where games are played.

 

[Canard]

Club boycott one long weekend would be good and banners giving to fingers to Grant/Fox etc as well.

Sydney fans have been boycotting the game all year.

 

[big hit!]

Draws play a massive role
A game that normally draws a big crowd on a Sunday arvo gets put on a Thursday night can have a massive impact on a teams crowd figures.

Sharks traditional biggest drawing game got put on a Sunday night this year.
Last year was a Sunday arvo.

That right there is easily the difference in that average.

and in rd 10, the dragons home derby was on other friday night at 6pm!

absolute f**kin balls up of mega proportions!

 

[big hit!]

If anyone can be bothered to do a season average MINUS Thursday/Friday 6pm and replace the missing games with that average, would be interesting to know

doesnt work that way. sydney crowd numbers are generally below the NRL average. it's the donkeys.....and to a lesser extent, cowgirls and knights that drive the higher average.

but yes, f**k off thursday night and friday 6pm, and replace those two matches to sunday day, and the folks will slowly return. there are other issues though that are making rugby league difficult to watch....like constant try reviews and poor officiating in general.

 

[Timmah]

The whole stadium ,home ground, is is in such a mess.

You have Souths playing at ANZ nowhere near their area.

You have saints playing home games at other teams home grounds Anz,scg,Alliance and Kogarah and win.

Parramatta playing at ANZ (while Parra stadium is built) away from home fans..

Tigers only playing 4 games at Leichhardt.. The fans favourite..ANZ,Campbelltown.Training at Concord.

Bulldogs only 2 games at Belmore..

No wonder the fans are confused and not showing up for games. The whole set up is wrong..

And then the Nrl let broadcasters choose ridiculous time slots. It needs to be fixed soon or the game won't have any fans left at all.

- Souths have repeatedly told us that lots of their fans are actually in Western Sydney and closer to ANZ. Save for this year and last, their average crowds had always been among the best. Worth noting in their defence the 11k average includes their 'on the road' home games in Perth and Cairns.

- Parra playing at ANZ... what's the alternative? Campbelltown? Pepper? ANZ is the closest available ground to Parramatta.

- Not sure why Concord needs to come into your WT point, if nothing else you're trying to make it look worse than it is.

- Bulldogs only 2 games at Belmore... we're contracted to play 9 at ANZ, we take 3 elsewhere. 2 at Belmore, another to an alternate market (this year was Dunedin).

Personally, I think a better solution for the fixture would be for the NRL to set down the games and then give the draw to the clubs and they choose which games are played where, hopefully avoiding farces like Parra v Titans being Thursday at ANZ etc.

As for the suggestion fans are confused, LOL.

 

[big hit!]

ANZ is getting the crowds it deserves - it is not a world class facility and feels like there are more staff working that fans

it's not just the venue but the area itself. there's just one pub and another little licensed venue opposite it which isn't open all the time anyway. it's a grey cold area devoid of any other options for pre and post match entertainment. it's indicative of what most of Sydney has become now, really.

 

[big hit!]

That's the problem with success, ch nine screw you over and dump you to Thursday nights if you're doing well!

No nrl club should be avg under 15k if we are serious. That should be the min acceptable level. The nrl should have offered a $1million bonus payment to each club that achieved this. Got to do something to motivate the merkins running the place. In fact instead of just handing money out they should have offered a base Gra t of $10mill to cover salary cap. A $1mill sliding scale pay,net for crowd size and. $1mill sliding scale payment for membership numbers. Make the clubs earn the money.

success?

souths, canterbury, wests and parra are the sydney metro clubs ch9 focus most of their game scheduling on....not because they're successful, but according the them, they rate the best. all these clubs share the olympic stadium as their home venue too.

 

[big hit!]

Because belmore is shit. A different type of shit to anz but still shit.

i haven't been to belmore for 2 decades, but i reckon Henson Park is probably a better standard venue than Belmore these days. Definitely more space at the Marrickville ground. Belmore is restricted with the rail line at one end and a lane/housing at the other.

These suburban venues don't need the overhaul of major arenas to bring them to standard. How much would it actually cost to install seating around the ground, and an extra block of amenities or two?

i remember visiting Molson stadium in Montreal 8 years back, home of the Montreal Allouettes in the CFL, and they have seating built on steel scaffolding. they've got a capacity of about 23k. it does the job.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

NRL needs to fix Sydney, stadiums, scheduling and if needs be rationalisation because the current trends are threatening to turn into what the ARU have on their hands if we let it play out for another 5 to 10 years.

Brisbane crowds are good - the Broncs crowds won't grow much more than this though, they need a second side to tap into the anti-Bronco RL base in Brisbane and it is sizealbe - another issue for the NRL to fix

Even Melbourne, Melbourne!! have, over the years risen from an ordinary avarage and slowly but surely crept up to and passed the average crowds of most Sydney clubs. This shows us what can be done if we have a well-run club with a great, modern stadium in a suitable area and allow it to grow. This model could and should be replicated in Perth

 

[Frank Discussion]

The whole stadium ,home ground, is is in such a mess.

You have Souths playing at ANZ nowhere near their area.

You have saints playing home games at other teams home grounds Anz,scg,Alliance and Kogarah and win.

Parramatta playing at ANZ (while Parra stadium is built) away from home fans..

Tigers only playing 4 games at Leichhardt.. The fans favourite..ANZ,Campbelltown.Training at Concord.

Bulldogs only 2 games at Belmore..

No wonder the fans are confused and not showing up for games. The whole set up is wrong..

And then the Nrl let broadcasters choose ridiculous time slots. It needs to be fixed soon or the game won't have any fans left at all.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. There is an easy fix to the congested Sydney issue and I cannot understand why the NRL has not been more proactive in assisting teams to make sensible, strategic and staged relocations.

Why St George are not based in Wollongong full time and playing the majority of their games down there is a mystery. Good stadium. Active fanbase. Easy commute from their heartland.

Why Wests are not based at Campbelltown and playing the majority of their games there, whilst actively lobbying the state government with the NRL as a partner for a stadium upgrade there is also another mystery. How many Tigers fans actually live in Balmain? Friggen not many. Whats the point of them battling away in the inner west when Campbelltown was discussed as a relocation strategy as early as the late 70s.

Why Manly are so belligerent about a partial move to Gosford is also head scratching. The NRL should be offering them carrot after carrot and stick after stick to establish a permanent foothold up there and f**k Brookvale off if they can't get it upgraded. This would need to be more staged but with will is entirely possible.

None of these moves are over 100km (brookie to gosford is the longest commute at 73.5km), no ones nose gets put particularly out of joint and you solve two problems in removing the cluttered sydney lanscape and increasing the footprint of the game. The stadium strategy is therefore a lot clearer and I think that will go some way to assisting with the crowd issue.

The NRL has really let the game and the clubs down by not agitating for major upgrades to Campbelltown, Wollongong and Gosford and minor upgrades to Penrith and Cronulla.

 

[Frank Discussion]

The game is really reaching a point of critical mass.
In the 1980s UK soccer venues were a damned disgrace. They had the fire at Bradford and then the Hillsborough disaster.
The F.A set minimum conditions on your venue and if you couldn't meet them you got pissed off. Amazingly, most clubs were able to meet the conditions and the venues are now largely world class.

The NRL are so soft. To have some clubs playing out of 3 and 4 venues, 2 of which are substandard is just ridiculous.

The state of the game report should have started with.
1 club. 1 venue meeting a minimum requirement of faciliites. Don't meet the requirement? Bye bye licence.

Watch the clubs find the money.

 

[johnny plath]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. There is an easy fix to the congested Sydney issue and I cannot understand why the NRL has not been more proactive in assisting teams to make sensible, strategic and staged relocations.

Why St George are not based in Wollongong full time and playing the majority of their games down there is a mystery. Good stadium. Active fanbase. Easy commute from their heartland.

Why Wests are not based at Campbelltown and playing the majority of their games there, whilst actively lobbying the state government with the NRL as a partner for a stadium upgrade there is also another mystery. How many Tigers fans actually live in Balmain? Friggen not many. Whats the point of them battling away in the inner west when Campbelltown was discussed as a relocation strategy as early as the late 70s.

Why Manly are so belligerent about a partial move to Gosford is also head scratching. The NRL should be offering them carrot after carrot and stick after stick to establish a permanent foothold up there and f**k Brookvale off if they can't get it upgraded. This would need to be more staged but with will is entirely possible.

None of these moves are over 100km (brookie to gosford is the longest commute at 73.5km), no ones nose gets put particularly out of joint and you solve two problems in removing the cluttered sydney lanscape and increasing the footprint of the game. The stadium strategy is therefore a lot clearer and I think that will go some way to assisting with the crowd issue.

The NRL has really let the game and the clubs down by not agitating for major upgrades to Campbelltown, Wollongong and Gosford and minor upgrades to Penrith and Cronulla.

Not sure what is hard to understand... these clubs are frozen because of their own petty internal politics. Its not like the NRL haven't offered incentives for these changes to happen... wasn't it something like
$11 million on offer for clubs to relocate. I guess that incentive will be gone now that the clubs are gouging that amount every season now. The clubs are as much to blame if not more than the NRL regarding location. The impression I get with the merged clubs is that they want to satisfy all of their histories and pamper to them by splitting games, but this seems to really please no one. Maybe they need to bite the bullet and just settle on a single venue, and get on with growing from there. Seems like pissing around the edges pleases no-one. The merged clubs still seem to have an identity crisis of who they are, and its definitely holding them back imo.

 

[Perth Red]

The NRL has really let the game and the clubs down by not agitating for major upgrades to Campbelltown, Wollongong and Gosford and minor upgrades to Penrith and Cronulla.

The NSw Govt isnt going to pump tax payers money into stadiums it doesnt own. It'd be like asking them to build an extension on your house as you need another bedroom! For WA Govt to invest $95mill in NIB it had to spend another $20mill buying a long term lease off the owners (Local government own it) so now effectively state Govt owns it. Can you see Sharks or Panthers handing over their stadiums to NSW govt in return for redevelopment?

Now why these leagues clubs haven't got a stadium investment strategy the utilises their ill gotten gains might be a more pertinent question?

The NRL cant run itself, ffs it is about to borrow a shed loadof money to pay the bills!, so they are hardly in a strong position to dictate to clubs about how they should run their businesses.

 

[Frank Discussion]

The NSw Govt isnt going to pump tax payers money into stadiums it doesnt own. It'd be like asking them to build an extension on your house as you need another bedroom! For WA Govt to invest $95mill in NIB it had to spend another $20mill buying a long term lease off the owners (Local government own it) so now effectively state Govt owns it. Can you see Sharks or Panthers handing over their stadiums to NSW govt in return for redevelopment?

Now why these leagues clubs haven't got a stadium investment strategy the utilises their ill gotten gains might be a more pertinent question?

The NRL cant run itself, ffs it is about to borrow a shed loadof money to pay the bills!, so they are hardly in a strong position to dictate to clubs about how they should run their businesses.

Listen champ. The last upgrade to Shark Park was payed for byyyyyyyyyy THE GOVERNMENT!

$9mill for the southern stand.


The NRL can dictate to clubs. They run the comp. They just won't.