2018 Crowd Watch

[Rabbits20]

Yes I thought the same, sitting in the members section looking across at the Saints supporters bay they were sparely populated compared to the Chookpen area, also in the members it was a lot more Roosters supporters compared to Saints. It was also funny seeing 4 Saints supporters getting escorted out of the members section by security because they were getting sh*tty with the result and started chucking beers.

Yes I've seen the St Merge fans do that at games before too..

 

[horrie hastings]

Yes I've seen the St Merge fans do that at games before too..

$9 a beer, what a waste, still it was funny to see.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

rubbish
plain & simple

a 2nd Brisbane team not as valuable as Manly
hahahahaha
you're joking

a 2nd NZ team not as valuable as the Roosters
phhtttttt hahahahaha, what eva you're on ... give it away

The Sydney clubs are irreplaceable, none of them are going anywhere, ever.
You better get used to that fact and just accept it.

 

[Rabbits20]

$9 a beer, what a waste, still it was funny to see.

I was at a game 2008-2009 it was I think when we played Dragons at ANZ and our season was over but we beat them 41-6. This man in front of me took his Dragons jersey off and threw it over the gate thingy at ANZ and onto the edge of the field.......

 

[unforgiven]

rubbish
plain & simple

a 2nd Brisbane team not as valuable as Manly
hahahahaha
you're joking

a 2nd NZ team not as valuable as the Roosters
phhtttttt hahahahaha, what eva you're on ... give it away

There is a reason ch9 continues to want the Sydney teams for their broadcasts and not the Warriors, Raiders etc, I wonder what that reason could be? Kill off the teams in Sydney and watch what happens to Rugby League.

In an ideal world we would have less Sydney teams and the supporter base would be spread across 4 or 5 teams, but that is not the situation we are in and if you cull teams you cull the supporter base. I asked the other day but didn't get and answer, what would be your plan for the culling of Sydney teams?

 

[typicalfan]

Public transport was terrible today with major delays most people would not have bothered trying. Allianz is hard to get to at the best of times.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Source for the crowd? Haven't seen it announced anywhere.

Crowd was announced at the game as 19,878.

Public transport was terrible today with major delays most people would not have bothered trying. Allianz is hard to get to at the best of times.

Yep. They werer replacing an analogue signal box for a digital one. Was supposed to be finished overnight but wasn't. It saw no trains leaving from platforms 1-15 at Central until after 9.30 am on Sunday morning. As such delays were major all day. It took me 2 hours to get from Parramatta Station to the SFS today, when it would normally take me 1/2 that time or less. I even considered turning around and going home it was that bad. I waited at Parramatta Station for 30 minutes to be able to get on a train.

Delays on the trains were still going after the game, and may still be going on in time for peak hour on Monday morning.

It was one of the worst train stuff ups I've ever seen on a weekend.

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Please tell me how getting rid of any of the teams in Sydney will increase crowds in Sydney?

Increasing Sydney crowds is a separate point. This would cut out all of the lowest drawing games and replace them with higher drawing teams in expansion areas.

Basically swapping a 6k Brooky game for a 30k Brisbane game....

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

Amazing what a bit of promotion does!! Crowd for today’s ISP Newtown Jets match!

Suburban grounds are perfect for NSW Cup. $5 entrance or whatever it is, a community atmosphere and some good 70s suburban nostalgia.

Meanwhile, the NRL should be aiming for more than 10k per game....

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

There is a reason ch9 continues to want the Sydney teams for their broadcasts and not the Warriors, Raiders etc, I wonder what that reason could be? Kill off the teams in Sydney and watch what happens to Rugby League.

In an ideal world we would have less Sydney teams and the supporter base would be spread across 4 or 5 teams, but that is not the situation we are in and if you cull teams you cull the supporter base. I asked the other day but didn't get and answer, what would be your plan for the culling of Sydney teams?

A) if you cut 1 teams, Nien still has 8 other Sydney teams to pick from. Its not like we'd cut the most popular.

B) If youre watching from your couch, it doesnt matter whether your team is in your suburb or on the f*cking moon

C) Cutting a Sydney team might lose us a bit from the tv deal, but the new expansion would add so much more to it.

 

[unforgiven]

A) if you cut 1 teams, Nien still has 8 other Sydney teams to pick from. Its not like we'd cut the most popular.

B) If youre watching from your couch, it doesnt matter whether your team is in your suburb or on the f*cking moon

C) Cutting a Sydney team might lose us a bit from the tv deal, but the new expansion would add so much more to it.

A) It's not about cutting 1 team, and which teams to you propose to be cut?

B) But as you just said, their team wont be playing on the moon, it won't be playing anywhere so most will be lost to the game.

C) No but it will lose a lot of supporters to the game and not add many.

The first rule of business is to retain current customers, you are arguing to actively cull customers to our sport.

 

[Raiderdave]

A) It's not about cutting 1 team, and which teams to you propose to be cut?

B) But as you just said, their team wont be playing on the moon, it won't be playing anywhere so most will be lost to the game.

C) No but it will lose a lot of supporters to the game and not add many.

The first rule of business is to retain current customers, you are arguing to actively cull customers to our sport.

not add many ?
hahahaha
the warriors are already a bigger draw card then nearly every Sydney side in just about every market outside of Sydney
they add $100 million to our TV deal alone

that's where the future is
4 Sydney sides for the chopping block .. stat
their fans don't care


why should we

 

[Raiderdave]

2nd Brisbane
2nd NZ
Perth
Adelaide

done

 

[Differ To The Coifed]

not add many ?
hahahaha
the warriors are already a bigger draw card then nearly every Sydney side in just about every market outside of Sydney
they add $100 million to our TV deal alone

that's where the future is
4 Sydney sides for the chopping block .. stat
their fans don't care


why should we

Can I have your 4 Sydney sides you propose to cut?

 

[Frank Discussion]

Can I have your 4 Sydney sides you propose to cut?

I have before outlined my strategic model of “soft relocation” which remodels the entire competition. “Culling” is dumb and absolutely the wrong strategy.

Soft relocation strategy for the growth of the NRL.

-The NRL reclaims 2 home games from every club, paying fair compensation based on modelling, as “neutral” rounds. The NRL selects the venues for these fixtures.
- The NRL pays the West Tigers, Manly and St George $10 mil per year for 4 years to relocate holus bolus to Perth, Gosford and Wollongong respectively.
- It immediately allocates the 2 neutral rounds for each of these clubs to their traditional home grounds in Sydney.
- It then allocates 2 more games from the neutral game pool for these teams back to their traditional home grounds in Sydney.
- All other remaining neutral games in the pool are allocated to strategic venues in regional areas (Penrith in Bathurst etc).
- Expand the comp bringing in Brisbane 2 and NZ2 or Adelaide depending on strength of bid

The benefits are enormous to relocated teams- Access to great stadia, a monopoly on a city for sponsorship, 40 mill in guaranteed revenue and a tangible connection to your historical fan base.

The benefits to the game are enormous- truly national scope, clear the Sydney logjam, total control over the draw, presence in every major city, interaction with the bush, massive increase in crowds and sponsorship.

The major drawback is the cost- but you have to speculate to accumulate and The AFL have shown that you can’t have a major national competition without throwing serious dollars at it.

 

[greenBV4]

I have before outlined my strategic model of “soft relocation” which remodels the entire competition. “Culling” is dumb and absolutely the wrong strategy.

Soft relocation strategy for the growth of the NRL.

-The NRL reclaims 2 home games from every club, paying fair compensation based on modelling, as “neutral” rounds. The NRL selects the venues for these fixtures.
- The NRL pays the West Tigers, Manly and St George $10 mil per year for 4 years to relocate holus bolus to Perth, Gosford and Wollongong respectively.
- It immediately allocates the 2 neutral rounds for each of these clubs to their traditional home grounds in Sydney.
- It then allocates 2 more games from the neutral game pool for these teams back to their traditional home grounds in Sydney.
- All other remaining neutral games in the pool are allocated to strategic venues in regional areas (Penrith in Bathurst etc).
- Expand the comp bringing in Brisbane 2 and NZ2 or Adelaide depending on strength of bid

The benefits are enormous to relocated teams- Access to great stadia, a monopoly on a city for sponsorship, 40 mill in guaranteed revenue and a tangible connection to your historical fan base.

The benefits to the game are enormous- truly national scope, clear the Sydney logjam, total control over the draw, presence in every major city, interaction with the bush, massive increase in crowds and sponsorship.

The major drawback is the cost- but you have to speculate to accumulate and The AFL have shown that you can’t have a major national competition without throwing serious dollars at it.

if its going to be done relocation is the best option

the clubs already have an existing structure and fan base and will receive all the benefits you listed

the Sydney "couch fans" should have no problem still following the relocated team (e.g. Swans/South Melb), especially if they never went to games anyway, and if they want to they can still see them at away games in Sydney with a "Sydney Membership" option, and heritage home games

Let a few years pass and the next generation (the future of the game) won't even know anything different

 

[taipan]

we're not in Sydney
no problem down here dummy , if we were in the top 4 playing another top 4 opponent on a sunday afternoon with the sun blazing in 23C conditions
GIO would have had not one seat to spare

No you've got a whole city to yourself,and an all seater stadium.Ypur crowds should be closer to 20.000 regularly.Especuialy

not add many ?
hahahaha
the warriors are already a bigger draw card then nearly every Sydney side in just about every market outside of Sydney
they add $100 million to our TV deal alone

that's where the future is
4 Sydney sides for the chopping block .. stat
their fans don't care


why should we

Chop 4 Sydney sides, and watch the Tv contract drop substantially.And watch the drift of fans who lose their clubs to either other code, or other activities, with no further interest in the NRL.
The $100m for NZ is over 5 years, thats less than the Gnats TV monetary influence.

Canberra rates poorly on Sydney TV.Sydney the biggest commercial market in this country.I'd hardly be throwing rocks from the glass house.

Your crowds should be 20,000 with an all seater stadium FFS.In fact just about all clubs should have a minimum 15,000 average (bare minimum that is).

 

[DC_fan]

The game will not recover in Sydney if you have a mass culling of teams, not even in the 20 or 30 years. Norths fans didn't adopt a new team when they folded and I guess a lot of kids were lost as well as the were no longer exposed to the game as their parents lost their team.

The game may not have a long term future if we don’t. I

 

[unforgiven]

not add many ?
hahahaha
the warriors are already a bigger draw card then nearly every Sydney side in just about every market outside of Sydney
they add $100 million to our TV deal alone

that's where the future is
4 Sydney sides for the chopping block .. stat
their fans don't care


why should we

Already? its been 24 years and Warriors games only have about 130000 people watching on Tv in New Zealand and rate below the Sydney teams in Australia. We are in a crowd thread so lets look at that, nope they finished last in home and away crowds last year. They were also the 2nd lowest drawing away team so saying they are outdrawing nearly every Sydney team is rubbish.

Sydney has the largest number of people attending Rugby League games in the world, yes it has many more games but you wipe out these teams then you wipe out a huge number of the games supporters.

 

[unforgiven]

if its going to be done relocation is the best option

the clubs already have an existing structure and fan base and will receive all the benefits you listed

the Sydney "couch fans" should have no problem still following the relocated team (e.g. Swans/South Melb), especially if they never went to games anyway, and if they want to they can still see them at away games in Sydney with a "Sydney Membership" option, and heritage home games

Let a few years pass and the next generation (the future of the game) won't even know anything different

Ok what 4 teams do you think we should relocate and to where?

Why should I have to be an away member? why shouldn't I have a home ground to watch my team play? a dedicated seat in my teams venue that I have had for the past 20 years?