2018 Crowd Watch

[ozenzud]

Greenberg is utter shit and is dragging the NRL down. I would seriously prefer Neil f**king Whittaker back at the helm than Greenberg.

Resign.

Very Rugby League to say the general manager is a knob. But of course if you were in charge the game would be going gangbusters.....

The crowds do not make the NRL money. Its short change. The money is in the TV deal. Keep the ratings high and the money rolls into the game.

Greenberg is far better than some we have had.

 

[carcharias]

It looked shit on TV

Took my cousins from the US there a couple of weeks ago
Roosters v knights

Stadium way too big for the crowd.
It was dead
They were asking where everyone was.

Same amount in a smaller venue and there is atmosphere at the ground and it actually comes across on tv as well.
It makes people want to go.
Vast rows of blue empty seats do not make anyone want to go ... and it turns you off watching it.

 

[yobbo84]

pretty shitty crowd. NRL butchers rivalry games by sticking them on Thursday nights.

On that note - Anyone else think that 'away' fans are turning up a lot less than a few years ago? Hard to judge from anecdotal evidence but it feels like it. Our games v Dogs and Souths at the SFS used to consistently pull over 20k, leading to claims that away fans outnumbered us. But it's been a long time since they've shown up in numbers anywhere near that.

Not just Roosters games either, I get around to a fair few neutral games and its rare to see more than a scattering of away fans.

Is it the rise of memberships - people sticking to their pre-paid games?
The shitty timeslots the NRL constantly puts derby games in?

Cost of tickets + day of the week.

I work in the CBD so could've easily walked down to the game afterwards, but I would've had to have gotten public transport home and with the game finishing at 10pm, I wouldn't get home to close to midnight on a work night. And pay $60 + food for the privilege. Stuff that.

It's bad enough that over my club's first 4 home games, 1 was in Perth, 1 will be in Gosford, and 1 was a double header so couldn't sit in my allocated seat.

A few years ago I wouldn't have missed it for the world. But the "product" is going backwards and prices going upwards.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I can only assume this is the logic for putting derbies and / or traditional rivalry games on Thursday nights:

The derby games will draw a decent crowd no matter when they are played - so it is better to use them to ensure Thursday night crowds don't regularly end up sub 10k.

I don't agree with the logic BTW but I believe this is the thought process. It is a negative thought process. We whould be scheduling so that Sydney has a 'match of the round' and marketed as a big event so that Sydney pulls 30k crowds every week. There are plenty of combos that could do this given the right scheduling and marketing.

 

[ATOWN2]

It looked shit on TV

Took my cousins from the US there a couple of weeks ago
Roosters v knights

Stadium way too big for the crowd.
It was dead
They were asking where everyone was.

Same amount in a smaller venue and there is atmosphere at the ground and it actually comes across on tv as well.
It makes people want to go.
Vast rows of blue empty seats do not make anyone want to go ... and it turns you off watching it.

Exactly!

It's all well and good claiming that crowds don't matter because there is a TV deal but it impacts upon the atmosphere. Surely having empty seats saturated throughout stadiums is also a poor look for tv. It makes the competition look amateur.

The Raiders should get a great crowd tonight playing against the cellar dwelling Eels.

 

[Vee]

Very Rugby League to say the general manager is a knob. But of course if you were in charge the game would be going gangbusters.....

The crowds do not make the NRL money. Its short change. The money is in the TV deal. Keep the ratings high and the money rolls into the game.

Greenberg is far better than some we have had.

And not nearly as good as we need.

 

[Vee]

Very Rugby League to say the general manager is a knob. But of course if you were in charge the game would be going gangbusters.....

The crowds do not make the NRL money. Its short change. The money is in the TV deal. Keep the ratings high and the money rolls into the game.

Greenberg is far better than some we have had.

It's not hard though, is it?

 

[Everlovin' Antichrist]

Very Rugby League to say the general manager is a knob.

I didn't call him a knob, he is an unflushed turd, get it right. And just so you know, I don't speak on behalf of all Rugby League fans.

But of course if you were in charge the game would be going gangbusters.....

We would have eleventy three billion dollars in the kitty and our attendances would make the AFL's look like the attendances at level 3 Bocce tournaments at the Marconi club. We would also have pinched Ronaldo from Real Madrid to play fullback for the Titans.

So yes, the game would be going gangbusters if I were in charge.

The crowds do not make the NRL money. Its short change.

It's short change? Do you know what that means?

Rhetorical question.

The money is in the TV deal. Keep the ratings high and the money rolls into the game.

Really, the big money is in the TV rights? Who'd have thought that? When did that happen?

Derp.

Greenberg is far better than some we have had.

He isn't far better than anyone. At the absolute best he's slightly worse than spuds like Whittaker, Moffett and Gallop. FTR, I worked with Whittaker prior to him being the NRL CEO on a couple of jobs and the bloke couldn't make a decision to save himself, he was utterly hopeless. But I'd still prefer him to Greenberg right now.

So far he has given us the worst attendance year since we started picking up after the Super League war. He has also politicised the NRL by passing off his own opinions as the NRL's. He hasn't improved anything.

They guy is a complete and utter turd and the NRL needs to be rid of him.

 

[Timmah]

Exactly!

It's all well and good claiming that crowds don't matter because there is a TV deal but it impacts upon the atmosphere. Surely having empty seats saturated throughout stadiums is also a poor look for tv. It makes the competition look amateur.

The Raiders should get a great crowd tonight playing against the cellar dwelling Eels.

Except they're not playing tonight.

 

[Perth Red]

I'm flummaxed by the NRLs control of scheduling and the decisions they are making. They make no sense, unless the whole control of scheduling is just a red herring and TV is still very much in control.

Either the NRL lied to us or they are totally inept. Its hard to figure which.

Better to see a 14k potential crowd drop to 10k on a Thursday than a 20k plus crowd drop to 15k. Sharks v Dragons, Roosters v Souths, these are prime crowd boost games and should never, ever have been put on a Thursday night. Dumb merkins

From a club point of view the whole TV is worth more is another red herring. Yes its worth more whilst you are getting sht crowds and sht membership numbers, but a 30k crowd avg, a 40k membership and the corporate interest in filling boxes in full stadiums with amazing atmospheres is potentially worth a lot more than the current $1.1mill a home game TV pays them. RL has always been lazy, first living of the pokies now the TV deal rather than working hard to generate revenue from its fanbase.

 

[CowboyFuriousFury]

South/roosters on any other day should be a no excuse, sell out game. 100 year rivarly all that time shouldn't be thousands of empty seats in 'heartland'. If the roosters wasn't a foundation club that would of been relocated years ago all that success and thousand of empty seats in spite of having decades to get it together. To think the swans/sydney fc outdrew the roosters in shorter time sums it up.

 

[Stallion]

Poor marketing, time of play and lack of price incentives. That's what's wrong with Thursday night footy.

 

[TheFrog]

Cronulla is closer to Wollongong than Kogarah.

Perhaps if you have a helicopter but by ground transport its heaps further.

 

[TheFrog]

Penrith V Titans 15,000

A tad optimistic I suspect. This match got 11.5k last year when the home side were on the edge of the 8. Being Sunday might just get it to 13k if its not too hot.

 

[Cockosh]

South/roosters on any other day should be a no excuse, sell out game. 100 year rivarly all that time shouldn't be thousands of empty seats in 'heartland'. If the roosters wasn't a foundation club that would of been relocated years ago all that success and thousand of empty seats in spite of having decades to get it together. To think the swans/sydney fc outdrew the roosters in shorter time sums it up.

I don’t disagree that the crowds are disappointing but it is ridiculous comparing roosters to either swans or Sydney FC. Swans until recently were the sole afl team in Sydney and they average 30000 I’m guessing. Sydney FC were similar to swans till wanderers and I’m pretty sure their crowds are less than easts.

 

[Suitman]

I don’t disagree that the crowds are disappointing but it is ridiculous comparing roosters to either swans or Sydney FC. Swans until recently were the sole afl team in Sydney and they average 30000 I’m guessing. Sydney FC were similar to swans till wanderers and I’m pretty sure their crowds are less than easts.

In 2017, the Roosters home crowd average was 15387.
For the 2016/2017 season, Sydney FC's average home crowd was 18099.

 

[Different kind of Rabbit]

If last nights game was played on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, it would have drawn 30k.

Thursday night football is balls for crowds.

 

[morley101]

As stated before it was nearly 5000 up on last year's Thursday night game between the same sides at
ANZ.

 

[Timmah]

From a club point of view the whole TV is worth more is another red herring. Yes its worth more whilst you are getting sht crowds and sht membership numbers, but a 30k crowd avg, a 40k membership and the corporate interest in filling boxes in full stadiums with amazing atmospheres is potentially worth a lot more than the current $1.1mill a home game TV pays them. RL has always been lazy, first living of the pokies now the TV deal rather than working hard to generate revenue from its fanbase.

The varying factors per club with this are why your point makes no sense. Some clubs can easily make a few $$ from home games regardless of attendances, while some (Manly & WT come to mind) are pushing shit up hill to not lose money when playing at certain venues.

 

[Stallion]

As stated before it was nearly 5000 up on last year's Thursday night game between the same sides at
ANZ.

Was good weather a factor! ?