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2018 R19 Fri - Sharks 28-24 Raiders @ SC Group

Round 19: Sharks v Raiders

  • Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks

    Votes: 11 73.3%

  • Canberra Raiders

    Votes: 4 26.7%

  • Draw after Golden Point

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    15
  • Poll closed .
OzDragon

OzDragon

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Refs boss to apologise for the calls

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cleary89

cleary89

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bileduct said:
Can you link to the rule you are citing please.
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16.10 - The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Judge decision Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.

(Touch Judge under 10. A Touch Judge is at all times under the control of the Referee control of Referee and may be dismissed and replaced if, in the opinion of the Referee, he can no longer be considered to be neutral. In this case, any decision made by a Touch Judge leading to his dismissal may be disregarded.)

17.43. The Touch Judge cannot stop the play for any signals infringement but he may signal the nature of an infringement if the Referee is unsighted and seeks his guidance. Signals which may be used by a Touch Judge and which are not included in Para. 3 above are:–
Touch. Flag is raised about the head at the point of entry into touch..
Ball Back. Flag waved above head accentuating backward movement.
Touch in-Goal. Flag waved across the body, below the waist, and, with the other hand, point to either the goal line or 20 metre line depending on where play should be re-started. Do not point to the player who made the ball dead.
Successful Kick at Goal. Raise flag above head.
Unsuccessful Kick at Goal. Wave flag across and in front of the body below the waist. If the ball goes over the dead ball line, tap the ground with the end of the flag stick.
Dead Ball Line. Wave flag up and down between shoulder and knee and then point to appropriate re-start position.


So basically, he raises his flag which indicates in touch. Referee cannot overrule (unless he's going to be dismissed for being impartial).
 
gitano

gitano

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Yessss Welcome to the off season Raiders fans!!!!

Gettttt itttttt upppp yas. Prick of a team from a prick of a place and the fans are keeping the theme going.
 
bileduct

bileduct

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cleary89 said:
16.10 - The Referee shall accept the decision of an official Judge decision Touch Judge relating to touch and touch in-goal play and to kicks at goal.

(Touch Judge under 10. A Touch Judge is at all times under the control of the Referee control of Referee and may be dismissed and replaced if, in the opinion of the Referee, he can no longer be considered to be neutral. In this case, any decision made by a Touch Judge leading to his dismissal may be disregarded.)

17.43. The Touch Judge cannot stop the play for any signals infringement but he may signal the nature of an infringement if the Referee is unsighted and seeks his guidance. Signals which may be used by a Touch Judge and which are not included in Para. 3 above are:–
Touch. Flag is raised about the head at the point of entry into touch..
Ball Back. Flag waved above head accentuating backward movement.
Touch in-Goal. Flag waved across the body, below the waist, and, with the other hand, point to either the goal line or 20 metre line depending on where play should be re-started. Do not point to the player who made the ball dead.
Successful Kick at Goal. Raise flag above head.
Unsuccessful Kick at Goal. Wave flag across and in front of the body below the waist. If the ball goes over the dead ball line, tap the ground with the end of the flag stick.
Dead Ball Line. Wave flag up and down between shoulder and knee and then point to appropriate re-start position.


So basically, he raises his flag which indicates in touch. Referee cannot overrule (unless he's going to be dismissed for being impartial).
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Ok, but the touch judge seemed to believe that there was a knock on, not the ball going into touch. The rule doesn't say that the main referee has to defer to the touch judge for incidents within the field of play. I'd say the touch judge immediately communicated the error to main ref who would have clearly been able to see that the ball was nowhere near going into touch, and the main ref has made the decision to ignore an improper signal, allow play on but then send it to the video ref as a no try based on the touch judge's original observation. Raiders should have played to the whistle because there was an eternity between the flag going up and the try being scored.
 
squiddy

squiddy

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skeepe said:
Going back to the phantom flag, even ignoring the fact the bunker can’t tell with certainty that it wasn’t touched, surely that situation should be like an inadvertent whistle from the ref - play is unnaturally affected by the officials, so cannot continue from that point.
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Kind of agree with you . However law of averages says that Ramien touched it but video was not conclusive at all in fact I would say video didn’t support a touch at all if game had of been held up then sharks fans would be crying fowl , raiders should not have stopped in their tracks , play to the whistle boys .

However what you guys should be blowing up about is the forward pass that was not , cost you the winning try, however sharks got reamed by broncos on a 3 metre forward pass a couple of weeks ago so it’s nice to get a dubious call go our ways
 
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Raiderdave

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nick87 said:
The touchie erred
He put his flag up when a whistle hadnt blown... you can change your mind all you like. The game doesnt stop for a flag unless the play went into touch... and even then it doesnt stop, as we've seen on try scoring situations where the flag goes up and on field ref goes to the video

the play stops only when the on field referee stops it. End of story. He didnt blow his whistle. We didnt play to the whistle. That's on us.
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Cleary is technically correct
flag up , regardless of why it went up is whistle blown game stopped
end of , however this is the NRL , an entertainment product for TV with a different set of rules & it was a try scoring situation
so they wait for the next stop to check it
of course no one went into touch.
The on field referee was told by the TJ it was no try , he saw a touch , he was 5m from it
The referee did the right thing & sent it up as a no try , which requires the bunker to find concrete evidence to over turn that decision & if there is none , the on field decision is the decision
there was no evidence either way
yet they over turn the no try ruling , an utter rubbish call & completely wrong

but
this mob continue to embarrass themselves & the game each week so I'm not sure why we're surprised
 
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