2019 Discussion

[franklin2323]

He played two good games for us since origin, the rest were terrible. Seriously that's no exaggeration, go and look at the results and remember how he played. He started well then went down hill quickly.
He is supposed to be a big game player and he not just went missing but was completely shithouse doing everything wrong against the sharks.

Yeah but he wasn't alone. If he gets the Australian 7 the pack and service from Cook will see him have more space and a platform to work from

 

[betcats]

Yeah but he wasn't alone. If he gets the Australian 7 the pack and service from Cook will see him have more space and a platform to work from

Im not saying he shouldn't be picked, im sure he will do well if he does.

Im just saying his form us hasn't been great hence the criticism.

 

[umina panther]

Sauce is way too important to be moved on until the pissweak pack can deliver constantly

 

[umina panther]

And for the pack to have a chance Maloney needs to pull his f**king head in and not give away penalties

 

[betcats]

Mansour is problem. Have you ever seen him beat anyone in the air? He is hit or miss when he comes in but teams like the Roosters use the crossfield kick. He'd be no chance of winning the contest.

Who knows what an off season can do for players. Someone may come from the clouds like Cook did but for me. I am a Whare fan but DWZ should be centre and Edwards wing and find a ball playing fullback or move Yeo to lock and get a 2nd rower that can kick or something

Kikau has a little Graham like kick in his game. Mansour is solid but I would've let him go after his last contract but he is solid, we gave Whare a season or more to get back to form, Mansour is coming off some serious injuries he might still get better.

I know what you are saying about our attack, its not good enough. I just don't think its the players or a lack of talent, they haven't been coached an effective style for almost 3 seasons, 6 weeks of Ciraldo and co. isn't long enough to change what they been doing for that long under hook.

 

[betcats]

And for the pack to have a chance Maloney needs to pull his f**king head in and not give away penalties

And for him to not leave gaping holes in the defensive line.

 

[franklin2323]

Kikau has a little Graham like kick in his game. Mansour is solid but I would've let him go after his last contract but he is solid, we gave Whare a season or more to get back to form, Mansour is coming off some serious injuries he might still get better.

I know what you are saying about our attack, its not good enough. I just don't think its the players or a lack of talent, they haven't been coached an effective style for almost 3 seasons, 6 weeks of Ciraldo and co. isn't long enough to change what they been doing for that long under hook.

Kikau and Blake have a great partnership building. As Kikau gets used to playing 2nd row will be a weapon both defence and attack.

I get that but Maloney is aging will get worse.
Cleary's issue is his vision or lack of it.
Whare is average speed, height with limited ball skills.
Yeo is a hard worker and even in lower grades didn't offload
DWZ great runner of the ball but no ball skills.

For me. The hookers, Edwards and JFH are where the options lie with better coaching to give the extra something needed.

I hope to be proven wrong though.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Im not saying he shouldn't be picked, im sure he will do well if he does.

Im just saying his form us hasn't been great hence the criticism.

So your saying that he was shit house for half a season but he should still be picked to play for Australia... that makes sense.

I think you need to look at the teams all round performance and stop focusing on one player.

He played hurt most of the 2nd half of the season, that combined with a pack that wasn’t going forward is why we played poorly.

Hopefully he gets healthy, has a good pre season with Nathan and the rest of the spine and comes out firing.

 

[umina panther]

So your saying that he was shit house for half a season but he should still be picked to play for Australia... that makes sense.

I think you need to look at the teams all round performance and stop focusing on one player.

He played hurt most of the 2nd half of the season, that combined with a pack that wasn’t going forward is why we played poorly.

Hopefully he gets healthy, has a good pre season with Nathan and the rest of the spine and comes out firing.

Jimmy's issues are in the head not his body. Those penalties against the Sharks were unforgivable, just f**king moronic

 

[mxlegend99]

So your saying that he was shit house for half a season but he should still be picked to play for Australia... that makes sense.

I think you need to look at the teams all round performance and stop focusing on one player.

He played hurt most of the 2nd half of the season, that combined with a pack that wasn’t going forward is why we played poorly.

Hopefully he gets healthy, has a good pre season with Nathan and the rest of the spine and comes out firing.

He was well below standard for atleast half the season.

He had 5 or 6 great games while Nathan was out. A couple once he returned before Origin. And great games against Storm and Warriors.

~10 games out of 22 by where he was at the level we expected him to be. He should have been rested after Origin. It was obvious he was starting to play busted and at his age needed the break. I

But rather then rest him we kept playing him making his body worse while he was a huge liability to the team. He was the worst player on the field against Sharks. But had we rested him while busted he might have been the player we needed him to be. Or maybe not. But we wouldnt have been any worse off.

 

[mxlegend99]

Jimmy's issues are in the head not his body. Those penalties against the Sharks were unforgivable, just f**king moronic

He has head issues. But his body was definitely f**ked.

The cannonball tackle was his head. His missed tackles were just him sucking at defence. Him not stepping up in attack was slmost certainly on his body.

We know we have to cover him missing tackles and giving away penalties. His work with the ball is what makes it worthwhile though.

He just couldn't contribute like hes capable of though. Its not nerves. Or experience. Or confidence IMO. It had to be his body.

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

He was well below standard for atleast half the season.

He had 5 or 6 great games while Nathan was out. A couple once he returned before Origin. And great games against Storm and Warriors.

~10 games out of 22 by where he was at the level we expected him to be. He should have been rested after Origin. It was obvious he was starting to play busted and at his age needed the break. I

But rather then rest him we kept playing him making his body worse while he was a huge liability to the team. He was the worst player on the field against Sharks. But had we rested him while busted he might have been the player we needed him to be. Or maybe not. But we wouldnt have been any worse off.

Gus made a cyptic comment over the weekend that Hook and his disagreements had something to do with Jimmy not being rested when he came back from origin, and the couple of games during origin. One game in particular was (according to Gus) the roosters game.
Gus alluded to this being one of the biggest deal breakers with Hook completing the rest of the season.
Whether this is fact or fiction I have no idea. I do remember Gus through during origin and post origin saying Jimmy, Nathan would be rested and they weren't.

I know too that it's very easy to go back and draw lines, have conclusions in hindsight.

I don't want Jimmy playing the tests at seasons end. According to Gus he needs surgery to have his neck fused. He also needs a good lay off and rest.

 

[umina panther]

Gus made a cyptic comment over the weekend that Hook and his disagreements had something to do with Jimmy not being rested when he came back from origin, and the couple of games during origin. One game in particular was (according to Gus) the roosters game.
Gus alluded to this being one of the biggest deal breakers with Hook completing the rest of the season.
Whether this is fact or fiction I have no idea. I do remember Gus through during origin and post origin saying Jimmy, Nathan would be rested and they weren't.

I know too that it's very easy to go back and draw lines, have conclusions in hindsight.

I don't want Jimmy playing the tests at seasons end. According to Gus he needs surgery to have his neck fused. He also needs a good lay off and rest.

Whilst Hook is an awful coach this is his call and not Gus'

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Whilst Hook is an awful coach this is his call and not Gus'

I totally agree.

I had this discussion with my big brother over the weekend (he's not a Panther fan) but said. Gus needs to back right away from coaching, who plays or anything to do with that when the new coach arrives.

CC needs the support and help, but an experienced coach like Ivan doesn't.

It's like at the moment he's like a former boy friend who just quite make a total break.

If Ivan returns and Gus continues to stick his nose in, it will all end in tears again. This possibly needs to be spelt out in the contract for the new coach.

If Gus feels the great need to butt in, he should just take up the whistle again.

 

[betcats]

So your saying that he was shit house for half a season but he should still be picked to play for Australia... that makes sense.

I think you need to look at the teams all round performance and stop focusing on one player.

He played hurt most of the 2nd half of the season, that combined with a pack that wasn’t going forward is why we played poorly.

Hopefully he gets healthy, has a good pre season with Nathan and the rest of the spine and comes out firing.

Im not saying he should or shouldn't be picked stop putting words in my mouth, Im just saying he didn't have a great season, the fact that Mal mentioned him means nothing to me.

The pack was going forward that's just bullshit that we were being dominated through the middle every week, im not buying that Jimmys form fell right off a cliff after origin, he came in on a big name contract and played some absolutely woeful games for us in the last part of the season.

 

[Pomoz]

Whilst Hook is an awful coach this is his call and not Gus'

This is true and Gus allowed Hook to make the call even though he disagreed with it. He didn't make Hook rest Cleary and Maloney.

The thing about leadership is, if you are allowed to make your own decisions you must be prepared to be accountable for the outcomes. I see nothing wrong with Gus saying that decision was an example of why Hook had to go. Every week, Hook was probably one of only two people in Australia who thought it was the correct decision not to rest Maloney and Cleary. The other one was the opposition coach.

 

[umina panther]

This is true and Gus allowed Hook to make the call even though he disagreed with it. He didn't make Hook rest Cleary and Maloney.

The thing about leadership is, if you are allowed to make your own decisions you must be prepared to be accountable for the outcomes. I see nothing wrong with Gus saying that decision was an example of why Hook had to go. Every week, Hook was probably one of only two people in Australia who thought it was the correct decision not to rest Maloney and Cleary. The other one was the opposition coach.

Yeah but saying that the halves would be rested was the bullshit Gus ego that he's famous for. Just unprofessional

 

[franklin2323]

Yeah but saying that the halves would be rested was the bullshit Gus ego that he's famous for. Just unprofessional

Nothing wrong with him saying. I am not sure if they will play have to check with the medical team and coaching staff.

 

[Pomoz]

Yeah but saying that the halves would be rested was the bullshit Gus ego that he's famous for. Just unprofessional

Or maybe he just thought it is such an obvious decision (lets be honest, everybody thought that was the right thing to do and subsequent performances just made that decision look correct) that it wasn't contentious. If Hook took it as "f*ck Gus, how dare he say that, I'll decide what happens", then it says a lot about his fragile self confidence and lack of maturity as a leader. It would also highlight his unsuitability to be a leader because it is all about him. A generally accepted definition of leadership is "the ability to get a group of people to achieve a goal". There are literally thousands of definitions saying the same thing. None of them mention "the ability to get a group of people to achieve a goal and make all the decisions". Why the hell he wouldn't listen to a bloke who has coached SOO is beyond me. If he says the players need resting, is there a chance he could, be right?

On the other hand he could just be old school and thought "harden up and take a cup of concrete" and thought Maloney and Cleary could play through it. He is big on toughness and said the Panthers were too soft until he arrived. Sports science is a bit more sophisticated than "toughen up princess" these days though.

 

[Luke Bowden]

Im not saying he should or shouldn't be picked stop putting words in my mouth, Im just saying he didn't have a great season, the fact that Mal mentioned him means nothing to me.

The pack was going forward that's just bullshit that we were being dominated through the middle every week, im not buying that Jimmys form fell right off a cliff after origin, he came in on a big name contract and played some absolutely woeful games for us in the last part of the season.

I disagree