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2019 Discussion

franklin2323

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I assume your considering Maloney as a half then. But what about Whare??

http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/dean-whare/summary.html

According to the above.

Edwards 25
Mansour 117
Blake 78
Whare 130
DWZ 96

Then the backup
MWZ 29
Phillips 15
Aekins 1
Keighran 0

Halves
Maloney 225
Cleary 58
Luai 4
Coleman 0

Hookers
Katoa 33
Egan 11

So we need more from the props but experience wise they are decent. Outside backs and hooker is the inexperience
 

MrBlack

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http://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/players/dean-whare/summary.html

According to the above.

Edwards 25
Mansour 117
Blake 78
Whare 130
DWZ 96

Then the backup
MWZ 29
Phillips 15
Aekins 1
Keighran 0

Halves
Maloney 225
Cleary 58
Luai 4
Coleman 0

Hookers
Katoa 33
Egan 11

So we need more from the props but experience wise they are decent. Outside backs and hooker is the inexperience

Whare surprised me. He seemed like he has been around forever. Did a quick check on Panthers website and got this

Year Games
2010 4
2011 1
2012 20
2013 24
2014 26
2015 13
2016 1
2017 18
2018 22
Total 129

Some pretty lean years there.
 

franklin2323

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Whare surprised me. He seemed like he has been around forever. Did a quick check on Panthers website and got this

Year Games
2010 4
2011 1
2012 20
2013 24
2014 26
2015 13
2016 1
2017 18
2018 22
Total 129

Some pretty lean years there.

DWZ hasn't even got 100 yet but is going into his 6th season of FG. Our issue has been keeping guys on the field hence our senior guys have missed plenty of games.
 

mxlegend99

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I think experience is being overrated a bit. After a certain point it starts to reach diminishing returns really.

Anyone who has been a top 17 player for 3 years/50ish games is experienced enough. They might still have room to improve. But if they were the best option available for 50+ games then they are both experienced enough and good enough. We have:

Backs... 6/7 are established as above average and more than experienced enough. Only concerns here are injuries effecting recent form.

DWZ - 96 NRL games, 4x finals series, 7 tests for NZ. Due to add captaining NZ and more tests by next season
Blake - 78 NRL games, 2x finals series, 2x minor rep jerseys (fiji and city vs country). Also coming off a breakout season scoring 13 tries in 16 gamed
Whare - 130 NRL games, 3x finals series, 19 tests for NZ
Mansour - 117 NRL games, 4x finals series, 3x Origin appearances, 7 tests for Australia
Maloney - 225 NRL games, 2x GF wins, 1x runner up, 12x Origin appearances, 3x tests for Australia
Cleary - 58 NRL games, 3x finals series, 3x Origin appearances

Pack:
RCG - 91 NRL games, 2x finals series, 1 Origin appearance, 5x tests for Australia
Tamou - 221 NRL games, 1x GF win, 8x finals series, 14x Origin appearances, 12x tests for Australia
Yeo - 108 NRL games, 3x finals series, 1 minor rep jersey (country)
Merrin - 204 NRL games, 1x GF win, 6x finals series, 13x Origin appearances, 7x tests for Australia
JFH - 63x NRL games, 3x finals series, 2x tests for NZ. Adding more this off season

That's 11 players with a very broad variety of experience. But experience isnt the be all end all when you consider Villiiame Kikau was among our best all season while our 3x experienced test props were all disappointing.

More games played doesnt mean much. Merrin was a better player 50 games ago. As were Mansour and Whare. Although they have both had serious injuries that hurt their form.

I think our biggest weakness is easily hooker. Experience is part of the reason, but I don't think either hooker has proven themselves worthy of being a top 17 player as yet. They didnt force their way into the team like some of our other guys with less experience (Dylan Edwards, Villiame Kikau for example). They simply kept getting promoted due to players infront leaving. Katoa made his debut in 2015 due to injuries to Korisau and Segeyaro. 3 years later and he is only our first choice hooker because Wallace had to retire.

Our experienced guys have arguably more question marks over them then inexperienced ones. If we had Whare, Mansour, RCG, Mez, Tamou and Maloney all play at even 90% of their potential we would be almost unrecognizable as a team.
 

franklin2323

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Compare those you listed with the teams that finished in front of us this year. Actually do the same comparison the last 3 years.

Stupid penalties, inability to defend after mistakes etc is all areas we fall behind. All that goes with experience.

That is where my frustration at the roster comes from. You have Gus in his podcast saying the 4 are there due to experience.. Yet we are no more experienced then we were when he punted Ivan
 
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Compare those you listed with the teams that finished in front of us this year. Actually do the same comparison the last 3 years.

Stupid penalties, inability to defend after mistakes etc is all areas we fall behind. All that goes with experience.

That is where my frustration at the roster comes from. You have Gus in his podcast saying the 4 are there due to experience.. Yet we are no more experienced then we were when he punted Ivan
And our most capped player and captain was one of the worst
 

franklin2323

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Canberra are chumps. If we can't find a way to hide Maloney in defence then he needs to go or we won't be a threat come finals...yet again

He should of been defending inbetween Yeo and Whare. Kikau is poor in defence he will get better but ATM Maloney should be hidden
 

unKwn

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DWZ could have had a try and 2 try assists if maumalo grounded it and Manu didn't drop it (and DWZ was cleared for onside)
 

mxlegend99

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DWZ is really having a crack at fullback.

Will be hard to put Edwards in after so long on the sidelines.

Conversely it will be difficult to move DWZ to the wing.
He comes at risk of making a dumb mistake. But he runs the ball so hard and it helps greatly with momentum.
 

martielang

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We look a better side with Edwards at fullback imo. I think we really missed him at times this year & it’s a bit of an out of sight out of mind situation.

In saying that, no reason DWZ & Edwards can’t share the role throughout a game.
 

Luke Bowden

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DWZ could have had a try and 2 try assists if maumalo grounded it and Manu didn't drop it (and DWZ was cleared for onside)

I tried to rewind and look, my best guess is that he was just Off side. But it’s really tight.
 
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