2019 Discussion

Panther Pete · Sep 28, 2018

‘91 grand final is on FOX at 9pm tonight if anyone wants to watch it for the 100th time.

martielang · Sep 28, 2018

jane the pain said:
Cheers for the laugh. JFH does not give out the penalties like Jack does.

Strangely enough, I don’t base a players ability solely on the amount of penalties they concede.

Fangs · Sep 28, 2018

martielang said:
Strangely enough, I don’t base a players ability solely on the amount of penalties they concede.

Martie setting the forum on FIRE this off-season.

Fangs · Sep 28, 2018

Panther Pete said:
‘91 grand final is on FOX at 9pm tonight if anyone wants to watch it for the 100th time.

Brandy's first kick for touch off the penalty. The nerves.

herbert henry1908 · Sep 28, 2018

martielang said:
Strangely enough, I don’t base a players ability solely on the amount of penalties they concede.

Hetherington needs a solid stint in reserves where he shows he can control himself before he’s selected again. Without getting it out of his game he’s a liability.

Kilkenny · Sep 28, 2018

jane the pain said:
Cheers for the laugh. JFH does not give out the penalties like Jack does.

Too much is being made about the supposed ill discipline from Jack Hethrington.

It really is a non issue. Yes he has done some dumb things, yes he has given away a few too many penalties and served a few suspensions along the way.

JFH in the 2016 Semi Final against the Canberra Raiders gave away two penalties for high tackles in the latter stages of the game when the momentum was all with the Panthers. Were they high shots, maybe, were they worthy of conceding penalties, maybe but maybe not. Regardless, the two penalties he conceded turned the momentum back to the Raiders and we lost.

I thought JFH was very hard done by in that semi final in 2016 and I think Jack Hethrington was equally hard done by this season.

Jack Hethrington will learn from his mistakes, sort his issues and will be a regular starter in 2019.

Panther Pete · Sep 29, 2018

Fangs said:
Brandy's first kick for touch off the penalty. The nerves.

Yep. And his first kick in general play went dead but he certainly made up for it later in the game!

jane the pain · Sep 29, 2018

Kilkenny said:
Too much is being made about the supposed ill discipline from Jack Hethrington.

It really is a non issue. Yes he has done some dumb things, yes he has given away a few too many penalties and served a few suspensions along the way.

JFH in the 2016 Semi Final against the Canberra Raiders gave away two penalties for high tackles in the latter stages of the game when the momentum was all with the Panthers. Were they high shots, maybe, were they worthy of conceding penalties, maybe but maybe not. Regardless, the two penalties he conceded turned the momentum back to the Raiders and we lost.

I thought JFH was very hard done by in that semi final in 2016 and I think Jack Hethrington was equally hard done by this season.

Jack Hethrington will learn from his mistakes, sort his issues and will be a regular starter in 2019.

There is room for both in the squad.

jane the pain · Sep 29, 2018

martielang said:
Strangely enough, I don’t base a players ability solely on the amount of penalties they concede.

And I do? Solid, but, wrong assumption you just made.

franklin2323 · Sep 29, 2018

Hetherington and Luai both missed the 2016 NYC GF for copping 5+ week suspensions.

He was in an out of NSW Cup with injury. Didn't play the Final last year.

Got binned and suspended round 2 this year in NSW Cup. Kept that going across the year. Needs a stint of just playing footy before can throw him away .

Ideally he starts in NSW Cup next year playing long minutes and go from that

Matthew Ellis · Sep 29, 2018

franklin2323 said:
Got binned and suspended round 2 this year in NSW Cup. Kept that going across the year. Needs a stint of just playing footy before can throw him away .

In the post match interview after the Dragons game DWZ said when he's playing fb he the guys he rides the most (about defending fatigued) are Merrin and Hetherington. He'll always walk the line and sometimes go over it but he might improve if got fitter. Confidently Merrin has given away the 3rd most penalties in our team, the most of any forward (according to fox lab).

Though tbf I think for Herthington it's more he goes 100 miles an hour and tries to put a hit on every tackle.

billypilgrimnz · Sep 29, 2018

Matthew Ellis said:
Though tbf I think for Herthington it's more he goes 100 miles an hour and tries to put a hit on every tackle.

For me, the main problem is that he is completely and utterly brainless (on the field; would have no idea what he is like off it).

Matthew Ellis · Sep 29, 2018

billypilgrimnz said:
For me, the main problem is that he is completely and utterly brainless (on the field; would have no idea what he is like off it).

I'm not saying it'll completely fix up his discipline. He'll always be aggressive and at times goes over the line but I think it would at least lessen the penalties he gives away and is a step in the right direction. Idk maybe he's already one of our fitter forwards and just needs to be told to pace himself a bit more.

martielang · Sep 30, 2018

billypilgrimnz said:
For me, the main problem is that he is completely and utterly brainless (on the field; would have no idea what he is like off it).

Not the first nor last player to be though. When he stops trying to make a statement every play, I think he’ll improve substantially. Hopefully.

franklin2323 · Oct 2, 2018

martielang said:
Not the first nor last player to be though. When he stops trying to make a statement every play, I think he’ll improve substantially. Hopefully.

A lot of the issues are immaturity across the team. The only guys we have seen their best is Mansour, Whare, Maloney, Merrin and Tamou.

With them it is getting them to show it regularly. The rest it is just having the right things in place to get them to where they should be

Kilkenny · Oct 2, 2018

I think the Roosters clearly demonstrated where you need to be to win a premiership.

There defence was outstanding all season and against the Bunnies & Storm in the finals basically impregnable.

At no stage in 2018 did we demonstrate any where the level of the same defensive capabilities as the Roosters.

We did well coming back from 12-14 point deficits on numerous occasions this seasons but if we give up so many soft points in 2019 well we will be lucky to make the top eight so it is clearly an area we need to address.

umina panther · Oct 2, 2018

Kilkenny said:
I think the Roosters clearly demonstrated where you need to be to win a premiership.

There defence was outstanding all season and against the Bunnies & Storm in the finals basically impregnable.

At no stage in 2018 did we demonstrate any where the level of the same defensive capabilities as the Roosters.

We did well coming back from 12-14 point deficits on numerous occasions this seasons but if we give up so many soft points in 2019 well we will be lucky to make the top eight so it is clearly an area we need to address.

Its amazing they won with such an average forward pack really

franklin2323 · Oct 2, 2018

umina panther said:
Its amazing they won with such an average forward pack really

Not many mistakes in an average pack. Give me a pack of Yeo's over a pack of Burgesses any day

umina panther · Oct 2, 2018

franklin2323 said:
Not many mistakes in an average pack. Give me a pack of Yeo's over a pack of Burgesses any day

How they managed to win with some super inconsistent players in Napa and JWH is surprising

Exsilium · Oct 2, 2018

umina panther said:
How they managed to win with some super inconsistent players in Napa and JWH is surprising

Siosiua Taukeiaho, Isaac Liu and Zane Tetevano hold the middle really well.

Cordner often spends time in the middle third defending when their props rotate.

They’re a solid pack even without Napa and JWH

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