Whilst that's true Manly aren't in too dissimilar a situation, Koroisau and Fainu are good dummy halves but are primarily runners out of the Isaac Luke mould rather than your Cam Smith/Farah style playmaking dummy half, they've had 4 different 5/8ths now and Walker is a ball runner not a playmaker. Sure Ponga isn't an organising fullback but neither is Turbo. The difference for me between us and Manly are three fold, firstly DCE is just a better natural playmaker than Pearce, I think Pearce is a good competitor and probably has slightly better intangibles DCE controls the game better and has a better all round kicking game, secondly their a better coached side in terms of cohesion, game plan and mental toughness, our attack I feel is very rudimentary and relies too much on individuals doing their thing rather than an all round multi faceted attack, lastly Hasler has done a better job at getting the best out of the players. They kind of have more of a Melbourne Storm style squad structure in terms of quite a few top notch players and a few 'no names' with not that many middle of the road guys, we on the other hand seem to have 2 great players, 3 good players, 7-8 'decent' players and the best range from average to rookies/no names. Manly have 4-5 great players, 1-2 good players, 4-5 decent players and the rest rookies/no names. I personally think their philosophy is a better philosophy if you have the right coach and scouts to either improve those rookies/no names or have a defined enough role for them that doesn't expose their limitations.