2022 NRL ratings

[Canard]

Lets ignore the 2 covid years

2022
Roosters 17,705
Storm 18,390
2019
Roosters 17,251
Storm 18,290

A successful Sydney team with no fans with 9 other teams sharing 8 million people
opposed to a successful interstate team with a 8 million people population

So the Storm are better performed then their peers in Sydney.

Who as you quite rightly pointed out, have had over 100 years to build a fanbase, in a heartland area.

Weird, that you would put forward a post that so openly advocates for less teams in Sydney.

 

[Wb1234]

Lets ignore the 2 covid years

2022
Roosters 17,705
Storm 18,390
2019
Roosters 17,251
Storm 18,290

A successful Sydney team with no fans with 9 other teams sharing 8 million people
opposed to a successful interstate team with a 8 million people population

With all the success they have had both really get poor crowds

it’s such a shame the popular clubs couldn’t be dominant

at least if the roosters have a ten year lean period they have their assets and history to fall back on to keep them going

 

[Colk]

So the Storm are better performed then their peers in Sydney.

Who as you quite rightly pointed out, have had over 100 years to build a fanbase, in a heartland area.

Weird, that you would put forward a post that so openly advocates for less teams in Sydney.

Notwithstanding the whole 8 million population. NSW would have close to that (not quite) but Victoria would have 2 million less than that figure at least.

 

[Iamback]

Notwithstanding the whole 8 million population. NSW would have close to that (not quite) but Victoria would have 2 million less than that figure at least.

I get not every expansion team is going to be a Broncos, Given all the advantages Melbourne had - Teams folding mainly they should be stronger than they are

 

[Iamback]

With all the success they have had both really get poor crowds

it’s such a shame the popular clubs couldn’t be dominant

at least if the roosters have a ten year lean period they have their assets and history to fall back on to keep them going

The Demographics of Eastern Suburbs hurts the Roosters, They should get a nice boost with the new Stadium over the next couple of years

 

[Wb1234]

The Demographics of Eastern Suburbs hurts the Roosters, They should get a nice boost with the new Stadium over the next couple of years

It’s not all old rich people lol

get a lowie at the cloe (like sbw did)

 

[Iamback]

So the Storm are better performed then their peers in Sydney.

Who as you quite rightly pointed out, have had over 100 years to build a fanbase, in a heartland area.

Weird, that you would put forward a post that so openly advocates for less teams in Sydney.

Using that logic the Swans are better then 4 Melbourne teams in the AFL

 

[Iamback]

It’s not all old rich people lol

get a lowie at the cloe (like sbw did)

It is hipsters/Rainbow community or RU/AFL fans also. There is the reason Accor is the major ground in the city

 

[Colk]

I get not every expansion team is going to be a Broncos, Given all the advantages Melbourne had - Teams folding mainly they should be stronger than they are

I am not debating that point per se although I disagree. The Storm are doing fine - if 30 years ago league administrators were offered the current scenario where the Storm have the brand recognition and support they have now they would be deliriously happy. Quoting someone else on here it is not a game of risk - you just need a presence in a big media market and that presence pays for itself.

Anyway I was more questioning where you are getting your population figures from. Since when does Melbourne or Victoria have 8 million people?

 

[Perth Red]

I can only hope a future perth team is as successful as the storm have been, both as a club and for the games growth.

 

[Colk]

Using that logic the Swans are better then 4 Melbourne teams in the AFL

He wasn’t arguing that at all.

Nevertheless some teams create more money than others. I don’t know if that is better - I don’t even know what you mean by that better in that sense - however it is what it is.

 

[Iamback]

I am not debating that point per se although I disagree. The Storm are doing fine - if 30 years ago league administrators were offered the current scenario where the Storm have the brand recognition and support they have now they would be deliriously happy. Quoting someone else on here it is not a game of risk - you just need a presence in a big media market and that presence pays for itself.

Anyway I was more questioning where you are getting your population figures from. Since when does Melbourne or Victoria have 8 million people?

To get a full gauge you would need the Kayo/Fox numbers to see what impact they are making.

That should be 5 million people for Melbourne.

1 of the teams that fell over for Melbourne to come was a Brisbane team - Where would they sit if Crushers stayed instead, after 30 years of sustained success?

 

[Iamback]

He wasn’t arguing that at all.

Nevertheless some teams create more money than others. I don’t know if that is better - I don’t even know what you mean by that better in that sense - however it is what it is.

The argument being Storm crowds put them over some Sydney teams, However the full picture is a different story

 

[Ride the Lion to Zion]

1 of the teams that fell over for Melbourne to come was a Brisbane team - Where would they sit if Crushers stayed instead, after 30 years of sustained success?

This is a good counterfactual, but I reckon it's trumped by the transcendent benefits arising from the establishment of an NRL franchise in AFL territory.

The Storm are a beacon for all those who believe RL can succeed beyond its customary strongholds. The club represents tangible evidence that the aspirations of the early-mid 90s weren't wholly extinguished by the SL war. Without the ambition to expand the game, not just the size of the comp, NRL strategy would ossify to a never-ending rear guard fight against Fumble encroachment.

Time will tell whether it was wise, for the 16 to18 enlargement, to rationalize heartland capacity as the initial step.

If you have two tasks to perform, one more onerous than the other, where the full benefits will only be realized upon completion of both, it's generally best to get the difficult part done and dusted. Then you can relax and freewheel a bit. If you go vice versa, and the first easier part proves more awkward than expected, the second harder part will appear ever more daunting.

 

[Perth Red]

Storm are literally the blueprint for how the game needs to grow. Build them strong early, invest start funds in them, work with Govt to get a decent stadium, reap the rewards down the track with sustainability and large appeal that Tv loves and raises the national profile of the sport for sponsors. Only thing they got wrong was not investing some of that millions into NRLvic to grow grassroots and putting a kpi in Storms funding around local talent development.

You have to remeber though that Victoria started a long way back from WA in terms of grassroots participation and production. They are only really just getting serious about it now 20 years later in Vic.

 

[Wb1234]

It is hipsters/Rainbow community or RU/AFL fans also. There is the reason Accor is the major ground in the city

This is a good counterfactual, but I reckon it's trumped by the transcendent benefits arising from the establishment of an NRL franchise in AFL territory.

The Storm are a beacon for all those who believe RL can succeed beyond its customary strongholds. The club represents tangible evidence that the aspirations of the early-mid 90s weren't wholly extinguished by the SL war. Without the ambition to expand the game, not just the size of the comp, NRL strategy would ossify to a never-ending rear guard fight against Fumble encroachment.

Time will tell whether it was wise, for the 16 to18 enlargement, to rationalize heartland capacity as the initial step.

If you have two tasks to perform, one more onerous than the other, where the full benefits will only be realized upon completion of both, it's generally best to get the difficult part done and dusted. Then you can relax and freewheel a bit. If you go vice versa, and the first easier part proves more awkward than expected, the second harder part will appear ever more daunting.

I don’t agree with this it’s kind of insecure thinking

of course the nrl can succeed in afl territories

the question is was it better than the alternatives and was it worth the 100 million extra they cost which another club wouldn’t have needed

nrl has loads of potential expansion spots unlike afl and all those offer the game growth

copying afl should be the last priority for the nrl

at a great cost the storm are are a small (to medium at best) club on most measures and we don’t know how sustainable they are either until their success normalises

plus they dilute the qld playing pool making the qld teams weaker

a stronger broncos would’ve done way more for the game than the storm have achieved since 98

we could’ve ignored Melbourne Perth and Adelaide and have more qld teams, another team in nz, central coast and png and the game would be stronger and also way bigger than afl

 

[mongoose]

This is a good counterfactual, but I reckon it's trumped by the transcendent benefits arising from the establishment of an NRL franchise in AFL territory.

I don’t agree with this it’s kind of insecure thinking

of course the nrl can succeed in afl territories

the question is was it better than the alternatives and was it worth the 100 million extra they cost which another club wouldn’t have needed

nrl has loads of potential expansion spots unlike afl and all those offer the game growth

copying afl should be the last priority for the nrl

at a great cost the storm are are a small (to medium at best) club on most measures and we don’t know how sustainable they are either until their success normalises

plus they dilute the qld playing pool making the qld teams weaker

a stronger broncos would’ve done way more for the game than the storm have achieved since 98

we could’ve ignored Melbourne Perth and Adelaide and have more qld teams, another team in nz, central coast and png and the game would be stronger and also way bigger than afl

if the Storm didn't exist it doesn't mean those great queenslanders would have just stayed in Brisbane. The Raiders used to be the club that benefitted from Queensland. Slater, Smith and Cronk might have just ended up in Sydney. Cronk eventually did go to a Sydney club, Inglis too.

 

[Canard]

You know who has recruited far more Queenslanders over the last 2 decades, than the Storm, in fact almost 10 times more?

The Nine(9) teams located in Sydney.

 

[Iamback]

You know who has recruited far more Queenslanders over the last 2 decades, than the Storm, in fact almost 10 times more?

The Nine(9) teams located in Sydney.

I presume you can fill out a 1-17 of Victorians that have played in the NRL due to the Storm?

 

[Perth Red]

I presume you can fill out a 1-17 of Victorians that have played in the NRL due to the Storm?

No one cares, they don’t give out trophies for where your squad were born.

i could give you a pretty decent 1-17 of players the Storm pathways have developed and who made their debut for the club. That’s far more important.