2022 NRL ratings

[Iamback]

Lovely language.

It is $640 odd million vs early $400 odd million. There are also reports that their cash element is near $4 billion. So unless the NRL is lying and have got a lot more than they actually did then what you want me to do? Give V’Landys a pat on the back?

Have a read of the article that Webster wrote and V’Landys ‘responses’ Have a read about how the codes both did their negotiations. Compare our ratings. How much data or evidence do you need to admit something is wrong. It’s not my problem you don’t want to question the ‘leader’ or other inconvenient truths




I don’t hate the NRL, I love the game of Rugby League. That’s why I am frustrated by the situation on the TV rights between our game and fumbleball and the way that the game is generally run. You know where that extra money and revenue is going to go to - attacking our game, building ovals and funding their grassroots against in league areas

Just because you’re happy for the game to kowtow to News Ltd and other interests and never realise it’s potential then that’s your problem

Again is the $400m including of the $20m for Dolphins?

The $640m includes Telstra money, some of which is updating to better wifi at Marvel. Nothing to do with TV.

So provide actual facts so can discuss UNTIL so you are just whinging for the sake of whinging

As for the grassroots funding AFL does 100% of that in NRL the clubs do most of it

 

[Colk]

Again is the $400m including of the $20m for Dolphins?

The $640m includes Telstra money, some of which is updating to better wifi at Marvel. Nothing to do with TV.

So provide actual facts so can discuss UNTIL so you are just whinging for the sake of whinging

As for the grassroots funding AFL does 100% of that in NRL the clubs do most of it

Are you suggesting though that by the laws of probability that Telstra is the significant difference in this deal?

I know the difference between how they approach grassroots funding. Unless though clubs are all going to increase their funding to Penrith levels how are we going to make up the significant funding that is going to bombard us. This is why the TV thing is so significant - they can pour and pour money into grassroots and other developmental costs that we won’t be able to compete against.

 

[Iamback]

Are you suggesting though that by the laws of probability that Telstra is the significant difference in this deal?

I know the difference between how they approach grassroots funding. Unless though clubs are all going to increase their funding to Penrith levels how are we going to make up the significant funding that is going to bombard us. This is why the TV thing is so significant - they can pour and pour money into grassroots and other developmental costs that we won’t be able to compete against.

I am not saying anything because we know very little about either deals that is my point

Teams do plenty of funding
Run u16's, u18's, 21's and their own Junior Leagues

You are talking a couple of mill $ right there per club.

 

[Colk]

I am not saying anything because we know very little about either deals that is my point

Teams do plenty of funding
Run u16's, u18's, 21's and their own Junior Leagues

You are talking a couple of mill $ right there per club.

Well I disagree about the first point. You’ll probably never know every little finer detail about both of these deals (we still don’t know everything about the NRL deal for instance) yet that doesn’t mean you can’t make certain overall judgements based on the laws of probability.

Firstly, it is not very likely (impossible really unless you are accusing all of the parties of fraud) that they are lying about the final figure. So as a consequence straight away the final figure there is a massive difference between the two. So in order for that final figure to be not be reflective of a major difference either the following would have to have happened:

1. They have a contra figure of around $200m or more. If our contra figure is $30m which seems to be bandied about around here, than our cash is around $400m. Let’s say 10% is fine then that would mean their cash element would have to around $450m. I don’t think that would be likely.

2. The Telstra deal is gargantuan - let’s say more than $150 million (even then that just means that they are earning a lot more than we are on our Telstra deal) but the TV comparison would be less.

Also, media outlets are suggesting it is around $600 million cash per year. Now they could be wrong but it is unlikely that they would be considerably off.

If either of the two examples aren’t happening then that just means that their TV deal including cash component is just a lot greater than ours.

Also on the grassroots side, individual clubs might spend a couple of million which is great but if fumbleball, with the revenue gap increasing more and more, can simply outspend league on a massive scale, what is the plan?

 

[baselinepanther]

487K metro
325K foxtel for yesterdays 2nd elim final

probs pushing 1.5 mill when everyone is counted

last year
around 1.150 mill for the sunday without streaming
probs 1.350 mill with it

about 5.6 Mill in total for the 4 finals
about 100K more then 2021 , but NSW was locked down in 2021 so a huge contributing factor to ratings last year.
FTA down , STV up on last years due to kayo & its explosion of subscribers

 

[The_Wookie]

Should say 2021, not 2020. Damnit

					Metro	Reg Est	BVOD est	Fox STB	Kayo	Total
					Oztam	60% mtro	8% metro	Oztam	89% STB	Est
NRL	FW1	Fri	Penrith	Parramatta	509,000	305,400	67,595	314,000	279,460	1,475,455
NRL	FW1	Sat	Melbourne	Canberra	412,000	247,200	54,714	315,000	280,350	1,309,264
NRL	FW1	Sat	Cronulla	North Queensland	410,000	246,000	54,448	319,000	283,910	1,313,358
NRL	FW1	Sun	Sydney	South Sydney	487,000	292,200	64,674	325,000	289,250	1,458,124

estimates on season trend.

 

[Western_Eel]

The whole we need to spend more money on grass roots argument has me baffled.
where does all the money go?
where does the money from the parents go?
if a club has 300 registered players all paying around $250 each, i dont understand why they need any money from the NRL.

 

[The_Wookie]

The whole we need to spend more money on grass roots argument has me baffled.
where does all the money go?
where does the money from the parents go?
if a club has 300 registered players all paying around $250 each, i dont understand why they need any money from the NRL.

theoretically the NRL money should go to things like insurance, fee reductions/subsidys, equipment, facility upgrades etc - and reducing the amount of money paid by parents to as little as possible.

 

[baselinepanther]

The whole we need to spend more money on grass roots argument has me baffled.
where does all the money go?
where does the money from the parents go?
if a club has 300 registered players all paying around $250 each, i dont understand why they need any money from the NRL.

insurance is the biggest cost I was told.
then kit & equipment

it evaporates quickly

 

[baselinepanther]

theoretically the NRL money should go to things like insurance, fee reductions/subsidys, equipment, facility upgrades etc - and reducing the amount of money paid by parents to as little as possible.

hahaha
exactly what I was typing while you posted

 

[Wb1234]

So this year excluding New Zealand we beat fumble ball by approx 25 million viewers

next year with the dolphins it’s around 32 million without New Zealand

fundamentally afl can never bridge that gap. If anything the gap will only get bigger with team 18

and then the arlc need to develop an end of season international tournament featuring aus nz png fiji Samoa Tonga and the Cook Islands

as long as the arlc focuses on areas of growth afl will be a distant memory

the dolphins were the first part of the nrl going back to a growth strategy after decades of apathy

nrl will have club state and internationals covered

afl will have two suburban sides at the mcg

 

[Colk]

So this year excluding New Zealand we beat fumble ball by approx 25 million viewers

next year with the dolphins it’s around 32 million without New Zealand

fundamentally afl can never bridge that gap. If anything the gap will only get bigger with team 18

and then the arlc need to develop an end of season international tournament featuring aus nz png fiji Samoa Tonga and the Cook Islands

as long as the arlc focuses on areas of growth afl will be a distant memory

the dolphins were the first part of the nrl going back to a growth strategy after decades of apathy

nrl will have club state and internationals covered

afl will have two suburban sides at the mcg

Have you been away the last week of so?

 

[baselinepanther]

NRL ( comp)
H&A
625K X 192
120 million

finals week 1
5.5 Million
125.5 Million with 5 games to go
will end up about 135 Mill

AFL
H&A
540K X 199
107.5 Million
2 weeks of finals approx
9.5 Million
117 Million with 3 games to go
will end up about 125 Mill ish

add Origin 9.5 Mill
add pacific internationals & womens origin
2 mill

RL 146.5 Million
most ever I'd imagine

AFL
125 Mill

 

[Perth Red]

NRL ( comp)
H&A
625K X 192
120 million

finals week 1
5.5 Million
125.5 Million with 5 games to go
will end up about 135 Mill

AFL
H&A
540K X 199
107.5 Million
2 weeks of finals approx
9.5 Million
117 Million with 3 games to go
will end up about 125 Mill ish

add Origin 9.5 Mill
add pacific internationals & womens origin
2 mill

RL 146.5 Million
most ever I'd imagine

AFL
125 Mill

If only any of that mattered when it came to value!

 

[Wb1234]

Have you been away the last week of so?

Finals don’t want to waste too much time on afl flops.

that can wait till I’m bored in the off-season

as you know from watching the weekend the standard has been excellent

for the first time in years I watched just about every minute of the finals normally i get bored as it’s too one sided and I drift off

the cowboys and south’s wins had me buzzing

 

[Colk]

Finals don’t want to waste too much time on afl flops.

that can wait till I’m bored in the off-season

as you know from watching the weekend the standard has been excellent

for the first time in years I watched just about every minute of the finals normally i get bored as it’s too one sided and I drift off

the cowboys and south’s wins had me buzzing

That’s great mate. I totally agree with you. Raiders vs Storm was also a great game.

But we are not getting what we deserve and that s*** fumbleball is going to get 50% more than we are.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s great mate. I totally agree with you. Raiders vs Storm was also a great game.

But we are not getting what we deserve and that s*** fumbleball is going to get 50% more than we are.

I saw your comments on the match thread I felt a bit bad for you guys

ita a typical afl attempt to take attention away from our finals

I genuinely believe it’s a bs figure foxtel isn’t paying them those dollars

even if you want to believe it the problem for them is they aren’t making any ground in nsw or qld

let them spend another billion if they want too

league is in the best shape I’ve seen it since super league

let both sports reach their potential

we will wipe the floor with them

10 years ago we couldn’t compete with afl now we are in the shape where are reaching our potential

in that situation afl is irrelevant

I remember the dark days when union was a threat to us and afl was light years ahead

now union is dead and afl is struggling to grow in nsw and qld

end of the day their product is terrible and their players are very poor standard

 

[Colk]

I saw your comments on the match thread I felt a bit bad for you guys

ita a typical afl attempt to take attention away from our finals

I genuinely believe it’s a bs figure foxtel isn’t paying them those dollars

even if you want to believe it the problem for them is they aren’t making any ground in nsw or qld

let them spend another billion if they want too

league is in the best shape I’ve seen it since super league

let both sports reach their potential

we will wipe the floor with them

10 years ago we couldn’t compete with afl now we are in the shape where are reaching our potential

in that situation afl is irrelevant

I remember the dark days when union was a threat to us and afl was light years ahead

now union is dead and afl is struggling to grow in nsw and qld

end of the day their product is terrible and their players are very poor standard

I follow the Raiders so I was very happy with the result. I was also really happy that Souths and Cowboys won.

Eventually the wave of greater money will start to have an affect. For example, if they start buying more and more junior facilities and discounts re junior competitions this will bite us.

 

[Perth Red]

I saw your comments on the match thread I felt a bit bad for you guys

ita a typical afl attempt to take attention away from our finals

I genuinely believe it’s a bs figure foxtel isn’t paying them those dollars

even if you want to believe it the problem for them is they aren’t making any ground in nsw or qld

let them spend another billion if they want too

league is in the best shape I’ve seen it since super league

let both sports reach their potential

we will wipe the floor with them

10 years ago we couldn’t compete with afl now we are in the shape where are reaching our potential

in that situation afl is irrelevant

I remember the dark days when union was a threat to us and afl was light years ahead

now union is dead and afl is struggling to grow in nsw and qld

end of the day their product is terrible and their players are very poor standard

Betamax was better than VHS (showing my age here!), the best product doesn't always win out.

 

[Colk]

Betamax was better than VHS (showing my age here!), the best product doesn't always win out.

Jesus that is old lol. I would add vinyl but at least that is coming back in popularity