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2022 Origin III - Wed 13 Jul - QLD 22-12 NSW @ Suncorp

Series: QLD v NSW

  • Queensland

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • New South Wales

    Votes: 21 84.0%
  • Draw after Golden Point

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    25
  • Poll closed .

Perth Red

Post Whore
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How wasn't Gagai sent (not sin bin)?

Burton tripped over Ponga in trying to get back in the defensive line, gets up and Gagai initiates contact, Gagai throws the first punch, Burton retaliates, Tino holds him in a headlock and Gagai continues to land blows.

Did I miss something?
Well there is some subjectivity to all that looking at the footage! 1. Burton could have avoided Ponga but knocked him over, he was running from a fair ways away by time he reached where Ponga was. 2. Gagai just pushed him. Burton got up and ran at Gagai instigating further aggression. 3. Id say they started swinging at same moment, in fact it looks like Burton cocks his arm first to throw one. Tino didnt throw one, he just grappled him, Yeo comes running in and throws a cheap shot at someone with their back turned to him.

All in all just a good bit of biff that we all enjoyed and sin bin for both of them was a fair outcome. Long may it continue!
 

Galeforce

Bench
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2,602
Lol,
already too many Panther "croaked" the NSW side.
As for Cook , he only played 27 minutes and made 27 tackles , so spent most his time defending and behind a tired pack when NSW had the ball. So no sensible way to make a comparison. Api played well during his time.Cook done nothing wrong during his time.
 

Billythekid

First Grade
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and a Cleary clutch-play attempt that would've paid off 50% of the time and have Nathan right now hailed as Joey 2.0. Unfortunately for him, it was the other 50% of the time last night and so we're back to the "he's a hack/ goes missing/ overrated" comments Munster gets whenever Qld lose.
I disagree with almost everything your posting but this in particular takes the cake. Are you really going to call that desperation chip kick a 50/50 play? It was a hail mary that would be lucky to work even 10% of the time. There were plenty of good attacking opportunities in the game where Cleary could have made his stamp on the game but he failed to do so.
Lockyer dominated the 2001 series at 24. Stick to talking about NSWankers.
Eh Lockyers record was initially pretty spotty. He debuted in 1997 and in the next 9 origin series QLD managed to win only 2. The QLD dominance didn't start until 2006 when Johns was finished and the QLD team was stacked with the other superstars like Smith, Inglis and Thurston. Also after he retired from SOO that QLD side didn't miss a beat and just kept on dominating regardless.

Not saying he wasn't good at origin but I don't think he ever stamped himself as the dominant player for QLD.
 

big hit!

Bench
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3,452
Exactly.

For my thoughts on Cam Smith (and they are well documented here, believe me) he was full of praise for the heart and effort of the NSW defence last night. Say whatever you like about Freddy but that kind of resolute, all-in pressure defence has been a hallmark of his tenure, going right back to that first series in 2018 where they shut down Qld for 10 minutes minus Jack Bird.

NSW were in it until the 78th minute last night despite effectively setting up tents, a generator and a fire pit in their own 20 metre zone- and without arguably their top 3 most lethal attacking players from last series (Fox, Turbo, Latrell).

Yet (as I said earlier) the influence of Origin kayfabe means we have some NSW fans here bemoaning a lack of heart/ shitting the bed when it mattered, but it really came down to silly errors killing any chance they had at going for a tiring Qld pack in their own half, and a Cleary clutch-play attempt that would've paid off 50% of the time and have Nathan right now hailed as Joey 2.0. Unfortunately for him, it was the other 50% of the time last night and so we're back to the "he's a hack/ goes missing/ overrated" comments Munster gets whenever Qld lose. Amazing how short the memories are from people who apparently follow the game so closely. Never forget, Darren Lockyer didn't truly hit his stride at rep level until he was almost 30. He was one series loss from getting dumped out of the Qld teams. I'm not a PENRITH!!! supporter but Nathan is the most promising #7 for his age I've seen in a long, long time. He's not even 25 years old yet. It's amazing to think what he could do from here. If I were a betting man I'd be going out today and putting $ on PENRITH!!! to go back to back- he's going to feel as if he has a point to prove after last night and (I expect) is going to channel that determination into the Panthers. He also has a great team around him out there, which helps massively.

All well and good about Cleary. I don't get the stinging criticism of him, but DCE definitely got the 1%'ers right last night better than he did. They compound over the course of the match.

There are Penrith players who have earned their position in an Origin team such as Chinry, Yeo, Api, To'o, (and and as an ex-Panther, Capwell for QLD). The others simply benefit and are made to look like stars off the back of the work these guys (+ Fisher-Harris & Edwards) do at clubland. 4 players in a rep team is a great representation for a club in a salary capped league. Freddy is taking the piss with 7, and it tells me he didn't watch enough games, and do his due diligence on his team. They're not all Origin quality. Laui, Crichton, Martin in particular should be nowhere near it.

Tupou from the Roosters is a solid player in the NRL, but not a rep player either. NSW didn't use his perceived asset - the air - once in this series. Talakai? f**k me, he ran over morgan harper of all players in a thursday night match Freddy was probably on the sideline working for channel 9. Lazy selection. RCG was omitted because the panthers boys don't like him. Was this your team Freddy? Nah, it was the boombox kids calling the shots.

Good riddance if he's gone. He simply got lucky one season when Turbo was unstoppbale, and then the other when Mitchell killed it. Otherwise, Bennett and Slater showed him up badly.
 

Desert Qlder

First Grade
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Again, Lockyer was dominant in 2001. Created numerous chances from fullback by being too good for rushing defences. Basically set the tone for the series setting up the first try in Origin 1.

Same again in game 3. Although memories are clouded by the Langer comeback, it was Lockyer that was the basis for the attack creating chances from his own half. People forget how good he was at fullback because he became one of the top two halves of his era with Thurston.

Perhaps you just need to re-watch the series.
 

yobbo84

Coach
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11,303
As a Dragons supporter this is sadly untrue. The only joy we’ve had for a decade has been Blues victories. I think it makes it more meaningful when the comp feels out of reach.
If you could choose only one, would you rather Dragons win the premiership, or NSW win Origin?

Now ask the same question to a Queenslander (their club win the NRL or QLD win origin).
 

big hit!

Bench
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NSW too structured in that 2nd half, needed to break out of it... QLD also just looked like they wanted it more, I don't get NSW in those kind of games - it's like they are just going through the motions and hoping something will happen.

Surely thats the end of Jurbo and Saifiti's origin careers, Offer nothing

They tried to break out of it with Luai's pass and Crichton's offload, and Cleary's chip kick. Where did it get them? High risk, negative return. Maybe if Luai's pass was thrown to an actual winger or centre rather than a prop masqaurading as an OB in an origin game, then that pass could've been on. A smart half would know his personnel, and a capable coach would select the right ones for him.
 
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Game_Breaker

Coach
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I think DCE showed his maturity, he was kicking tackle 2 and 3 just to get the ball on the grass down the other end and turn NSW around.

Clearly on the other hand didn’t change it up when NSW were dominated, each set got to half way and did a mid field bomb, as the half back he should know when to change it up

When they were being dominated they should've given the ball to Burton to kick the f**k our of the ball. The guy has the biggest boot in the game and barely utilised it
 

big hit!

Bench
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If you could choose only one, would you rather Dragons win the premiership, or NSW win Origin?

Now ask the same question to a Queenslander (their club win the NRL or QLD win origin).

Maybe both? Like a football fan who loves their premier league club, and then their country in international comps?

NSW administrators, players, and fans have downplayed Origin from day 1. It's why QLD won the first two exhibition games, and the first 3 series in front of raucous fans with supposedly inferior teams of players playing in the tinpot Brisbane comp. In contrast, NSW officials, players, and fans have gone into every season thinking that their win is as guaranteed as simply turning up, and those inbreds from the north with little depth couldn't surely win another series again.

QLD wins will continue for as long as this mindset permeates the NSW approach to origin.
 
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Eelectrica

Referee
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If you could choose only one, would you rather Dragons win the premiership, or NSW win Origin?

Now ask the same question to a Queenslander (their club win the NRL or QLD win origin).
I'm a QLD Parra supporter. Winning Origin is nice and all, but give me a Parra premiership dammit!

Premiership is the prize. Origin happens every year. We all get a side. Grand Finals are a lot rarer. Most of us are neutrals came grand final time.
 

Valheru

Coach
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If you could choose only one, would you rather Dragons win the premiership, or NSW win Origin?

Now ask the same question to a Queenslander (their club win the NRL or QLD win origin).
They wouldn't seriously say QLD win origin would they?
 

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