2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Wb1234]

Gill the dill? Known as the best sports negotiator in Australia and the best negotiator Richard Goyder (chairman of Qantas and the AFL and previous head of wesfarmers) has ever seen in the business world. You can see why they wanted him to stick around to negotiate these rights.

I hope Vlandy's slept well last night, a cheap dig from Peter across the fence should have us back feeling like we are even again tomorrow. Well it will at least keep all the halfwits on here feeling warm and fuzzy.

Since vlandys became nrl boss he’s relegated afl to second spot

until we see real evidence the figures he’s announced just simply aren’t believeable

sorry but foxtel aren’t paying 470 million pa

anyone who thinks they are is delusional

 

[Perth Red]

Was 2011 when you were part of the WA Reds and you got dicked around by the admin when they announced the Pirates?

Yep

 

[Iamback]

The headline don’t really match up with his article, which clearly highlights the flaws in NRL re-negation strategy during COVID.

His article calls out each codes “rubbery” figures when it comes to cash and contra. However, Masters still concedes the AFL will receive between $100m to $170m extra in cash annually than NRL.

So by negotiating a 7 year deal 3 years out from current deal expiring - AFL have guarenteed for the 2025, 2026 and 2027 period they will have at least $300m and at most $510m more than NRL.

That’s just the 2025-2027 period. Doesn’t include the extra money AFL got thru the COVID years or 2023-24.

So basically, the AFL from 2020 to 2027 will have walked away with at least $500m more in media rights than NRL in the same time period.

Haha that’s a disgrace anyway you spin it. Be nice if NRL released its commercial in confidence figures so a real calculation could be made.

And for those saying “yeah but, in our next deal for 2028 and beyond - NRL gonna smash it and make up the difference”. Huge problem in that is:

1. Current NRL cash deal is $370m - AFL is $550m. So you gonna have to bump it up by $180m a year just to match AFL from 2028. Easier said than done.

2. AFL made at least $500m more from 2020-27. So for the next 2028-2032 deal you gonna have to increase it by $180m plus another $100m a year to break even with the losses from COVID era. A $280m yearly increase - or 48% - over the next 2028-3032 deal. Good luck with that PVL.

3. AFL gets to renegotiate as soon as the 2028-32 NRL deal is done to counter any gains NRL has made for its next deal and beyond.

4. Ask yourself why AFL made it a longer deal of 7 years? What strategy does that serve? Id say it serves a number of purposes, but one key goal is it paints NRL into a corner that they’ll never make up the $500m plus they missed out on during 2020-2027 - at least not from media rights.

Seriously, AFL have destroyed it in the COVID era. When thinking of the NRL during the COVID era I’m just drawn to the timeless phrase “Empty vessel always makes the most noise”.

Imagine having the Gaul to joke at Gil and Victoria etc in a press conference to announce the GF will be held in the same place we all knew it would, yet again after failing to convince government to fund new stadiums then a month later finding out AFL will make at least half a billion more from 2020-27 period than your own Code.

Its clown show.

Imagine half a billion more to grow your game at grass roots etc during COVID and the rebuild from it. NRL could fund its own stadium redevelopments with that money.

You can’t spin this as a positive for NRL. They are 40 years behind the AFL as far as good governance and expansion is concerned. And being at least half a billion dollars poorer over the 2020-27 period ain’t gonna help it.

So by 2032 with at least an extra $500m in media right, AFL will have secured state art facilities:

- MCG new shane warne stand
- Marvel upgrade
- Geelong and country Vic upgrade for commonwealth games
- Perth and Adelaide ovals sorted
- SCG will no doubt get a new stand
- Gabba complete rebuild for olympics
- Tasmania a new stadium
- plus ovals and community ground popping up all over the place for AFLW etc

NRL can’t even manage to upgrade Liechardt Oval ffs… It’s not even fair, someone stop the fight. Gil and his merry men have just ripped PVL’s heart out thru his throat and feasted on it. No wonder Gil says sweet FA about PVL in public. He’s too busy laughing about him behind closed doors

Roy Masters doesn't write the headlines and 2 the AFL deal is complex, So the announcement doesn't tell the full picture

Channel 7 has reported to the stock market

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) secures AFL rights until 2031

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) has secured the media rights to broadcast the Australian Football League (AFL) from 2025 to 2031.

themarketherald.com.au

A 14% jump in rights it is paying

Financial review has Channel 7 sitting currently at $150m

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) secures AFL rights until 2031

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) has secured the media rights to broadcast the Australian Football League (AFL) from 2025 to 2031.

themarketherald.com.au

Gives you $171m going forward. Contra is unknown

Ch9 is paying NRL as of this moment $130m. $15m of that is contra

Given the 5 capital city reach of AFL, Game in quarters etc that seems reasonable and can be closed if team 18 is Perth and Dolphins provide the boost to sponsors

Telstra stated they are paying $50m - This isn't included in NRL broadcast rights

Given the deal for 2023-24 is for $946m for 2 years that leaves $273m for fox

NRL deal is for $409m ( including Contra )
Ch9 $130m
leaves fox sports/Sky sports $279m

So the current TV deals only

AFL FTA $150m
NRL FTA $130m

AFL Pay TV $273m
NRL Pay TV $279m

The difference being the 5 capital city reach of AFL in FTA, current deal difference $14m

Now for the AFL new deal. A couple of sources have said that $550m is the actual number, Jon Ralph and Roy Masters

Using the calculation above Ch7 is $171m
Again we have the Telstra rights $50m?
Leaving Fox as $329m

So for years 2025-2027

It is

AFL FTA $171m
NRL FTA $130m

AFL Pay TV $329m
NRL Pay TV $279m

You currently have 27 hours a week AFL
16 hours a week league so some difference is to be expected

 

[Perth Red]

Ask and, as expected, Mr Masters delivers -

Rubbery figures, but AFL has 100 million reasons to gloat over TV deal

On face value, the AFL’s eye-watering broadcast deal could have Peter V’landys reaching for something stronger than coffee, but there remains strained optimism at Rugby League Central.

www.smh.com.au

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Ask and, as expected, Mr Masters delivers -

Rubbery figures, but AFL has 100 million reasons to gloat over TV deal

On face value, the AFL’s eye-watering broadcast deal could have Peter V’landys reaching for something stronger than coffee, but there remains strained optimism at Rugby League Central.

www.smh.com.au

can someone cut and paste please

 

[Perth Red]

Haha

Roy Masters doesn't write the headlines and 2 the AFL deal is complex, So the announcement doesn't tell the full picture

Channel 7 has reported to the stock market

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) secures AFL rights until 2031

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) has secured the media rights to broadcast the Australian Football League (AFL) from 2025 to 2031.

themarketherald.com.au

A 14% jump in rights it is paying

Financial review has Channel 7 sitting currently at $150m

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) secures AFL rights until 2031

Seven West Media (ASX:SWM) has secured the media rights to broadcast the Australian Football League (AFL) from 2025 to 2031.

themarketherald.com.au

Gives you $171m going forward. Contra is unknown

Ch9 is paying NRL as of this moment $130m. $15m of that is contra

Given the 5 capital city reach of AFL, Game in quarters etc that seems reasonable and can be closed if team 18 is Perth and Dolphins provide the boost to sponsors

Telstra stated they are paying $50m - This isn't included in NRL broadcast rights

Given the deal for 2023-24 is for $946m for 2 years that leaves $273m for fox

NRL deal is for $409m ( including Contra )
Ch9 $130m
leaves fox sports/Sky sports $279m

So the current TV deals only

AFL FTA $150m
NRL FTA $130m

AFL Pay TV $273m
NRL Pay TV $279m

The difference being the 5 capital city reach of AFL in FTA, current deal difference $14m

Now for the AFL new deal. A couple of sources have said that $550m is the actual number, Jon Ralph and Roy Masters

Using the calculation above Ch7 is $171m
Again we have the Telstra rights $50m?
Leaving Fox as $329m

So for years 2025-2027

It is

AFL FTA $171m
NRL FTA $130m

AFL Pay TV $329m
NRL Pay TV $279m

You currently have 27 hours a week AFL
16 hours a week league so some difference is to be expected

nice spin. Why are adding skynz to fox to cover up how badly fox has fcked nrl? The nrl deal is $402.4mill not $409mill

the reality once again for the hard of hearing is come 2025 the tv deals are
nrl $370mill cash
afl $550mill cash

$180mill cash difference Beating the previous biggest ever gap negotiated by gallop which was a mere $83mill inc contra in comparison.

come on admit it Vlandys fcked the game up big time, stop spinning and just admit the game got screwed.

 

[Iamback]

If you really believe gill figures I truly am shocked

do you really believe foxtel went from 230 million to 470 million pa ?

They didn't $3.85b was the TV rights

 

[Perth Red]

Then we have digital and naming rights

nrl $18mill telstra plus around $10mill digital profit
afl $50mill (let’s say $30mill cash) telstra, $20mill Toyota

another $32mill a year gap

total gap 2025-2027 $212million

revenue gal upwards of $450million a year

sigh.

 

[Iamback]

Haha

nice spin. Why are adding skynz to fox to cover up how badly fox has fcked nrl? The nrl deal is $402.4mill not $409mill

the reality once again for the hard of hearing is come 2025 the tv deals are
nrl $370mill cash
afl $550mill cash

$180mill difference Beating the previous biggest ever gap negotiated by gallop which was a mere $83mill in comparison.

come on admit it Vlandys fcked the game up big time, stop spinning and just admit the game got screwed.

We have a NZ partner so why would we not count them in the rights for the competition.

Any reason you didn't add the contra for the NRL but didn't for AFL?

What time in the NRL history has it been better off? you can make all the apples and oranges comparisons out there but the game is very well off. That is all that matters

 

[Perth Red]

Super league is the only reason

gill isn’t fit to tie vlandys shoelaces

This is exactly why the nrl will never change. When you dip sht fans like this there is no pressure to change,

 

[colly]

wb, Colly, Iamback et al

Go celebrate with Perth red, your support for NRL matches his. Question in the announced deal for the AFL what do Seven Tv get. Hint they said 14% up from previous deal.

https://clients3.weblink.com.au/pdf/SWM/02564761.pdf

How about this, next year and the year after the NRL will get more $$$$$$ from Free to air FTA broadcasters than the AFL, Celebrate you sour puss... Figures you ask... here they are...
The NRL will have $162m pa for 2023-2024 made up of $130 million from Nine and $32 million from Sky NZ.
The AFL for 2023-2024 will only have a average of $146 million. Yet you can't celebrate this and frankly you wouldn't know how, you just would twist like 'our friend' from the west Mr Perth.

Feel free to show me im wrong, I bet you just ignore this challenge It would shake up world. Fair enough i won't bother to find out facts ( like the above) I have got other pursuits

The NRL has a bigger FTA broadcast money agreement than the AFL... for the next two years.
AFL $146m Average for 2023-2024
The NRL $162m repeat for those slow $162 million dollars. Made up of Nine's $130m and Sky NZ $32m . For the 2023-2027 deal.

So go find me that i am wrong , better still i leave you in your misinformed state because you can't

Big News The NRL get for $$$$$ than the AFL for FTA broadcasters the next Two years. ANDDDDDD
The next three years latter the NRL can quite possibly overtake the AFL for FTA broadcasters for the period 2025 to 2027 for the NRL , it's neck and neck at AFL $166m ( 14% increase on $146m average ) from 2025 onwards to the NRL on $162 million dollars. One international, 4 nations or World invitations sold for $5 million gets the NRL on top in the FTA broadcasters stakes. The AFL just can't compete in this FTA. So then we win the the broadcaster FTA stakes from next year to 2027... Celebrate man.
Why don't you seriously with references prove i am wrong. Cant do can you, change the subject or blurt nothings.
Or man up and say, yeah we do win , the FTA broadcasters battle for the next two years. Is it so hard....?

 

[Perth Red]

Interesting the article mentions the nrl doubled its international rights

Master doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he was the one praising the nrl deal and saying what a great outcome for the game it was. he used to be the only decent journo not towing the party line but even he has now lost it. at the time it was really obvious it was a sht deal, apart from the sky nz increase. How anyone can describe a zero cash increase as commendable I don’t know!

‘This is a good deal for the NRL ... they should be commended for it’

The NRL’s new free-to-air deal with Nine will take its total broadcast revenue to over $400m per year until 2027 - a good result, analysts say, after a year when blow-outs and mismatches became more frequent.

www.smh.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

There are

I'm stunned by the cult following V'landys has on this board. There are people who still believe he is the Messiah.

millions of people who voted for Trump. There is no accounting for stupidity!

 

[Iamback]

$550m includes contra

CODE Sports

CODE Sports

www.codesports.com.au

The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550m a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85bn over seven years – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4bn in cash.

Story is too big to post but it has quotes from Fox Sports and ch7. Backed up by what Ch7 reported to the Stock exchange

 

[Perth Red]

We have a NZ partner so why would we not count them in the rights for the competition.

Any reason you didn't add the contra for the NRL but didn't for AFL?

What time in the NRL history has it been better off? you can make all the apples and oranges comparisons out there but the game is very well off. That is all that matters

you can in the overall rights and revenue value. But to suggest it’s ok fox pay less because skynz is paying something g is fcking laughable even for you.

I took off contra for both. Nrl contra is set to be around $30-35mill of $402.9, afls around $40mill of $590mill.

 

[Perth Red]

The AFL got an incredible deal and it clearly is more then the current NRL deal.

But not having a FTA game on Sat night for a chunk of the season, and more Thu games is a big change to what Melbourne fans are used to and will cause some negative press when it commences in 2025.

For mine its worth it given the extra $$$ secured, but I'm not sure all AFL fans who are used to free games on TV on a Sat night will think so, not to mention the impact on pubs and clubs etc.

Watch afl subsidise ticket prices or pay for free entry for kids with some of their wealth to get the fans back on side.

 

[Colk]

If you really believe gill figures I truly am shocked

do you really believe foxtel went from 230 million to 470 million pa ?

Where did I say that? I didn’t mention anything about what the split is. All I know is that the cash element is probably minimum $550 million as reported.

Therefore do I believe that they got a deal which is a crapload more than what our game? Yes, I do. That’s because they have already had a press conference flanked by the parties that signed the contract as well numerous media reports on the deal ($4.5 billion over 7 years)

Therefore, you can come back and join us all in the real world and compare what each code has done, not what you wish we had done. It might be good if you did rather than defending incompetency or a News Ltd stooge

 

[The_Wookie]

$550m includes contra

CODE Sports

CODE Sports

www.codesports.com.au

The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550m a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85bn over seven years – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4bn in cash.

Story is too big to post but it has quotes from Fox Sports and ch7. Backed up by what Ch7 reported to the Stock exchange

The deal was clearly announced at 4.5b for seven years, and north of 4 billion in cash. Fox amounts have not been announced. Seven is the only definitive they have released.

Keep posting the same article over and over though.

 

[Perth Red]

$550m includes contra

CODE Sports

CODE Sports

www.codesports.com.au

The combined pitch by Seven West Media and Foxtel is understood to be worth $550m a year – cash and contra totalling $3.85bn over seven years – with additional revenue from Telstra for their AFL Live app taking the deal past $4bn in cash.

Story is too big to post but it has quotes from Fox Sports and ch7. Backed up by what Ch7 reported to the Stock exchange

Get your hand off it, “is understood to be worth” lol
they publicly announced in front of those companies execs a $4.5billion deal. You think those CEOs sat there thinking hang on we only paid $3.85billion? It’s much more likely when you do the maths the amount is $3.85billion cash $300mill contra from seven and fox, $350mill from telstra for a total package of $4.5billion over 7 years.

 

[Iamback]

The deal was clearly announced at 4.5b for seven years, and north of 4 billion in cash. Fox amounts have not been announced. Seven is the only definitive they have released.

Keep posting the same article over and over though.

From here

Statement from AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan on historic new broadcast rights agreement

AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan today announced a historic broadcast deal for the AFL

www.afl.com.au

• Through this new deal Telstra will be building on their investment into Marvel Stadium and extending into innovation and our digital offerings through the AFL / AFLW apps and all 18 clubs’ websites.

Why would Gill mention Telstra in that breath then not count them in the actual figure?

So from what I posted $550m Fox/Channel 7 is $3.85b.
Telstra the rest to equal $4m.

It goes with the last few AFL deals that have included Telstra

 

[Iamback]

Get your hand off it, “is understood to be worth” lol
they publicly announced in front of those companies execs a $4.5billion deal. You think those CEOs sat there thinking hang on we only paid $3.85billion? It’s much more likely when you do the maths the amount is $3.85billion cash $300mill contra from seven and fox, $350mill from telstra for a total package of $4.5billion over 7 years.

Read my post above. The Statement on the AFL website lists Telstra

Atleast the last 2 AFL rights have included Telstra. So why wouldn't this one?