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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

Perth Red

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Why should V'landys be the one always involved.? Where's Abdo? Where's the commission?
He shouldn't, but the commission has decided to let him run the show and Abdo is just his self picked hand puppet. I'd like to know what the other commissioners are doing for their $750k + a year payment,
 

Iamback

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The NRL shouldn't bother with Fox. Instead of sucking up to them for an upgrade, why don't they just begin talks with other alternatives for the deal commencing in 2028.

Build relationships and exchange new ideas with other alternatives like Paramount, Amazon Prime, and when the time comes, do a deal in 2025 or 2026.

If the NRL commission (not just one person), do it right, then it will receive a great offer from someone to the extent that it would put enormous pressure back on Fox.

Time for the NRL to listen to other alternatives.

Have you ever seen A League or Rugby at a pub?

Needs more of an uptake to be a viable option
 

Wb1234

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The obsession they have with kids on their FTA coverage is definitely cult like, actually one could almost say creepy.
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The NRL shouldn't bother with Fox. Instead of sucking up to them for an upgrade, why don't they just begin talks with other alternatives for the deal commencing in 2028.

Build relationships and exchange new ideas with other alternatives like Paramount, Amazon Prime, and when the time comes, do a deal in 2025 or 2026.

If the NRL commission (not just one person), do it right, then it will receive a great offer from someone to the extent that it would put enormous pressure back on Fox.

Time for the NRL to listen to other alternatives.
Absolutely

I would be happy for the nrl to accept a bit less just to cut foxtel out of the picture totally and show them they don’t own the game

then they can come back next time and pay the nrl what it’s really worth and not waste money on sports that don’t rate like the afl
 

Colk

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Absolutely

I would be happy for the nrl to accept a bit less just to cut foxtel out of the picture totally and show them they don’t own the game

then they can come back next time and pay the nrl what it’s really worth and not waste money on sports that don’t rate like the afl

The amount of difference between what fumbleball and NRL are getting is beyond the pale (even bearing in mind V’Landys f*** up)
 

Perth Red

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The amount of difference between what fumbleball and NRL are getting is beyond the pale (even bearing in mind V’Landys f*** up)
It is insane and well beyond anyone's expectations, probably even theirs! To go from $416 mill to $643mill is an incredible outcome for their CEO and his negotiating team. Remember when some on here where scoffing that their $473mill a year in 23&24 would be the start point? How silly do you look now!

FTA $185mill v $120mill
Fox $400mill v $240mill
International $0 v $32.4mill
(allegedly)

Thank god for NZ!!
 
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Following was published yesterday by Crikey (source: https://www.crikey.com.au/2022/09/12/let-the-market-rip-on-sports-rights/) -

Let the market rip on sports rights. That’s the capitalist way

Bernard Keane BERNARD KEANE POLITICS EDITOR

The AFL semi-final match between Collingwood and Fremantle, September 10, 2022 (Image: AAP/James Ross)

Complaints about lack of sports matches on free-to-air TV ignore that the owners of those sports have the right to maximise their asset value. That's the commodified world we live in.

“Sport is integral to Australian culture. As Roy and HG might say, ‘Too much sport is barely enough.'”
That statement is official fact: the productivity commission said that in 2000 in its broadcasting review. If even the wonks at the PC believe it, it must be true.

The bodies that run our biggest sports certainly know it’s true — they assiduously exploit the way sport is embedded in culture and media to extract vast quantities of funding, and regulatory favours, from governments.
There’s long been a downside to that, however: the anti-siphoning laws that ostensibly ensure sports fans can see “iconic events” on free-to-air television.

For as long as pay TV has been in Australia, anti-siphoning laws have been around. But they’re not really about looking after sports fans. They’ve always been one of the many regulatory favours given to an even more powerful lobby group than big sport — the free-to-air broadcasters. Anti-siphoning was designed to cripple pay TV in Australia, ensuring it couldn’t get a critical mass from acquiring rights to live sports, of the kind that drove pay TV growth in the UK and for Fox in the US.

The victim of all this was News Corp. Some might be perfectly happy with that. But as someone who was heavily involved in media regulation in a past life, all I saw was one powerful group of media proprietors mugging another one. Despite my current difficulties with a member of the Murdoch family, I was always thoroughly sympathetic to the complaints of News Corp about anti-siphoning; sadly, my advice was rarely taken on the issue.

The cost was borne by sports bodies: if you controlled the rights to a major sport, anti-siphoning basically dictated whom you could sell to. It was the free-to-airs or nothing. Anti-siphoning was a giant transfer of money from the holders of the valuable asset — mainly AFL, NRL, rugby, cricket and tennis — to the free-to-air broadcasters, who made hundreds of millions from sports.

Luckily, that began to change in the 2000s. Even with multiple digital channels, the free-to-airs decided that live sport was less attractive as content given its cost and the cost of covering it. They preferred to run old Clint Eastwood movies on a Saturday night than show a delayed footy game.

That gave Foxtel an opening: it began partnering with the enemy to offer joint broadcast deals to sports rights holders — some matches on free-to-air (and the big ones, of course) but the rest on pay TV. As Adam Schwab explained last week, it put rocket fuel in the broadcast rights deals the AFL and NRL could make, while also avoiding anti-siphoning laws.

Finally, big sport could start realising the true value of its asset.

Schwab is unhappy with the latest AFL deal, which he sees as yet another erosion of live, free-to-air coverage of footy. To which the answer is: bad luck. This is about the owners of an asset getting the most value they can from the market. The $4 billion-plus the AFL will get reflects the market value of its product, which is just another form of entertainment in the content-rich world we now inhabit.

“The dirty secret of sport [apparently obvious to all except actual sports writers] is that broadcast deals are simply a way of laundering more cash from fans,” says Schwab. Exactly true. In fact, that’s the dirty secret of capitalism. It’s just that the presence of the word “sport” has a way of confusing people, including policymakers. Perhaps Schwab, like many of us, misses the days of the vast communal experience of the analog era, when everyone could sit down in front of their telly at the same time on a winter afternoon and see the same match.

But that’s capitalism, which relentlessly commodifies, atomises and individualises in the quest for profit. Every human experience can be monetised and analysed for further profit-making opportunities. That this erodes community sentiment, undermines communal experience, destroys tradition and individualises everyone to the role of producer and consumer is exactly what we’ve done across every other sector of the economy. Why is sport any different? Labor says it intends to review the anti-siphoning legislation in coming months. The best review would be one concluding it should be repealed.
 

Steel Saints

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Could the 18th team's introduction be fast forwarded now to bring the parties back to the negotiation table?

There is risks with bringing an 18th team early on and off the field With the comp, it could slip in standard. Dragons came 10th this year with 12 wins, 50% record!

And of course off the field, if they are brought back to the negotiation table early, Fox would probably want an extension of another 5 years. The NRL really needs to avoid another early extension.

Leave it to 17 teams until 2027.
 

Perth Red

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Could the 18th team's introduction be fast forwarded now to bring the parties back to the negotiation table?
Realistically no unless its an established second tier club promoted, but do we really want the NSW Bears or Brisbane3 (yet)? Surely if we've learnt anything this week it is that the NRL has to really put the N into its title to maximise TV interest! That means 3-4 years of planning, investment and work into Perth ready for admission in 2026/27 at the earliest.

We'd be better better taking the 5 year hit on the chin Vlandys has delivered us and getting ourselves ready for a serious TV sale in 2028 than pandering to Fox now for the sake of $20mill or so and extending the low ball rights even further.
 

LeagueXIII

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As much as Id like to see a Perth team I feel it wil be NZ 2. Besides an origin game which is every 3rd year because the govt pay for it does the NRL do anything else in Perth?
 

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