2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

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  1. Perth Red

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    at the moment that’s all speculation in same way we saw all sorts of figures banded about for nrl last couple of weeks.

    I wonder what the fox deal has cost us, both over the existing three years plus what we have accepted for the extension that we may have got more for if sports streaming services have really taken off by 2023 onwards?
     
  2. Phil McGrawhan

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    Do you get hit in the head a lot .
    It might explain how you continually ignore facts .
    You carry on like nothing has changed in the world.
    You carry on like PVL just walked into Ch 9 & renegotiated a deal for less for no reason .

    I've asked you before to answer a few questions .
    You avoided it
    So once again .
    If this went to court would we be playing now.?
    I say no & that means no income coming into an organisation that didn't have a lot stashed away for if shit happened .
    So if we went to court ..how were we going to pay for a lengthy court battle & the obvious appeal?
    That possibly would drag on for months & months
    You can't seem to get your head around the fact things have changed with a pandemic .
    You rant on & on like everything's rosy .
    It's not .
    Companies are going broke
    Peopel out of work
    Sports closed down around the world
    Less $$$ available for sponsorship Etc .
    Yet you ignore & go on the PVL gave Ch9 this much money .
    He didn't
    He renegotiated a deal( due to the pandemic) to avoid court & to try to secure the next few years .

    I could explain this to a 5 year old
    They would understand .
    You can't seem to grasp the situation .
     
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  3. T-Boon

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    Its different times...but its simple, if Fox honours their current contract with AFL then Vlandys is the worst sports administrator in the history of mankind and belongs in prison.
     
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  4. Perth Red

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    that’s a long rant lol.
    To your first point, yes there is no reason if nine tried to negate the contract and it endeD up in court why the season couldn’t continue. No doubt fox would be happy to show all games and I’d suggest it would be very likely tha a court would rule in nrl’s favour with an interim order for nine to show games whilst the contract is sorted out. But it’s a hypothetical,so nothing but opinion from us both so a bit of a pointless question really.

    yes the worlds gone to sht, yes the contract should be negotiated this year due to disruption in delivery, no nrl shouldn’t feel any responsibility for the rise or fall of nine or fox’s profit margins over the next 7 years.
     
  5. Perth Red

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    where's the media questioning why the nrl is refusing to let fans know how much theyve just lost the game?
     
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  6. Phil McGrawhan

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    Lol so in your fantasy world the court would rule in the NRLs favour .
    You have NFI how the court would rule
    As you have NFI what was in the contract.
    So you're talking shit again .
    So how does the NRL fund the court case .
    & the inevitable appeal .

    The only thing we can judge the NRLs deal on is up against the AFls
    As it's te only competitor in the same ballpark.

    & isnt it amazing that there's not a peep out of you about your beloved AFLOL renogiating a contract .with reports saying they are going to take a hit on the rights

    Where's the outrage at GIl the dill "GIVING CH7" money.

    I suspect you like most brainwashed afl fans won't say a word against the beloved leader .
     
  7. LeagueXIII

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    Prime location.
     
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    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sp...deal-left-everyone-happy-20200529-p54xtd.html

    Less money but no losers: Why a stripped-back NRL TV deal left everyone happy

    Roy Masters
    May 30, 2020 — 12.01am


    ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys has hailed the revised TV agreement between the NRL and its broadcasters as “a very good deal, under the circumstances”.

    For him, the word “circumstances” does not refer to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on sport but a longer-term sickness – the unsustainable cost of sports broadcasting rights in a world where free-to-air and pay-TV are under huge pressure from streaming behemoths such as Netflix and Amazon.

    “I believe sports TV rights are coming down worldwide,” he says.

    V’landys' definition of a “good deal” is one for which broadcasters paid more than he had expected, even before COVID-19 shut down sport for more than two months.

    However, the ARLC chief will not specify what Channel Nine, the publisher of this masthead, and Foxtel are paying in the revised agreement, citing “commercial-in-confidence”.

    Nor will he compare the new deal with the 2018-22 deal, under which both broadcasters paid $1.8 billion, together with Telstra’s $20m.

    He rejects as “wrong” the reported figure of $1.7bn for a revised eight-year 2020-27 contract, and said Foxtel had been awarded a five-year renewal for an undisclosed amount.

    This long-term renewal, together with Foxtel securing the rights to HBO movies, means Rupert Murdoch’s pay-TV network has an assured future, particularly if it also secures AFL.

    Nine has also done well, paying a considerably reduced fee for 2020-22. Chief executive Hugh Marks has extracted discounts of $27.5m for both 2021 and 2022, with an even greater unknown deduction for this year’s shortened season.


    When the NRL season was abandoned after two rounds in March, Marks notified the stock exchange of a $130m saving by not telecasting NRL.

    Nine's broadcast of Thursday night’s Broncos-versus-Eels match, the first of the resumed NRL season, together with Foxtel’s simulcast, yielded the league's highest ratings since 2014.

    Nine appears to be the biggest winner. The network has won a significant discount on its 2020 payment, without committing to future years, as Foxtel has done.

    When Channel Seven wrote down its cricket deal by $52m, citing it as an onerous contract, the shareholders bore the pain.


    Nine has managed to convince V’landys that rugby league should bear the pain of its onerous contract, one which then chief executive David Gyngell secured in order to gain leverage over Fox Sports.

    V’landys points out the alternative would have been Nine walking away from the contract, followed by protracted court action and, inevitably, a lesser settlement.

    Nevertheless, Marks, having saved his shareholders a motza, can view the sporting landscape over the next couple of years and determine whether the game generates ratings and, therefore, entices advertisers.

    V’landys “is very confident Nine will extend”, probably hoping this is before the AFL finalises a renewal with Channel Seven, which would take the Kerry Stokes network out of the NRL bidding.

    V’landys has locked away digital rights, meaning the game has control of what analysts see in the future – packaged highlights of games delivered to Millennials and Generation Z on smartphones.

    But where will the immediate cuts in expenditure be, given Nine and Foxtel are paying less in 2020-22?

    “The NRL clubs will get substantially more than they were under the last deal,” V’landys says. “The players have already agreed to a 20 per cent cut and we might look at the 2022 salary cap but there will be nothing drastic.”

    So that leaves Rugby League Central, operating as has been relentlessly repeated, on “half-a-million dollars a day”?

    “Yes,” V’landys says, “there will be cost cuts in the administration of the game, absolutely.”

    With Nine threatening to walk away, even though State of Origin and the NRL grand final guarantee it four of the top spots on TV annually, and Fox desperate for a long-term deal, V’landys probably had no option.

    Securing a long-term deal with one broadcast partner buys time for a future FTA deal.

    “I think we did very well,” V'landys says, pointing out Foxtel told the A-League clubs they face a 70 per cent cut on the $57.6m they were to receive for each of the next three years.

    “What was the alternative?”

    True. But with V’landys citing “commercial-in-confidence”, while every billion-dollar deal of the NRL and AFL in the past has been headlined to the decimal point, we might have to wait until 2027 to see the devil in the detail.
     
  9. Johnny88

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    Fox and 7 are due to pay the AFL tomorrow with the next instalment that won't be happening. No crowds, shorter quarters , less games. Both broadcasters are looking at 25% to 30% discount.
    The AFL have been trying to get 7 to sign a 2 year extension since last year at the same rate. Interesting that News Corp only looking for a 2 year extension with AFL not 5 years like the NRL.
     
  10. T to the T

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    I know some like to compare the NRL unfavourably to the AFL and the haircut taken with NRL TV rights so far, but it isn't rosey for the AFL, even talks of contraction:

     
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  11. Perth Red

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    you seem to be far far more fixated on the afl than me lol. I don't give sht what they get, As I don’t follow afl, beyond using it as a bar to judge our deal by.

    You asked me a hypothetical question, I gave you a hypothetical answer. If you don’t want the answer don’t ask the fcking question!
     
  12. colly

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    So maybe Perth expansion wont be worth cost. The AFL costs are 70 million. Much better for NRL to start a semi pro Australian comp on wages/ and include the pacific. This comp could play one game a round against NRL.
     
  13. Perth Red

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    “V’landys has locked away digital rights,”
    Wtf? they were never unlocked. What it should say is Vlandys didn’t sacrifice the games future by giving away the digital rights when he gave away a couple of hundred million $’s.


    ““The NRL clubs will get substantially more than they were under the last deal,” V’landys says.”

    So the game is losing 20-25% media revenue and clubs are getting more? Lol I wonder where that money will come from? Maybe he can get rid of refs all together?
     
  14. The_Wookie

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    Lacks a couple of things - I think Marvels land value is higher. Its llike hundreds of metres from the city centre for example. I believe its also on a larger land footprint. And as i mentioned before the existing undergound car park structures

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...m/news-story/b41aa166e10848403d2dc39893410fab
     
  15. Cactus

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    Hyperbole to extreme there PR.
     
  16. Phil McGrawhan

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    His insane hate for Pvl is bizarre .
    I suspect it goes back to what he has in his sig .
    Lol
     
  17. Phil McGrawhan

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    Well why don't you wait to see what happens with the afl deal instead of continually ranting about PVL & the NRL deal .
    You go on & on everyday about how bad it is yet you then post the above .
    Which highlights that it's bullshit
    Or you hate PVL that much you can't help but post negative shit.

    & I asked where would we get the $$ from for a court battle

    I await the answer
     
  18. Perth Red

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    yeh I agree, saying Vlandys has secured something that should never have been considered insecure is hyperbole.
     
  19. Perth Red

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    maybe the $250mill we borrowed? An equally fair question is where do you think Ch9 would get the Money from given their current precarious financial position? Especially given the only thing they had to win was not having the countries most watched sport in their pocket.
     
  20. taipan

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    Ever thought the NRL is feeling some responsibility to its clubs players, members and fans.Ensuring the code has financial certainty on which to plan ahead.Now V'Landys is pushing ahead for a 2nd Brisbane side.There is talk of the AFL extending their ch7 deal for another 2 years, something to do with financial certainty.And looking at cuts in their deals.

    You should listen to people who deal with major financial issues within this
    country.Business people, media business pundits,Govt advisers, the RBA, the WTO, the continuing frightening list of companies shutting down, cutting back ,people out of work who will never get a decent paying job back, the economic issues with China our major trading partner, the media print radio and television all struggling, automobile sales horrendous, charitable organisations being swamped for assistance.
    Had Janine Perret on ABC TV Friday night, a well respected financial commentator for many years in the media.
    She stated to the effect _don't think once this pandemic is over all the skies will be blue.Because after the late 20th Century recession and the GFC 2008 ,it took quite a number of years to get back to any normality, and this situation is far, far worse.The employment situation is far far worse than then.China then recovered quickly, and they have not taken the hit that exists now.
    Federal Govt has a $50bn debt already,Sate Govt has cancelled the ANZ rebuild.

    Yet you sit back and believe nah, this situation is no worse than what transpired before, and a code which has no assets, has commitments to management ,480 players and their staff and hundreds of thousands of their fans, can just wait until the skies may clear (whenever) and play hard ball with broadcasters that are already on the a*se of their pants.Let's keep everyone guessing so we cannot commit to expansion for example to Brisbane, and keep players uncertain of their financial future after 2022.

    Fox got a long term deal, we got $1bn over 5 years.It sure as hell wasn't going to be more, if we waited til end 2021when deals had to be made latest.Even ch9 by not extending have ,stated they are concerned about the future in 2023.

    Seriously you carry on ,like you're living in a bubble on Heard Island with a flock of Emperor Penguins.No world news, no Oz news available.

    BTW 9 had legal advice also ,they had the grounds to re negotiate the contract.You understand legal costs or do you like the ARU story where Folau cost them a huge sum for legal fees.Also 7 had no interest in the NRL, as earlier indicated, with their intention to extend the AFL deal.There was SFA competitive tensions ,because the competitors were uncompetitive.
     

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