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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

taipan

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The 2019 Annual Report for AFL NZ makes a mockery of Gil The Dill's claim that 30,000 people are playing the game.

https://issuu.com/hurstcreative/docs/aflnz_annual_report_2019_final_issuu

Just by searching for "participants" I was able to find the 30,000 figure he cited.

"Through the support of The Regional Sports Trusts, Kiwisport and Foundation North, AFL New Zealand provided 31,644 personal experiences to Primary and Intermediate School children across 58 schools through the AFL KiwiKick Programme within the Northland, Auckland, Wellington and Canterbury Regions."​
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So they're not registered players, which is what the media cites when referring to RL player numbers. It's just a bunch of kids who went through the NZ version of AusKick, with some playing 9-a-side fumbleball on a rugby union/league field.
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The real number of "participants" around Auckland is 125 from 62 schools.
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I had an amazing personal experience seeing a crocodile in the surf off Port Douglas.Therefore I am a wildlife warrior according to Gil the Polo Pony Express registration formula.
 

flippikat

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The 'Dill' thought he base a team in Wellington NZ-

Nah, that just ain't gonna work.

I live in the Hutt Valley (30 mins by commuter train from Wellington), and can say that AFL is waaaaay off the radar here.

The attendance at "one off" games here didn't set the world in fire - sure 20-odd thousand the first time around - out of sheer curiosity, but 13-14 thousand for the most recent couple of "one off" games?

You can be sure if there was an AFL team here every week, the average will be lower than that too.

An NRL team on the other hand, well that's a game everyone here can relate to right away!
 
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Save it for the fight club. Back to tv deals .......
Well you have to be shown once again what a lying organisation your beloved AFL is.
You ignore that & expect us to believe $$ figures mentioned by the leader of the afl .
Lol lol lol
If you want to believe them ..then go ahead
Those not brainwashed can see through the crap.
 

Perth Red

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Well you have to be shown once again what a lying organisation your beloved AFL is.
You ignore that & expect us to believe $$ figures mentioned by the leader of the afl .
Lol lol lol
If you want to believe them ..then go ahead
Those not brainwashed can see through the crap.

until I see any evidence to the contrary I’ll take them at face value. If you want to go all tin foil hat about a ceo lying about key financial deals then you go for it mate lol.
Now if only we knew what Vlandys has signed us up to.


Piecing together all the articles it looks like for AFL:
Telstra $50 mill a year - staying same (20-22)
Fox $216mill a year reducing to $188mill a year (20-22) (13% reduction)
Seven $150mill a year reducing to $146mill a year (20-24) (approx 3% reduction)

come on Peter don’t be shy, tell us how we compare.
 
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Kamara

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Well you have to be shown once again what a lying organisation your beloved AFL is.
You ignore that & expect us to believe $$ figures mentioned by the leader of the afl .
Lol lol lol
If you want to believe them ..then go ahead
Those not brainwashed can see through the crap.

Hey mate is it just the AFL CEO that lies or other sports too? Just wondering...
 

Perth Red

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AFL TV rights deal with Channel 7 extends through to 2024
JUNE 11, 202010:22pm

Channel 7 has announced a new cut-price TV rights extension with the AFL.

The network announced the bumper news via star commentator Bruce McAvaney on live TV just seconds before the 2020 season relaunched with the Tigers-Magpies blockbuster on Thursday night at the MCG.

McAvaney’s revelation that Seven had finalised a two-year rights extension through to the end of the 2024 season was followed by a statement from the TV giant confirming the claim.

The AFL and pay TV partner Foxtel are yet to reach an agreement.

The AFL did not confirm Seven’s news on Thursday night.

According Seven’s statement, the broadcaster estimates the new deal will allow it to save a whopping $87 million across the 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons.

The financial terms for the extension through to the end of 2024 have not been publicly released.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports the new deal is worth $730 million over the next five years.

The AFL is less than three years into the record $2.5 billion TV deal it announced in 2017.

Seven West CEO James Warburton on Thursday night said: “We can’t wait to bring the Footy back to the fans tonight.

“The AFL and Seven are a core part of each other’s DNA, and we are delighted to have not only reached a revised agreement for the current contract term, but to have extended our relationship for a further two seasons taking the agreement through until the end of 2024. I’d like to thank AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan and the AFL Commission for their commitment which gives certainty to both parties over the next five years.”

The Australian reports an agreement with Foxtel is expected to be secured in coming days.

The report claims Seven and Foxtel are expected to receive a combined reduction of around $200 million over the next three AFL seasons.

It comes after Foxtel announced it had extended its rights deal with the NRL through to the end of the 2027 season.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/a...4/news-story/5c4b49be6c99afee8087c1849178ed6a
 
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AFL close to extending TV deal with Seven as Foxtel holds out for discount
By Zoe Samios and Jake Niall
June 4, 2020 — 9.43pm

The AFL is on the brink of securing a two-year extension of its television rights deal with Seven West Media at a reduced price but pay TV operator Foxtel is holding out for an even bigger discount.

Multiple media industry sources who requested anonymity because the negotiations are confidential told The Age that Seven is seeking a cost reduction on its current deal in exchange for a two year extension that would give the AFL more financial certainty in a weakening economy.

Foxtel, Seven and Telstra secured a $2.5 billion six year deal with the AFL in 2015 that runs until 2022. Seven's two year extension would take its deal with the AFL out to 2024.

Seven, which is controlled by billionaire Kerry Stokes, is aiming to save between $30 million and $40 million on its AFL rights bill this year based on a 22 to 23 per cent reduction in games played this season, sources said.

A pro-rata payment based on an 153-game season along with finals, previously reported by The Age, is at the foundation of the re-negotiation but sources also indicated Seven was also looking to suspend the three per cent annual inflation rate included in the deal.

Seven was expected to pay about $150 million to the AFL this year under its existing deal.

Both Seven and Foxtel have been facing significant financial challenges in a tough environment for media companies that predates the coronavirus pandemic. The broadcasters believe AFL games this year have lost significant value due to the absence of crowds and reduced lengths of games, but AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan is still expected to drive a hard bargain in the negotiations.

In an indication of how tightly held the negotiations have been, Hawthorn president Jeff Kennett, a member of the AFL's 'war cabinet' during the COVID-19 pandemic, said he had "no idea" about the situation. "I have no idea. We haven't been taken into the AFL's confidence," Kennett said.

Seven and Foxtel declined to comment.

Seven, which booked a $66 million half-year loss in in February, has net debt of $541.5 million and chief executive James Warburton has been looking to slash costs across the business.

The AFL currently costs Seven about $20 million to produce annually, but that figure would be reduced in the interim due to talent being unable to fly interstate and reduced staff on site during matches.

Foxtel, which is controlled by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, has also been battling subscriber losses amid fierce competition from streaming services. News Corp wrote down the value of the business by $1.3 billion in May.

The pay TV provider is holding out for an even larger reduction on its AFL rights costs than Seven to account for the loss of games and subscriptions to its set top box and sports streaming service, Kayo.

Foxtel, which contributed about $1.3 billion to the AFL deal in 2015, now believes it overpaid, sources said.

The company has stood down more than 200 staff and axed more than 300 jobs in the last few months due to the suspension of sport and large falls in spending from advertisers due to COVID-19.

In recent years media executives have publicly disputed the large amounts they have paid for sport, which in many cases acts as a loss leader for other programming. They argue production costs they incur in addition to rights fees cannot be recouped up in advertising dollars.

The AFL will return on June 11.

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/afl-close-to-extending-tv-deal-with-seven-as-foxtel-holds-out-for-discount-20200604-p54znm.html#:~:text=Foxtel, Seven and Telstra secured a $2.5 billion,its deal with the AFL out to 2024.​
 
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AFL works on extension with Seven, Foxtel, Telstra
Max Mason
Max MasonMedia and marketing editor
Feb 8, 2020 – 12.00am

The AFL is believed to be working on an extension to its broadcast rights deal with Seven West Media, Foxtel and Telstra.

Sources told The Australian Financial Review the parties were looking at a two-year extension. Some said a new deal was close, while others tempered expectations of an imminent deal but acknowledged "there's smoke".

While there is desire to get a deal done, sources said there is still some jockeying over what increase in price would come from an extension and who would be paying the inflation increase, given the rising value and importance of digital rights.

An extension on the current rights deal would make sense for all three of the AFL's broadcast partners, who to varying degrees are dealing with their own challenges and transformations, and would lock in one of Australia's most popular sporting codes for a longer period in a time of audience fragmentation.

For the AFL it would create a level of certainty for income through until 2024, when the media landscape could look far different than it does today.

The current AFL rights deal doesn't expire until 2022, but the organisation has a history of cashing in early.

In 2015 it signed a six-year, $2.508 billion deal with News Corp, Seven and Telstra which began in 2017, taking advantage of a situation in which the NRL and Nine, owner of The Australian Financial Review, had blindsided Foxtel with a new rugby league deal.

Foxtel, Nine and the NRL would ultimately come to a new deal later in 2015.

"The AFL don’t give a running commentary on our broadcast rights," an AFL spokesman said. Seven, Foxtel and Telstra declined to comment.

Under the current deal, News Corp, which owns 65 per cent of Foxtel, is paying $1.3 billion over the life of the agreement, Seven is paying $840 million and Telstra is paying $600 million.

Foxtel has all nine AFL matches per round live, Seven shows, on average, 3½ games per round, while Telstra owns the digital rights. An extension would likely roll a similar split of matches over.

https://www.afr.com/companies/media...ion-with-seven-foxtel-telstra-20200207-p53yq8
So AwFuL was receiving 2.508B over 6 years, or $418M a season.

These pricks from AFR broke it down to.

$1.3B Foxtel, $216,666,666 per year.
$840M Seven, $140M per year.
$600M Telstra $100M per year.

That's a total of $2.74B. A difference of $232M from the other figure. Something doesn't add up.
 
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Perth Red, did you read the fine detail of AwFuL's fluff piece on the revised deal?

I just took a look at it and found this.

"Seven will receive a 19 per cent saving and a net benefit of $87 million over the remainder of the current deal through to the end of 2022 before the extended rights deal kicks in."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/197767/afl-on-the-verge-of-signing-new-tv-deal

So it's not the 3% you keep mentioning. If it was $150M a year for 2020, 2021 and 2022 then that's a total of $450M. 19% of $450M is $85.5M. So they were getting more than $150M a year, according to Gil The Dill.

That's what, $457,894,736 under the old deal from 20-22?

So Seven are now paying $370,894,736 between 20-22, or $123,631,578 a year.

That would mean Seven are paying $359,105,264 in 23-24, at an average of $179,552,632 a year. That's an increase of $55,921,054 per year.

That actually works out well for NRL when our Ch9 deal expires. PVL will be able to point at the increase Seven paid and say "pay up".
 
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Valheru

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Interesting news from the other code

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/...i01hhmYDMQrqqmNQu4h9mFV9OxLmcxb6qwAceVhtC5EqM

The basics are that Rugby Australia have signed an exclusive deal with Nine and its streaming platform STAN and won't have any content on Foxtel.

Nine will broadcast a super rugby game live every Saturday night as well as most home Wallabies tests. Stan will stream the other super rugby games, all Super W games, domestic NZ competition, home tests for NZ, SA and Argentina as well as all games for the Shute shield and its QLD equivalent.

This is relevant to the NRL because a) Rugby Australia now has the Saturday night channel 9 slot which the NRL wants and B) it is very possibly a glimpse in to the future without Foxtel.

The kicker for me is all the grassroots content being streamed live, the NRL should do all they can to ensure the NSW/QLD cups among others get the same treatment in our next deal.
 
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Interesting news from the other code

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/...i01hhmYDMQrqqmNQu4h9mFV9OxLmcxb6qwAceVhtC5EqM

The basics are that Rugby Australia have signed an exclusive deal with Nine and its streaming platform STAN and won't have any content on Foxtel.

Nine will broadcast a super rugby game live every Saturday night as well as most home Wallabies tests. Stan will stream the other super rugby games, all Super W games, domestic NZ competition, home tests for NZ, SA and Argentina as well as all games for the Shute shield and its QLD equivalent.

This is relevant to the NRL because a) Rugby Australia now has the Saturday night channel 9 slot which the NRL wants and B) it is very possibly a glimpse in to the future without Foxtel.

The kicker for me is all the grassroots content being streamed live, the NRL should do all they can to ensure the NSW/QLD cups among others get the same treatment in our next deal.
My fear is what Foxtel does with the money they're now saving by not being with SANZAAR. AwFuL could come along and say, "Hey, you have all this money now, give it to us and we'll give you an extension on the Pay TV rights". Hopefully Foxtel doesn't give into the bastards.
 

Marlins

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With Nein now having a crack at the streaming world, I wonder if they’ll go harder for more Nrl games a week?

something like paying for stream only games.
 

Perth Red

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How does $100mill over three years compare to what Fox was offering? Getting on FTA on Saturday night is massive for them. Time to expand and sell the Saturday FTA slot to CH10!!
 

colly

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Interesting news from the other code

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2020/...i01hhmYDMQrqqmNQu4h9mFV9OxLmcxb6qwAceVhtC5EqM

The basics are that Rugby Australia have signed an exclusive deal with Nine and its streaming platform STAN and won't have any content on Foxtel.

Nine will broadcast a super rugby game live every Saturday night as well as most home Wallabies tests. Stan will stream the other super rugby games, all Super W games, domestic NZ competition, home tests for NZ, SA and Argentina as well as all games for the Shute shield and its QLD equivalent.

This is relevant to the NRL because a) Rugby Australia now has the Saturday night channel 9 slot which the NRL wants and B) it is very possibly a glimpse in to the future without Foxtel.

The kicker for me is all the grassroots content being streamed live, the NRL should do all they can to ensure the NSW/QLD cups among others get the same treatment in our next deal.

Don't worry it's not time depend. ie when you log onto Stan you can either choose to watch NRL or 'super r-thugby', it's not a either or nothing. Nine will know that hundreds of thousands watch NRL instead of Ruby at tens of thousands. However, to be to the point, Nine were after a privatization or sell Stan plan which would be the CHERRY ON THE CAKE is NRL NRL NRL $$$$$$


https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...e/news-story/994c080fa08fd93e7b582dbe6361c47a

Nine Entertainment’s streaming service Stan has been a topic of conversation in media circles of late, and now it appears analysts at Morgan Stanley have become part of the discussion.

While no sale or initial public offerings plans for Stan are currently said to be on the table, one theory currently circling in the market is that its media owner Nine may look to sell down part of the business in the future.
 
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