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2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

The_Wookie

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we have the words direct from foxtel you fumbling wombat

a smidgeon of an increase
a tiny raise
a tad more

little changed

all the same really :)

Its ok not to know things mate. Your definition of slight increase may not be the same as the AFL and Foxtel - and as I said that proof wont be known until the 2023 Annual Report is released in March 2024. Ill also note they only talk about the financial side. You dont know what else is included in that deal to get the 946m total. No one does - its all not public. How much is contra, how much is Fox taking on additional production costs after Seven reduced theirs? How much?

No one really knows the detail, only the public statements and media speculation and LU maths.

It never ceases to amaze me how you will take Vlandys word for whatever the hell he trots out with literally no supporting evidence - or accounting proof for that matter - but will analyse to the nth degree what Mclachlan says.
 
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Its ok not to know things mate. Your definition of slight increase may not be the same as the AFL and Foxtel - and as I said that proof wont be known until the 2023 Annual Report is released in March 2024. Ill also note they only talk about the financial side. You dont know what else is included in that deal to get the 946m total. No one does - its all not public. How much is contra, how much is Fox taking on additional production costs after Seven reduced theirs? How much?

No one really knows the detail, only the public statements and media speculation and LU maths.

It never ceases to amaze me how you will take Vlandys word for whatever the hell he trots out with literally no supporting evidence - or accounting proof for that matter - but will analyse to the nth degree what Mclachlan says.
hahahaha

oh dear
your fum**bletard bubble dwelling mentality comes to the fore

no one says
changed little ... when its anything other then ... changed little
its not, substantially .. or even significantly

the term used by foxtel was little
its small
its insignificant

but keep living in your bubble with your tank top & tight shorts

& if its little changed from the original 418 million deal per year ,
thats a lot of subway vouchers .. parking validated & 25% off bananas at woolies to get it to 946 million over 2 years
 

The_Wookie

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hahahaha

oh dear
your fum**bletard bubble dwelling mentality comes to the fore

no one says
changed little ... when its anything other then ... changed little
its not, substantially .. or even significantly

the term used by foxtel was little
its small
its insignificant

but keep living in your bubble with your tank top & tight shorts

& if its little changed from the original 418 million deal per year ,
thats a lot of subway vouchers .. parking validated & 25% off bananas at woolies to get it to 946 million over 2 years
 

Starkers

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So @The_Wookie with one game left to go this year how are we shaping up head to head NRL v AFL mate? What number does the NRL need to get past the AFL finals / season etc? Thanks in advance 👍
 

colly

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hahahaha

oh dear
your fum**bletard bubble dwelling mentality comes to the fore

no one says
changed little ... when its anything other then ... changed little
its not, substantially .. or even significantly

the term used by foxtel was little
its small
its insignificant

but keep living in your bubble with your tank top & tight shorts

& if its little changed from the original 418 million deal per year ,
thats a lot of subway vouchers .. parking validated & 25% off bananas at woolies to get it to 946 million over 2 years
I can tell you telstra is not contrubing anything cash wise. Why they would have announced it when they outlined improved 5g at stadiums. So the $418m* less the Telstra $50m gets you =*$368m MAX. Yearly. ( *a slight increase form Foxtel ?)
368 times 2= $736m. Difference is $946 - 736 = $210m. Only Two hundred and Ten million dollars off But thats close in the minds of the AFL.
 

Perth Red

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I can tell you telstra is not contrubing anything cash wise. Why they would have announced it when they outlined improved 5g at stadiums. So the $418m* less the Telstra $50m gets you =*$368m MAX. Yearly. ( *a slight increase form Foxtel ?)
368 times 2= $736m. Difference is $946 - 736 = $210m. Only Two hundred and Ten million dollars off But thats close in the minds of the AFL.
Any evidence to back this assumption up? Unlike us Afl isn’t hiding it’s tv revenue in its annual report so its highly unlikely they are going to exaggerate it that much Or else it will be very obvious next year.
 

colly

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Any evidence to back this assumption up? Unlike us Afl isn’t hiding it’s tv revenue in its annual report so its highly unlikely they are going to exaggerate it that much Or else it will be very obvious next year.
Remember the TV advertisements showing a couple on a tram watching AFL of a a live game on a mobile- sure you do.
Thats what Telstra payed 50m yearly for, ain't showing it anymore! Go figure.
 

Perth Red

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Tha
Remember the TV advertisements showing a couple on a tram watching AFL of a a live game on a mobile- sure you do.
Thats what Telstra payed 50m yearly for, ain't showing it anymore! Go figure.
That’s a lot of guesswork to spin a narrative lol!
the media release is pretty clear what the value is, that fox are paying a bit more than the previous deal and what telstra are now getting for their money whatever it may be.

you’d have to be worried by this claim given the length of contract Vlandys has signed us up to with fox.

“The value of the deal in 2023 and 2024 is up to $150 million greater than Foxtel’s contract with the NRL in each of those years, industry sources said.”
 

colly

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So it's a given that Telstra payed $300m in the old contract or $50m yearly, OK that's good.
Now all the players Foxtel/Kayo, Seven West Media AND Telstra negotiated a new contracts for the remaining time left.
Press conferences were held and semi negotiated reductions due to covid 19 occurred. This were then put into a newly reworked contract covering the 2023-2024 ( with the Covid negotiations being the basis for the 2021-2022 time period.) Since we are discussing the 2023-2024 period this what we know. Little change from the old deal Foxtel/Kayo deal. Seven paying 147/150m depending on sources , but lets say $150m.
Now to the Telstra deal.
Fact: Telstra stopped it's Telstra live AFL app mobile streaming service. Officially finished 2 Feb 21. Now just replays.
Fact: Telstra and AFL press conference, much ado but nothing (repeating $946m fiction) 5g , Marvel stadium etc.
BUT no mention of dollars from either party, but plenty on stadiums etc.
Now Telstra is owned by shareholders, and giving up potentially hundreds of million ( like the last deal) would be thoroughly vetted, that it meets shareholders expectation of due diligence and of not of a unethical nature, expenditure of shareholders funds. Once a year shareholders can complain and ask for explanations if dubious spending occurs. Depending on the nature maybe the police, or corp police can be called in if fraudlent behavior by company executive personnel happens. Now that Telstra has stopped the Live App of games, it would be improper to pay hundred of millions of dollars WHEN it's for a service that Telstra Live App don't provide. Even with the AFL carpet bagers wanting, Telstra Executives knew that COULD NOT spend $100's m ( lets say 100m= 2 years old deal) to NOT provide a service, especially since it part owns Foxtel/Kayo which have already spend millions of dollars buying.
So it's all the fluff, about Stadiums, 5G, BUT not actual cash to the AFL.
 
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Brick Tamland

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ne...2023-redcliffe-expansion-20211004-p58x16.html


News Corp strikes $75m deal with NRL to prop up 2023 Redcliffe expansion​

By Michael Chammas


The NRL is expected to propose the Redcliffe Dolphins as the expansion team for 2023 after striking a deal with News Corp to inject an extra $75m into the sport over five years.
Sources with knowledge of discussions told the Herald that as part of the deal, the NRL has pledged to reduce the number of free-to-air games involving the News Corp-owned Brisbane Broncos by up to 25 per cent.


The deal with News Corp, which is worth $13m-$15m a season, came as a shock to Nine Entertainment Co, publisher of this masthead, when it was recently told of the arrangement.
The deal has caused some angst among Nine powerbrokers as they head to the negotiation table in the coming weeks to resume what are already proving to be delicate discussions for the free-to-air rights beyond 2022.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys, through his role as Racing NSW chief executive, already has close ties and relationships with News Corp.
This latest deal, which V’landys negotiated alongside NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, is another sign of his influence at News Corp and comes on top of the $1 billion deal already agreed with the media company for the 2023-2027 broadcast rights.
Both Abdo and V’landys flew to Los Angeles at the start of 2020 to meet with News Corp co-chairman Lachlan Murdoch to secure his blessing for a 17th team in the competition.
The NRL will announce the deal to clubs in a video conference with all 16 teams on Thursday. The code’s expansion assessment committee will then meet the following day to put forward a final recommendation for the prospective franchise, which is expected to be the Redcliffe Dolphins.
NRL clubs currently receive an annual grant of $13m from head office. The clubs have been concerned about the impact a 17th team will have on their bottom lines.

However, News Corp’s injection of $15m a year for the duration of the next broadcast cycle will not only cover the annual grant of the new team, it will provide head office with up to an extra $2m a season.

That is before considering any uplift in rights revenue from Nine, or a rival free-to-air network, for an expanded competition in 2023.
The NRL was able to convince News Corp that a new team in Brisbane, as well as a reduction in Broncos free-to-air games, would drive extra subscriptions to Kayo and Fox Sports in a state where the network has traditionally had a far lower penetration level than NSW because the Broncos are so regularly on free-to-air TV.
The Broncos have more free-to-air games than any other team in the competition, with a maximum of 16 allocated to Channel Nine in a 25-round competition each year.

The Broncos have proven a ratings bonanza over the past decade, with News Corp now set to benefit from the popularity of the game’s most powerful club with an influx of games on Saturdays and Sundays.
The expected addition of the Dolphins will also provide Queensland viewers with another 24 games worth of content including a team from their state.
On the flip side, a reduction in Broncos games for Channel Nine will provide the opportunity for the new expansion team to dominate the airwaves.
It's expected Wayne Bennett will be the coach of the new team, which will have no trouble attracting talent given the reputation of the seven-time premiership-winning coach.
 

Perth Red

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Good news that Fox is looking like they will stump up to cover the cost of expansion. Well short of the AFL's alleged $52mill extra they got for expansion but still its something.
Bet nine aren't happy, I'm sure they had the new club lined up for Thursday nights and Broncos for Friday nights! The point of a second Brisbane club was because of the boost to FTA audiences in Brisbane when Broncos play, and ergo when the new club played. That will now weaken the FTA deal but hopefully the Fox increase at a min offsets it.
 

tri_colours

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When you say the AFL got 52 million for expansion I assume your talking about the contracts around about 2012? Im not sure if they had to much to do do with expansion. the NRL's contract doubled yet they didn't expand at all.

And having more Qld games on TV with less reliance on the Broncos has me confused because I though that was actually a good thing, I seem to recall Gyngel saying he thought it was a good thing too.
 
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colly

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https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ne...2023-redcliffe-expansion-20211004-p58x16.html


News Corp strikes $75m deal with NRL to prop up 2023 Redcliffe expansion​

By Michael Chammas


The NRL is expected to propose the Redcliffe Dolphins as the expansion team for 2023 after striking a deal with News Corp to inject an extra $75m into the sport over five years.
Sources with knowledge of discussions told the Herald that as part of the deal, the NRL has pledged to reduce the number of free-to-air games involving the News Corp-owned Brisbane Broncos by up to 25 per cent.


The deal with News Corp, which is worth $13m-$15m a season, came as a shock to Nine Entertainment Co, publisher of this masthead, when it was recently told of the arrangement.
The deal has caused some angst among Nine powerbrokers as they head to the negotiation table in the coming weeks to resume what are already proving to be delicate discussions for the free-to-air rights beyond 2022.

ARL Commission chairman Peter V’landys, through his role as Racing NSW chief executive, already has close ties and relationships with News Corp.
This latest deal, which V’landys negotiated alongside NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, is another sign of his influence at News Corp and comes on top of the $1 billion deal already agreed with the media company for the 2023-2027 broadcast rights.
Both Abdo and V’landys flew to Los Angeles at the start of 2020 to meet with News Corp co-chairman Lachlan Murdoch to secure his blessing for a 17th team in the competition.
The NRL will announce the deal to clubs in a video conference with all 16 teams on Thursday. The code’s expansion assessment committee will then meet the following day to put forward a final recommendation for the prospective franchise, which is expected to be the Redcliffe Dolphins.
NRL clubs currently receive an annual grant of $13m from head office. The clubs have been concerned about the impact a 17th team will have on their bottom lines.

However, News Corp’s injection of $15m a year for the duration of the next broadcast cycle will not only cover the annual grant of the new team, it will provide head office with up to an extra $2m a season.

That is before considering any uplift in rights revenue from Nine, or a rival free-to-air network, for an expanded competition in 2023.
The NRL was able to convince News Corp that a new team in Brisbane, as well as a reduction in Broncos free-to-air games, would drive extra subscriptions to Kayo and Fox Sports in a state where the network has traditionally had a far lower penetration level than NSW because the Broncos are so regularly on free-to-air TV.
The Broncos have more free-to-air games than any other team in the competition, with a maximum of 16 allocated to Channel Nine in a 25-round competition each year.

The Broncos have proven a ratings bonanza over the past decade, with News Corp now set to benefit from the popularity of the game’s most powerful club with an influx of games on Saturdays and Sundays.
The expected addition of the Dolphins will also provide Queensland viewers with another 24 games worth of content including a team from their state.
On the flip side, a reduction in Broncos games for Channel Nine will provide the opportunity for the new expansion team to dominate the airwaves.
It's expected Wayne Bennett will be the coach of the new team, which will have no trouble attracting talent given the reputation of the seven-time premiership-winning coach.
We all think different for example i wanted Under League with fixed contracts amount, BUT I will give to V'landy applause (again) in the middle of a world wide pandemic he has comes up with 'try of the year'. Tightening the relationship with the main media buyers which support over 60% of all income the game needs. Redy Pho always banging on News Limited as the hand behind the throne. So fu&k you all you haters, it's lucky we have one of the most powerful man in the world media (lLachlan ) is a fan. i am sure recently their has been consultations be ween V'lanndy and Lachlan, hence the sponsorship of SEVENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.

Notice also Nine say we get $200m per year or 1Billion contract, which sits nicley with the AFL getting a little more than a billion so we weren't gutted their.
Nine quote:
"This latest deal, which V’landys negotiated alongside NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo, is another sign of his influence at News Corp and comes on top of the $1 billion deal already agreed with the media company for the 2023-2027 broadcast rights." SMH
 
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Perth Red

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When you say the AFL got 52 million for expansion I asume your talking about the contracts around about 2012? Im not sure they had to much to do do with expansion. the NRL's closed to doubled yet they didnt expand at all.
They claimed at the time that the extra game a week was worth $52mill to the value of the new tv deal. I guess its impossible to know what their deal would have been without the 9th game to sell. An extra time slot a week has to be more valuable though than just 12 extra games and byes.

AFl deal went up $250mil a year, how much was due to expansion is hard to say I suppose.
In comparison with no expansion NRL deal went up $160mill a year, though it was coming off a low base due to previous deal being done under conflicted ownership.
 

Perth Red

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We all think different for example i wanted Under League with fixed contracts ammount, BUT I will give to V'landy appluase (again) in the middle of a world wide pandemic he has comes up with 'try of the year'. Tightening the relationship with the main media buyers which support over 60% of all income the game needs. Redy Pho always banging on News Limited as the hand behind the throne. So fu&k you all you haters, it's lucky we have one of the most powerful man in the world media (lLachlan ) is a fan. i am sure recently thier has been consultions beween V'lanndy and Lachlan, hence the sposorship of SEVENTY FIVE MILLION DOLLARS.
They love us so much they give our main rivals more money and bag us off at every opportunity. With friends like that who needs enemies!!

Its not sponsorship lol, its a deal that sees less Broncos games on FTA to drive up Fox subscriptions in Brisbane. It's a win - win (as long as it doesn't cost us more on the FTA deal). NRL gets its expansion cost covered, Fox gets more Kayo subscribers in Brisbane due to Broncos fans not getting to see their team on FTA every week.
 

BuffaloRules

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They claimed at the time that the extra game a week was worth $52mill to the value of the new tv deal. I guess its impossible to know what their deal would have been without the 9th game to sell. An extra time slot a week has to be more valuable though than just 12 extra games and byes.

You still peddling this ?

GWS pulled this figure out of their backside …
 

colly

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Good news that Fox is looking like they will stump up to cover the cost of expansion. Well short of the AFL's alleged $52mill extra they got for expansion but still its something.
Bet nine aren't happy, I'm sure they had the new club lined up for Thursday nights and Broncos for Friday nights! The point of a second Brisbane club was because of the boost to FTA audiences in Brisbane when Broncos play, and ergo when the new club played. That will now weaken the FTA deal but hopefully the Fox increase at a min offsets it.
Only you think $52 million is bigger than $75 million. Or are trying to say $52 million annually, either way it looks like Vlandy cooked your goose.
 

Perth Red

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You still peddling this ?

GWS pulled this figure out of their backside …
Not peddling anything, I am stating what has been claimed, my mistake though it was claimed to be worth $46million a year not 52.
Unless you have any proof to the different then you are welcome to your opinion on the validity of his claim but its just your opinion. The fact is they did get a massive $250mill a year upgrade, $90mill a year more than the NRL upgrade, so it came from somewhere.
 

Perth Red

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Only you think $52 million is bigger than $75 million. Or are trying to say $52 million annually, either way it looks like Vlandy cooked your goose.
Claimed $46mill A YEAR. Compared to claimed $15mill a year for NRL expansion.
You seem to think I'm unhappy that Fox is paying for expansion to finally happen? lol. Its great news and well overdue. Chalk this up a win for Vlandys alongside the increased Sky NZ money deal.
 

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