2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Wb1234]

Another Good rant about AFL media deals........

https://www.nospam39.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7271&p=206734

Well well well, who woulda thought the AFL was capable of telling lies. Not bummy, not beatup, not the feeble fumble fans here, not the bubble dwelling zealots lololololol.

Well, in a beautifully articulated article in today's Australian Newspaper it is spelt out in chapter and verse just how they did so whilst trying to ramp up competition between rival networks for the next broadcast deal. What a mob!! What a joke!!!

Here's a few excerpts: "The AFL's hopes of securing a record breaking sum for its television broadcast rights are looking increasingly shaky". Apparently the advertising market has shrunk as the economy has faltered and Gilty was off doing a Nero impersonation of fiddling while the joint burnt down lololol.

But wait........there's more: "It appears that the AFL may have overplayed its hand in how it's sought to set rival networks against each other in now what looks like a phony bidding war lololololol!!!!" Yep..........they lied!!!

It continues, "It was widely reported earlier this year that Ten had tabled a $600M deal to clinch the rights....But the Australian now understands that no formal offer for the sports rights was ever made by Ten". It's a bald faced lie!!!!

And there's more: "Rather the AFL appears to have used Ten's rumoured interest as a 'stalking horse' in a bid to drive up rival bids..." Wow!!!!! I bet the networks would be soooooo happy that gilty and the boyo's at fumblehouse can tell outright blatant lies lolololol!!! This is corporate fraud. Gilty should be put behind bars!!!

No wonder the fumblehouse rhetoric has changed over the last few weeks around the broadcast deal. They're now begging Seven and Fox. Because Ten and the streaming companies never put in an offer. They were just used in a game of lying, smoke, mirrors and total BS. Why am I not surprised. Wattaya say fumblers????? Anything to see here??????

file:///C:/Users/mfb19/OneDrive/Desktop/The%20Australian.html

I wonder how the $946 two year deal is looking now... that's $473 per year, don't tell me it's another lie -

Hahhahaa

I love this

no wonder gill the dill got pushed out

but hey a Tasmanian afl team will surely drive up ratings lol

 

[baselinepanther]

Dunno why but I suspect another afl plant. Dunno why I’m getting fumbler vibes but I just am

well hes an idiot , so hes well on the path to being one

 

[Perth Red]

Th

Another Good rant about AFL media deals........

https://www.nospam39.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7271&p=206734

Well well well, who woulda thought the AFL was capable of telling lies. Not bummy, not beatup, not the feeble fumble fans here, not the bubble dwelling zealots lololololol.

Well, in a beautifully articulated article in today's Australian Newspaper it is spelt out in chapter and verse just how they did so whilst trying to ramp up competition between rival networks for the next broadcast deal. What a mob!! What a joke!!!

Here's a few excerpts: "The AFL's hopes of securing a record breaking sum for its television broadcast rights are looking increasingly shaky". Apparently the advertising market has shrunk as the economy has faltered and Gilty was off doing a Nero impersonation of fiddling while the joint burnt down lololol.

But wait........there's more: "It appears that the AFL may have overplayed its hand in how it's sought to set rival networks against each other in now what looks like a phony bidding war lololololol!!!!" Yep..........they lied!!!

It continues, "It was widely reported earlier this year that Ten had tabled a $600M deal to clinch the rights....But the Australian now understands that no formal offer for the sports rights was ever made by Ten". It's a bald faced lie!!!!

And there's more: "Rather the AFL appears to have used Ten's rumoured interest as a 'stalking horse' in a bid to drive up rival bids..." Wow!!!!! I bet the networks would be soooooo happy that gilty and the boyo's at fumblehouse can tell outright blatant lies lolololol!!! This is corporate fraud. Gilty should be put behind bars!!!

No wonder the fumblehouse rhetoric has changed over the last few weeks around the broadcast deal. They're now begging Seven and Fox. Because Ten and the streaming companies never put in an offer. They were just used in a game of lying, smoke, mirrors and total BS. Why am I not surprised. Wattaya say fumblers????? Anything to see here??????

file:///C:/Users/mfb19/OneDrive/Desktop/The%20Australian.html

I wonder how the $946 two year deal is looking now... that's $473 per year, don't tell me it's another lie -

thats a fair old rant lol. I haven’t seen any afl quote on offers or amounts, just media speculation. Proof of the pudding and all that, let’s see what they end up with then we can judge if we got fleeced again or if we ended up closing the gap.

 

[baselinepanther]

Th

thats a fair old rant lol. I haven’t seen any afl quote on offers or amounts, just media speculation. Proof of the pudding and all that, let’s see what they end up with then we can judge if we got fleeced again or if we ended up closing the gap.

They'll get a very unimpressive increase because even the big changes they could make will work against each other.
The NRL will add a 9th game in 2026 i'd say & that might put the NRL ahead in $$ for the first time since 1992

 

[baselinepanther]

as ive said
i think they have the offers from 7 & foxtel for no change at all already.
And it shocked them..
the arrogant wankers throught they'd get a big increase
just cos ..

nope

they're running around like headless chooks
& its fu.cking hilarious

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

Th

thats a fair old rant lol. I haven’t seen any afl quote on offers or amounts, just media speculation. Proof of the pudding and all that, let’s see what they end up with then we can judge if we got fleeced again or if we ended up closing the gap.

If it was a pro AfL quote youd be treating it as gospel.
And going on another anti PVL rant.

 

[Wb1234]

well hes an idiot , so hes well on the path to being one

Closet fumbler

he was saying weird stuff yesterday that made me think that

They'll get a very unimpressive increase because even the big changes they could make will work against each other.
The NRL will add a 9th game in 2026 i'd say & that might put the NRL ahead in $$ for the first time since 1992

Looks like gills back ended tv deal didn’t work and they are going to get less than the 473 million pa they currently get

this would be a disaster scenario for the afl with the debts incurred during covid and the ever increasing costs of their failing expansion teams

 

[Perth Red]

They'll get a very unimpressive increase because even the big changes they could make will work against each other.
The NRL will add a 9th game in 2026 i'd say & that might put the NRL ahead in $$ for the first time since 1992

We can but hope!

 

[Perth Red]

If it was a pro AfL quote youd be treating it as gospel.
And going on another anti PVL rant.

Hi Phil, nice to see you again lol

 

[baselinepanther]

Looks like gills back ended tv deal didn’t work and they are going to get less than the 473 million pa they currently get

yea, I mean seriously..
did he really think he could march in telling broadcasters
ok guys ... 473mill is where we're at

how much more are you offering ?

ah no gill
its 416 mill , thats where we're starting

but but but...

 

[colly]

yea, I mean seriously..
did he really think he could march in telling broadcasters
ok guys ... 473mill is where we're at

how much more are you offering ?

ah no gill
its 416 mill , thats where we're starting

but but but...

Dont forget it's $416 minus Telstra $50 million , so thats $366 million. This figure is the most solid as it's got Seven West Network saying $150m from them, while a Foxtel's spokemaen said little chaged from the 2017- 2022 deal so its $216 million from them. So it's $366 million now, which is probably whats it worth. So if the AFL want a better deal from foxtel, say super Saturday style , this will piss of seven which wont pay $150 again. Any way you look at it this will be a BIG WIN for the NRL as we take our position of the number one sport in Australasia.

 

[Wb1234]

Dont forget it's $416 minus Telstra $50 million , so thats $366 million. This figure is the most solid as it's got Seven West Network saying $150m from them, while a Foxtel's spokemaen said little chaged from the 2017- 2022 deal so its $216 million from them. So it's $366 million now, which is probably whats it worth. So if the AFL want a better deal from foxtel, say super Saturday style , this will piss of seven which wont pay $150 again. Any way you look at it this will be a BIG WIN for the NRL as we take our position of the number one sport in Australasia.

Bang on

gill the dill can try and bs all he wants but it’s blowing up in his face

backended tv contracts
Including Telstra payments with the tv rights

he’s just so desperate to try and one up the great pvl

 

[Perth Red]

Dont forget it's $416 minus Telstra $50 million , so thats $366 million. This figure is the most solid as it's got Seven West Network saying $150m from them, while a Foxtel's spokemaen said little chaged from the 2017- 2022 deal so its $216 million from them. So it's $366 million now, which is probably whats it worth. So if the AFL want a better deal from foxtel, say super Saturday style , this will piss of seven which wont pay $150 again. Any way you look at it this will be a BIG WIN for the NRL as we take our position of the number one sport in Australasia.

Why are telstra paying afl the same in 23&24? Why did 7 and fox agree to pay more in 23&24 to cover the reduction they agreed in 20? What changes in ‘25 that stops telstra paying anything? I’m not sure you really understand their deal lol

 

[Iamback]

Why are telstra paying afl the same in 23&24? Why did 7 and fox agree to pay more in 23&24 to cover the reduction they agreed in 20? What changes in ‘25 that stops telstra paying anything? I’m not sure you really understand their deal lol

Telstra said they aren't paying for digital content anymore

 

[Perth Red]

Telstra said they aren't paying for digital content anymore

They stopped having access to digital content in ‘21. why would they pay the same in the 23&24 contract extrension?
(it’s rhetorical I know the answer lol)

itd be interesting to know why ch7 and fox agreed to pay more in 23 and 24 so the afl could claw back the covid period reductions. And why the nrl couldn’t achieve the same scenario In its deal.

 

[Diesel]

They stopped having access to digital content in ‘21. why would they pay the same in the 23&24 contract extrension?
(it’s rhetorical I know the answer lol)

itd be interesting to know why ch7 and fox agreed to pay more in 23 and 24 so the afl could claw back the covid period reductions. And why the nrl couldn’t achieve the same scenario In its deal.

7/Fox aren’t giving money away. If they paid more to help AFL in ‘23/24 they’ll want something in return for ‘25-27 (or whatever it is)

 

[colly]

They stopped having access to digital content in ‘21. why would they pay the same in the 23&24 contract extrension?
(it’s rhetorical I know the answer lol)

itd be interesting to know why ch7 and fox agreed to pay more in 23 and 24 so the afl could claw back the covid period reductions. And why the nrl couldn’t achieve the same scenario In its deal.

In 2023 year the NRL will have annually over $400 million plus- starting in 6 months time- and you ask or state a stupid line that the NRL didn't claw back covid extensions , but the NRL did that and more, $400 million dollars more- that's what.
As for your AFL, it's been pointed out who pays what with references from spokesmen for them organizations. Foxtel " not paying much more than the original "( 202017-2022) Seven paying 150m and Telstra saying their NOT paying for media sports rights, see post back. With Foxtel and Seven known, and putting Teltsra phantom $50 million it still leaves your $473 m figure short by 43 million. With being generous for what foxtel pays. ie 230m foxtel, 150m Seven, Telstra 50m gives you $430 million not $473 that you sprout, thats 43 million short, so give it away will you your embarrassing yourself.
It looks like the NRL will prevail with their deal while the AFL have been caught out bullshitting the numbers, while the incumbents KNOW that the AFL bullshits and that's not speaking about their Paramount disaster when the AFL was caught out with Dummy or bullshit bids ie like $600 m per year, the AFL are a Disgrace, especially when it comes to reliable contractual media contracts.

 

[Perth Red]

Ho

In 2023 year the NRL will have annually over $400 million plus- starting in 6 months time- and you ask or state a stupid line that the NRL didn't claw back covid extensions , but the NRL did that and more, $400 million dollars more- that's what.
As for your AFL, it's been pointed out who pays what with references from spokesmen for them organizations. Foxtel " not paying much more than the original "( 202017-2022) Seven paying 150m and Telstra saying their NOT paying for media sports rights, see post back. With Foxtel and Seven known, and putting Teltsra phantom $50 million it still leaves your $473 m figure short by 43 million. With being generous for what foxtel pays. ie 230m foxtel, 150m Seven, Telstra 50m gives you $430 million not $473 that you sprout, thats 43 million short, so give it away will you your embarrassing yourself.
It looks like the NRL will prevail with their deal while the AFL have been caught out bullshitting the numbers, while the incumbents KNOW that the AFL bullshits and that's not speaking about their Paramount disaster when the AFL was caught out with Dummy or bullshit bids ie like $600 m per year, the AFL are a Disgrace, especially when it comes to reliable contractual media contracts.

How did nrl claw back covid losses? It was estimated that fox and nine reduced the tv deal by over $50milliin. There was no increase from fox or nine on the2017 amount so how did they get any of it back from 23, they didn’t. Ironically the only tv partner that didn’t reduce the deal for covid, skynz, was the only tv partner who paid more! Let’s not forget after giving them the covid gift, not asking for it back Vlandys then allegedly signed a deal with fox for $100million LESS!

you havent answered the question re telstra And afl claim. They lost the digital rights to screen games in ‘21. That being the case why would they continue to pay in 23&24 after the co tract had expired and they could have walked away from any payment? I know why, I’m interested to see why you think they’re happy to pay in 23&24 but won’t be contributing from 25 onwards. Haha yeh afl are going to officially announce a fake value of a done deal, grow up.

it’s some wishful thinking on here not based in much fact, it may end up right, it may not. Time will tell. and again ironically the bigger their deal and the more competition for their rights. The better potentially for us in the long run, If we ever get anyone who can negotiate a decent deal.

 

[Wb1234]

In 2023 year the NRL will have annually over $400 million plus- starting in 6 months time- and you ask or state a stupid line that the NRL didn't claw back covid extensions , but the NRL did that and more, $400 million dollars more- that's what.
As for your AFL, it's been pointed out who pays what with references from spokesmen for them organizations. Foxtel " not paying much more than the original "( 202017-2022) Seven paying 150m and Telstra saying their NOT paying for media sports rights, see post back. With Foxtel and Seven known, and putting Teltsra phantom $50 million it still leaves your $473 m figure short by 43 million. With being generous for what foxtel pays. ie 230m foxtel, 150m Seven, Telstra 50m gives you $430 million not $473 that you sprout, thats 43 million short, so give it away will you your embarrassing yourself.
It looks like the NRL will prevail with their deal while the AFL have been caught out bullshitting the numbers, while the incumbents KNOW that the AFL bullshits and that's not speaking about their Paramount disaster when the AFL was caught out with Dummy or bullshit bids ie like $600 m per year, the AFL are a Disgrace, especially when it comes to reliable contractual media contracts.

Yep its not looking good for the fumblers

declining ratings In nsw and qld was always going to come back and hurt them

you have to wonder now with a billion dollars thrown at the suns and the giants how badly the afl is managing “expansion”

nz2 and the dolphins will do the opposite for nrl tv ratings. Large increases in viewers and hence value for broadcasters

 

[Iamback]

Yep its not looking good for the fumblers

declining ratings In nsw and qld was always going to come back and hurt them

you have to wonder now with a billion dollars thrown at the suns and the giants how badly the afl is managing “expansion”

nz2 and the dolphins will do the opposite for nrl tv ratings. Large increases in viewers and hence value for broadcasters

Even if both get just average viewers. That is another 200k viewers on Kayo/Fox no doubt both bring in some fans to subscribe.

Given the NRL did it right and aren't paying anything extra than the $13m grant, Looks much better off