2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Colk]

The a league ones were good ideas their failure is more so the game itself doesn’t have the money in this country and all the hardcore soccer fans just watch the pl

it’s a shame soccer wasn’t stronger we would have much better stadia

Indeed the rebuild of parra stadium was mainly for the wanderers not the eels

Totally agreed. Not so sure about letting Clive Palmer run a club though (although GC is a bit of a sporting graveyard isn’t it?)

Hopefully for football in this country you get some more clubs like Manchester City buying clubs in the league. That will boost investment in the game.

 

[Iamback]

There has been some bad ones in the A-League. The North Queensland side, the Gold Coast side owned by Clive Palmer.

I remember reading an article in Melbourne where people hadn’t even heard of the Melbourne side who won the competition.

That competition has some problems.

GWS
Suns
MacArthur
The new Melbourne A League team

The last few expansion teams in major comps have been a terrible, The only ones that haven't are the NBL ones

Which is why you don't just expand to put dots on a map

 

[Steel Saints]

GWS
Suns
MacArthur
The new Melbourne A League team

The last few expansion teams in major comps have been a terrible, The only ones that haven't are the NBL ones

Which is why you don't just expand to put dots on a map

To be fair to Macarthur, they came into the A League in the worst possible time, in a pandemic!

 

[Perth Red]

They will have to do the hard yards for many many years as they will never have the luxury of a super league war to push them forward as the Swans did.

they can afford to.

 

[Iamback]

To be fair to Macarthur, they came into the A League in the worst possible time, in a pandemic!

This is true. The may actually get 4k to games now

 

[Colk]

GWS
Suns
MacArthur
The new Melbourne A League team

The last few expansion teams in major comps have been a terrible, The only ones that haven't are the NBL ones

Which is why you don't just expand to put dots on a map

That also conversely doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have any ambition either.

 

[Iamback]

That also conversely doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have any ambition either.

There are areas screaming out for teams in both those comps.

Yet both went to already full markets despite being not suitable

Expanding for the sake of expanding is just dumb

 

[Colk]

There are areas screaming out for teams in both those comps.

Yet both went to already full markets despite being not suitable

Expanding for the sake of expanding is just dumb

What areas would have been better for the A-League? A-League is also a struggling competition with most of their teams indeed struggling.

Also fumbleball, even though you could definitely make an argument that they should have put a team in Tasmania instead of GC achieved a massive increase on the TV deal when they entered those two teams. Despite their lack of support, they have secured more enough revenue directly or indirectly to fund them.

 

[Iamback]

What areas would have been better for the A-League? A-League is also a struggling competition with most of their teams indeed struggling.

Also fumbleball, even though you could definitely make an argument that they should have put a team in Tasmania instead of GC achieved a massive increase on the TV deal when they entered those two teams. Despite their lack of support, they have secured more enough revenue directly or indirectly to fund them.

So why expand? if you were to expand Canberra and Wollongong want teams

It was the 9th game that got the extra money not the very few fans in NSW/QLD

 

[Colk]

So why expand? if you were to expand Canberra and Wollongong want teams

It was the 9th game that got the extra money not the very few fans in NSW/QLD

1. I don’t know. Ask A-League management. The competition is struggling - that is inarguable I would have thought.

2 No it’s because they are bigger markets. Advertisers want bigger markets to potentially sell to. Tasmania for instance is the equivalent to CC for League. Now the only reason they are now considering such a move is they have all their metro markets sewn up in terms of presence. It’s also the same principle why we inversely shouldn’t consider CC: because there are much bigger markets to represent.

 

[Iamback]

1. I don’t know. Ask A-League management. The competition is struggling - that is inarguable I would have thought.

2 No it’s because they are bigger markets. Advertisers want bigger markets to potentially sell to. Tasmania for instance is the equivalent to CC for League. Now the only reason they are now considering such a move is they have all their metro markets sewn up in terms of presence. It’s also the same principle why we inversely shouldn’t consider CC: because there are much bigger markets to represent.

So when GWS play at Canberra they are worth less?

 

[Colk]

So when GWS play at Canberra they are worth less?

They still represent a Sydney area don’t they? That’s like me arguing that Penrith don’t represent Penrith when they play in Parkes

 

[Perth Red]

Reality is AFL are killing us in the business areas. $402v$643 media rights, $12millv$21mill naming rights, $750millv$500mill overall revenue (before their deal kicks in!)

We know its not about customer size, they seem to be equal, or arguably NRL slightly ahead. so what's the difference?

1. Content amount. They have more games and games have more ad breaks that benefits FTA
2. Metro city reach 16/18 teams in 5 main capital cities v 13/17 for NRL in just three of them
3. Ability and skill of the board and CEO

IF NRL has any hope of not only catching but overtaking AFL in the next 2 decades it needs to address all three of those areas.

Plan:
1. Bring in 3 new teams in next 15 years. Expand NRLW to 18 teams in next 5 years.
2. Those teams need to be Perth, then Adelaide then Brisbane3
3. Start afresh, rewrite the commission constitution to make it truly independent from clubs and state bodies. Find a chair that doesn't want to be CEO. Find a CEO that can run the game.

 

[Iamback]

They still represent a Sydney area don’t they? That’s like me arguing that Penrith don’t represent Penrith when they play in Parkes

We are talking 1 game Penrith move

GWS had

6 games at Showground ave 6103
4 games at Canberra ave 9804 ( which is boosted being closer for the Victorian teams)
1 game at Accor 25,572 with mostly Swans fans

So poor crowd, poor TV ratings yet they are a success? More like they are living off other clubs coat tails

 

[LeagueXIII]

they can afford to.

Wasted money

 

[Perth Red]

Wasted money

subjective. If it has helped them achieve their financial wins and is part of achieving their strategic goals to grow the game nationally then they would see it as a worthwhile investment. Its costing them about $10mil a year more than the avg club payment would be, loose change for them really when you have a $750mill revenue and a lot more on the way.

 

[Colk]

We are talking 1 game Penrith move

GWS had

6 games at Showground ave 6103
4 games at Canberra ave 9804 ( which is boosted being closer for the Victorian teams)
1 game at Accor 25,572 with mostly Swans fans

So poor crowd, poor TV ratings yet they are a success? More like they are living off other clubs coat tails

I don’t think they are a success in terms of numbers of support (how are you measuring that success though) but then again you can’t at the same time argue that if fumbleball put in a side in Ballarat or Townsville that they would have earned as much in TV money as they have with putting in a second Sydney side. There is a fair bit of nuance.

It’s the same argument as people sometimes put against the Storm. The Storm will always be a niche brand in that city yet you can’t argue that the Storm haven’t added a fair amount to TV deals over the years of their existence.

Also on playing games from your base, again the principle is the same. Some clubs are playing 2-3 games away from their base - how is that any different?

 

[Iamback]

Wasted money

Yet people want NRL to follow suit

Expansion will happen when the game is setup to do so

 

[Perth Red]

Yet people want NRL to follow suit

Expansion will happen when the game is setup to do so

what spend $26mill on new teams and reap $643mill in return instead of $402mill? Yep thats exactly what Id like them to do! Not that we'd need to spend $26mill on teams

Your last sentence shows exactly why there is an ever growing gap between the two codes. For far too long the NRL has been conservative and myopic. We've let them rush ahead with women's league, national expansion, grassroots in enemy territory and done hardly anything to keep up. And here we are with the fruits of that strategy now laid bare before us.
Oh for an administration with the balls and vison of those guys in the early 90's!!

 

[LeagueXIII]

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subjective. If it has helped them achieve their financial wins and is part of achieving their strategic goals to grow the game nationally then they would see it as a worthwhile investment. Its costing them about $10mil a year more than the avg club payment would be, loose change for them really when you have a $750mill revenue and a lot more on the way.

its a tough sell. They have had live AFL on Sydney TV since the early 70s and it still isnt a big attraction in western sydney. They will not have the luxury of a SL with thousands of disgruntled supporters to spur them on as the Swans did. Before SL the swans were on their knees. What did the GF apearance do for the giants.
Alsi alot of the AFL money wil go into supporting the Tasmanian bid, possibly a 20th team, the womens game and players wages both women and men.
It wont be easy for them.