2023-2028 next tv deal discussion

[Nerd]

Nine Entertainment is understood to be exploring a partial sale of its streaming business Stan after unsuccessful efforts to buy AFL broadcasting rights and a major contract loss.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/dataroom/nine-entertainment-mulls-partial-sale-of-stan-streaming-service/news-story/2cb92d02db89313e3535d10e1e3c7359

Any chance you could post the article for those of us that don't have an Australian subscription?

 

[Perth Red]

I probably shouldn’t take the bait but where has this been reported?

It hasn’t, he’s an idiot, it’s been officially confirmed as $571mill a year (inc telstra)

 

[Colk]

It hasn’t, he’s an idiot, it’s been officially confirmed as $571mill a year (inc telstra)

It’s a strange argument to make. Essentially they are making the argument that it doesn’t mean anything because presumably they don’t like what it means. I don’t like what it means either but the quickest way to fix it or deal with the situation is to actually come to grips with the fact that it did happen and finding out a way to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

 

[Iamback]

Agreed, that's why our deal to 2027 being unders is limiting our games growth and revenue

The deal was done for $402m
Since then The Dolphins have been locked in and added $20m a year to that.

So there is still room in the deal to add stuff that benefits the game.

For me NRLW is the one to go fully professional the spend is $120m, There are options to maximise TV money for that. There wouldn't be if it was lock tight for 5 years

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Makes me laugh, some on here “vlandys is great because they are predicting a $50mill surplus”, whilst ignoring that he has cost the game over $100mill a year in tv revenue. Couldn’t make it up!

Not only that, but one of them says AwFuL is in dire straights because of its variable funding scheme to keep struggling clubs viable, yet he praises V'landys for continuously increasing the annual grant to prevent most clubs from going broke. It's a massive double standard and shows we're dealing with narrow-minded sycophants.

 

[The_Wookie]

The deal was done for $402m
Since then The Dolphins have been locked in and added $20m a year to that.

So there is still room in the deal to add stuff that benefits the game.

For me NRLW is the one to go fully professional the spend is $120m, There are options to maximise TV money for that. There wouldn't be if it was lock tight for 5 years

Dolphins was done before the deal was announced - its included in the rights deal.

 

[The_Wookie]

if Telstra is 150 million pa how much do you think is actually cash ?

Why would he answer this? its almost certainly nonsense. Telstra have been paying 50m a year up to the end of 2024 with no contra that Im aware of previously, and its present deal is largely the same as the next one. Its unlikely to have risen 300% per year.

 

[Wb1234]

The thing that irks me is that I've read countless posts across many pages about AFL's deal with Telstra. How much is Telstra paying? What is the contra amount with Telstra? Telstra upgrading Marvel with WIFI's etc etc. So in their $4.5 billion deal, the AFL is still getting something from a telco (Telstra).

Meanwhile the NRL is getting nothing from a telco (Telstra) in their media deal. Although the NRL still has Telstra as a naming rights sponsor. It has been the case for the last 21 years, and will continue to do so for the next five.

Why will there be a gap between the NRL and AFL deals from 2025-2027? The AFL is still getting something from a Telco and allowed competitive tension between the networks/ providers.

You could look at the NRL deal closely and it does seem incomplete or somethings missing. Or PVL and Abdo have missed a trick somewhere down the line.

It’s because the clubs and nrl digital show that money as other revenue whilst afl for some weird reason include it in their tv deal when it has ZERO to do with tv deals

guess what it’s got nothing to do with their tv deal

 

[Wb1234]

Why would he answer this? its almost certainly nonsense. Telstra have been paying 50m a year up to the end of 2024 with no contra that Im aware of previously, and its present deal is largely the same as the next one. Its unlikely to have risen 300% per year.

So how much are foxtel and seven paying the afl then ?

are you really trying to say they are paying 594 million pa ?

because that’s what your post implies.


there was literally a previous post of yours which said the contra in this deal was 87 million pa I don’t even know why I bother myself reading your posts anymore your all over the shop

yesterday you were saying the paramount offer was 3 billion when it was 6 billion

nice work wooks keep it up

 

[Wb1234]

This thread is about TV discussion. What does Telstra have to do with tv discussion ?

Zilch!

 

[Colk]

This thread is about TV discussion. What does Telstra have to do with tv discussion ?

Zilch!

What does radio money in a TV deal have to do it then. Both deals are including monies obtained from outside of TV broadcasting.

Also if you want to do the maths and say the contra amount is $87 million in their deal that would still mean that their deal is a load more than ours (that’s even if you want to suggest that the $400m amount is just cash)

Seriously how long do we want to keep debating this before you actually come to terms with what happened. They guzzumped us big time because your boy wanted to sign a 7 year deal with his mates at Fox when he didn’t have to.

 

[Wb1234]

What does radio money in a TV deal have to do it then. Both deals are including monies obtained from outside of TV broadcasting.

Also if you want to do the maths and say the contra amount is $87 million in their deal that would still mean that their deal is a load more than ours (that’s even if you want to suggest that the $400m amount is just cash)

Seriously how long do we want to keep debating this before you actually come to terms with what happened. They guzzumped us big time because your boy wanted to sign a 7 year deal with his mates at Fox when he didn’t have to.

Yeh take out radio too

let’s talk about the two tv deals

there’s a link in this thread which quotes fox and seven paying 3.5 billion over 7 years

if In doubt just scroll back

when the nrl redoes it’s tv deal it will surpass this pretty easily

 

[Colk]

Yeh take out radio too

let’s talk about the two tv deals

there’s a link in this thread which quotes fox and seven paying 3.5 billion over 7 years

if In doubt just scroll back

I have read that link beforehand. There are also other links which suggests it is a fair deal more.

 

[Wb1234]

I have read that link beforehand. There are also other links which suggests it is a fair deal more.

No that’s the only link that talks solely about tv deals

so until there is any other evidence that’s the only valid reference to this thread

but feel free to start another thread about Telstra

 

[The_Wookie]

So how much are foxtel and seven paying the afl then ?

are you really trying to say they are paying 594 million pa ?

Did I ever really say that. we only know the total cash is north of 4 billion (571 pa) from the CEO. Media reports have made educated guesses at the rest.

because that’s what your post implies.

My posts almost certainly never imply what you interpret them to.

there was literally a previous post of yours which said the contra in this deal was 87 million pa I don’t even know why I bother myself reading your posts anymore your all over the shop

Was there really a post that said that?

And Im not even talking about the total contra. I noted that telstra havent really paid any in the past.

I guessed that total contra was about 43m a year, more than double the current 16m.

yesterday you were saying the paramount offer was 3 billion when it was 6 billion

Thats a fair enough point,. The contract still isnt 3 billion though, and that was the whole point.

 

[Colk]

No that’s the only link that talks solely about tv deals

so until there is any other evidence that’s the only valid reference to this thread

but feel free to start another thread about Telstra

Ok I disagree with that assertion but let’s compare the TV deals then under your presumptions. Our TV deal is what $370m cash (including radio) and about $30 odd million contra. So the difference is only $130m cash then in your estimations - is that a heap better for you? Have we still not undersold our rights in this comparison?

 

[The_Wookie]

No that’s the only link that talks solely about tv deals

so until there is any other evidence that’s the only valid reference to this thread

but feel free to start another thread about Telstra

Theres a link that says its 3.85b (550m per year). Not 3.5b.

However without knowing how much Fox or Telstra are paying, separating the two is a fruitless exercise.

 

[Colk]

Theres a link that says its 3.85b (550m per year). Not 3.5b.

However without knowing how much Fox or Telstra are paying, separating the two is a fruitless exercise.

I’m pretty sure somebody mentioned it was about a 20% increase from Seven. Either way it is pretty obvious that Fox and FTA are paying a lot more (individually) for fumbleball than RL

 

[The_Wookie]

I’m pretty sure somebody mentioned it was about a 20% increase from Seven. Either way it is pretty obvious that Fox and FTA are paying a lot more (individually) for fumbleball than RL

Seven will pay a 14% increase on the 2024 rights in 2025. As far as I know, Sevens cost of rights from 2023-2024 havent been published, after COVID reductions affected 2020-2022 rights.

 

[Colk]

Seven will pay a 14% increase on the 2024 rights in 2025. As far as I know, Sevens cost of rights from 2023-2024 havent been published, after COVID reductions affected 2020-2022 rights.

Thanks Wookie. I know it was an increase but the main increase is coming from Pay