2023 TV/Fox/Streaming Ratings

[Iamback]

NRL: 16 Australian clubs in 3 states with 8 games

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AFL: 18 Australian clubs in 5 states with 9 games

I fully suspect that both Perth and a third Brisbane side will be added within 10 years. Plus Channel 9 may finally get ditched in favour of a more supporting FTA broadcaster that supports NRL similarly to how 7 supports AFL.

You have to wonder how big the gap will grow.

Ch10 or ch9 are the options. Neither inspire confidence

 

[Wb1234]

Tables have indeed turned with the rise of streaming and fox in favour of the NRL with 13 matches over the million mark to round 6, to the AFLs 5. This is absolutely unprecedented.

Thanks wookie

 

[Wb1234]

NRL: 16 Australian clubs in 3 states with 8 games

outrates

AFL: 18 Australian clubs in 5 states with 9 games

I fully suspect that both Perth and a third Brisbane side will be added within 10 years. Plus Channel 9 may finally get ditched in favour of a more supporting FTA broadcaster that supports NRL similarly to how 7 supports AFL.

You have to wonder how big the gap will grow.

Wonder what a 20 or 22 team nrl would be worth

 

[Colk]

Ch10 or ch9 are the options. Neither inspire confidence

Who cares? They could not be any worse than Channel 9.

 

[Iamback]

Who cares? They could not be any worse than Channel 9.

Watch their F1 coverage that was on the other week it was horrible.

Or the A League that will on tonight

Any FTA coverage will be bad it is the nature of the platform

 

[Colk]

Watch their F1 coverage that was on the other week it was horrible.

Or the A League that will on tonight

I get your argument but the current coverage on Channel 9 is horrific, so it couldn’t be much worse. They are also incredibly negative about the game.

Anyway, it’s not like any coverage or commentary is very good in Australia- we just don’t have the quality of commentary or presentation that you have in England or even the States.

 

[wain]

Tables have indeed turned with the rise of streaming and fox in favour of the NRL with 13 matches over the million mark to round 6, to the AFLs 5. This is absolutely unprecedented.

worth noting the decent geographical spread in NRL top 10 also. Good mix of NSW (11 appearances) and QLD (8 appearances) teams, with Storm registering once.

Apart from 3 surprising Lions appearances (Pies not surprising), all other AFL top matches are solely VIC based.

 

[Iamback]

I get your argument but the current coverage on Channel 9 is horrific, so it couldn’t be much worse. They are also incredibly negative about the game.

Anyway, it’s not like any coverage or commentary is very good in Australia- we just don’t have the quality of commentary or presentation that you have in England or even the States.

That is the issue, limited talent means most of the ch9 producers etc would move across.

So you get the same garbage just on a diferent Network. FTA is a necessary evil sadly

 

[Colk]

That is the issue, limited talent means most of the ch9 producers etc would move across.

So you get the same garbage just on a diferent Network. FTA is a necessary evil sadly

Totally agree so either way it doesn’t really matter where it goes (to a degree). The biggest factor is who pays the most

 

[Iamback]

Totally agree so either way it doesn’t really matter where it goes (to a degree). The biggest factor is who pays the most

Coverage for me is key. Ch10 need to sort their regionals out and Paramount plus cutting out or it isn't worth their money

 

[Colk]

Coverage for me is key. Ch10 need to sort their regionals out and Paramount plus cutting out or it isn't worth their money

Fair enough point with Paramount but generally I don’t think the coverage is anywhere near as important as you are thinking.

For example, I wouldn’t knock back $50 - $100 more per annum from a competitor just because of some misplaced loyalty to Nine or fear that some other broadcaster can’t do it.

Nine’s coverage is absolutely horrible as it is anyway.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[Iamback]

Fair enough point with Paramount but generally I don’t think the coverage is anywhere near as important as you are thinking.

For example, I wouldn’t knock back $50 - $100 more per annum from a competitor just because of some misplaced loyalty to Nine or fear that some other broadcaster can’t do it.

Nine’s coverage is absolutely horrible as it is anyway.

RL is very strong in the regions, If you can't get coverage in parts of the Hunter or Far North QLD. Then the game will suffer.

Ch10 need to get the regionals locked in long term before I'd even consider them, Remember cricket took the channel taking them to court over ch10.

Those reasons are valid

 

[Colk]

RL is very strong in the regions, If you can't get coverage in parts of the Hunter or Far North QLD. Then the game will suffer.

Ch10 need to get the regionals locked in long term before I'd even consider them, Remember cricket took the channel taking them to court over ch10.

Those reasons are valid

I’m not suggesting that it isn’t valid but I’m also not suggesting that everything is black and white either about coverage, particularly when Channel 9’s coverage is pretty pathetic as it is (even if they were great there would still be a price consideration) Everything is relative and everything has a price.

For example, are you turning down $50 - $100m per annum more from let’s say Channel 7 or Paramount because of some reservations about coverage?

 

[docbrown]

To be fair, to Friday night Round 4 of each code, the AFL had 17.895m aggregate viewers to the NRLs 20.423m viewers - that lead almost entirely due to Fox and streaming.

Its not an insurmountable deal...yet.
But Origin will blow it away as usual

I’m assuming the AFL also had 3 extra games in the first three rounds.

A 9th NRL game - which will likely be a 4th FTA game - may average around 900,000 nationally conservatively. The aggregate gap for the NRL with a 25 extra games a season will increase by around 22 million.

 

[The_Wookie]

I’m assuming the AFL also had 3 extra games in the first three rounds.

A 9th NRL game - which will likely be a 4th FTA game - may average around 900,000 nationally conservatively. The aggregate gap for the NRL with a 25 extra games a season will increase by around 22 million.

Partially offset by an almost certain Tasmnian entry and the AFLs gather round, which should add another 18 games a year to the season. And if Tasmania gets in they almost certainly look at WA3.

 

[docbrown]

Partially offset by an almost certain Tasmnian entry and the AFLs gather round, which should add another 18 games a year to the season. And if Tasmania gets in they almost certainly look at WA3.

So to get close again when the NRL goes to 18 teams the AFL has to go to 20? And when the NRL goes to 20, what then? I can also see with record ratings and crowds the NRL will likely keep a 27 round season.

Whilst I can see the value in a third Perth AFL team, Tasmania brings next to nothing new to the plate in terms of untapped television audiences. Just to compare populations, regional NSW has 5.6 Tasmanias in it. It’s small potatoes and giving up an important expansion slot that could be given to a bigger market. But I guess, where else are they going to go?

 

[The_Wookie]

So to get close again when the NRL goes to 18 teams the AFL has to go to 20? And when the NRL goes to 20, what then? I can also see with record ratings and crowds the NRL will likely keep a 27 round season.

Whilst I can see the value in a third Perth AFL team, Tasmania brings next to nothing new to the plate in terms of untapped television audiences. Just to compare populations, regional NSW has 5.6 Tasmanias in it. It’s small potatoes and giving up an important expansion slot that could be given to a bigger market. But I guess, where else are they going to go?

it will add 11 games to the season, and these broadcasts arent limited to just Tasmania.

 

[docbrown]

it will add 11 games to the season, and these broadcasts arent limited to just Tasmania.

I didn’t say they were. I’m arguing that it doesn’t grow the overall pie that much. Add the 11 games. Like I said the 9th NRL game adds a minimum of 22 million conservatively. What do the 11 extra AFL games add? 6 or 7 million?

 

[Pneuma]

I didn’t say they were. I’m arguing that it doesn’t grow the overall pie that much. Add the 11 games. Like I said the 9th NRL game adds a minimum of 22 million conservatively. What do the 11 extra AFL games add? 6 or 7 million?

Tassie won’t grow the pie much.