2023 TV/Fox/Streaming Ratings

[The_Wookie]

At 30 a month plus advertising

nrl channel is viable

Fox is working with an ARPU of $82

The problem is the unknowns, and Kayo wont hand out commercial in confidence data. You dont actually know how many subscribers there are - that information has never been available. Hell theres a possible variance of up to FORTY PERCENT in the actual ratings depending on who you believe.

Then theres taking on the production costs and everything associated with hosting the bandwidth and alls sorts of jazz that goes with that.

 

[Wb1234]

Fox is working with an ARPU of $82

The problem is the unknowns, and Kayo wont hand out commercial in confidence data. You dont actually know how many subscribers there are - that information has never been available. Hell theres a possible variance of up to FORTY PERCENT in the actual ratings depending on who you believe.

Then theres taking on the production costs and everything associated with hosting the bandwidth and alls sorts of jazz that goes with that.

Don’t need to be paying 1 million to guys like Matty johns to get decent commentary for example

 

[Vibing]

both codes are at 4 million viewers heading into today
except
they've had 6 games , we've had 5
our final 3 games of the round will rate another 2 mill approx & their 3 probably another 1.5 mill approx
so we average 750k
they average 611K
a hiding
albeit , we had 4 FTA games not our usual 3 this weekend but that probably only added a few hundred K more

anyone got a white flag ?

 

[roughyed8]

yeah mate understood. If I or others come across these things, we'll all let you know. Pity Barb.uk isn't around now.

BARB is still around but it is now a subscription service, so now we just have occasional releases of numbers by Sky, C4 or the RFL.

 

[ParraEelsNRL]

Theres no real one to one comparison to be made anyway. Whther its time slot, match length, overlaps, local or national fta coverage, or even estimating streaming, its just not the same from sport to sport.

And then on top of that you have to factor in the skill of your negotiators, broadcaster finances and willingness to spend, the ability to find compromises without giving up too much.

CDead

BARB is still around but it is now a subscription service, so now we just have occasional releases of numbers by Sky, C4 or the RFL.

Cheers mate, didn't know it changed.

 

[Billythekid]

There’s obviously a lot of money to ba made from something like an NRL subscription but the initial investment would be huge and the risk would also be significant.

I don’t see the NRL being willing to take that risk and I’m not sure they have the ability to pull it off. I do think it’s something they should at least be exploring but I don’t see it as something feasible in the near future.

 

[Iamback]

its 593 mill with contra
& 50 mill on top with telstra

Nope the announcement presser was

$4.5b in total - Counts the Stadium upgrade
$4b in cash including Telstra
Telstra on the pre Covid deal was $60m.

Again allowing for inflation that is 25-30% higher comes to $75m a year- Advertising will go up with that hence the amount they pay will go up.

You are looking at around $3.5b TV money Over 7 years. Or $500m a year

Ch7 was averaged at $148m pre covid deal. Ch7 reported to ASIC that they were paying about 20% extra.

That puts that at $175m.

Leaving Fox at $325m - looks more financially plausible when added to the Cricket, NRL and small deals Fox has

 

[Iamback]

There’s obviously a lot of money to ba made from something like an NRL subscription but the initial investment would be huge and the risk would also be significant.

I don’t see the NRL being willing to take that risk and I’m not sure they have the ability to pull it off. I do think it’s something they should at least be exploring but I don’t see it as something feasible in the near future.

It is a huge risk and would ruin the sport, If less people subscribed then budgeted for

 

[Iamback]

Don’t need to be paying 1 million to guys like Matty johns to get decent commentary for example

Everyone good is on deals elsewhere and you need that type of show when no games are on

 

[Perth Red]

Nope the announcement presser was

$4.5b in total - Counts the Stadium upgrade
$4b in cash including Telstra
Telstra on the pre Covid deal was $60m.

Again allowing for inflation that is 25-30% higher comes to $75m a year- Advertising will go up with that hence the amount they pay will go up.

You are looking at around $3.5b TV money Over 7 years. Or $500m a year

Ch7 was averaged at $148m pre covid deal. Ch7 reported to ASIC that they were paying about 20% extra.

That puts that at $175m.

Leaving Fox at $325m - looks more financially plausible when added to the Cricket, NRL and small deals Fox has

If telstra are paying $60mill cash to run afls digital arm we need to seriously rethink our strategy given we only bring in less than $30mill and have 1/2 of that in expense to run it! Where are you gettig telstra at $60mill from?

 

[Iamback]

Fox is working with an ARPU of $82

The problem is the unknowns, and Kayo wont hand out commercial in confidence data. You dont actually know how many subscribers there are - that information has never been available. Hell theres a possible variance of up to FORTY PERCENT in the actual ratings depending on who you believe.

Then theres taking on the production costs and everything associated with hosting the bandwidth and alls sorts of jazz that goes with that.

Pre-Covid - Now they commentate off TV. Andrew Voss was asked on Twitter the cost per game. $100k was his reply.

That is with producers, Cameramen etc who can be used on other projects to save money.

So the costs alone would take away any potential increases, People forget that actual Foxtel is double Kayo's.

 

[Wb1234]

If telstra are paying $60mill cash to run afls digital arm we need to seriously rethink our strategy given we only bring in less than $30mill and have 1/2 of that in expense to run it! Where are you gettig telstra at $60mill from?

*if*

 

[Wb1234]

Everyone good is on deals elsewhere and you need that type of show when no games are on

Commentary only

all the rest is bs

but nrl digital had lots of cheap program shows anyway

 

[docbrown]

There’s obviously a lot of money to ba made from something like an NRL subscription but the initial investment would be huge and the risk would also be significant.

I don’t see the NRL being willing to take that risk and I’m not sure they have the ability to pull it off. I do think it’s something they should at least be exploring but I don’t see it as something feasible in the near future.

The NRL has got a lot on its hands just managing a sport, let alone becoming a multimedia company.

The next bids will be from companies with existing infrastructure - 9/Stan, 10/Paramount, Foxtel et al.

 

[Iamback]

Commentary only

all the rest is bs

but nrl digital had lots of cheap program shows anyway

Not if you are doing a stand alone service. NHL Network and NFL versions have similar programs

 

[Wb1234]

Not if you are doing a stand alone service. NHL Network and NFL versions have similar programs

That had program shows but cheap with guys like Jamie Soward

 

[Pneuma]

Sunday 9 April 2023 | TV Tonight

1 SEVEN NEWS 818,000 2 NINE NEWS 704,000 3 I'M A CELEBRITY...GET ME OUT OF HERE! 459,000 4 60 MINUTES 450,000 5 BLUEY 445,000

tvtonight.com.au

Ratings okay for yesterday. Fair to say ratings across all fta programs would be impacted by people on holidays and ratings boxes inactive.

 

[Cumberland Throw]

Fox beating 9 regularly now .. that is a concern for the FTA rights

 

[BlueandGold]

Fox beating 9 regularly now .. that is a concern for the FTA rights

No its not.

FTA viewership is up this year.

Its a concern for Fox and 9, they will both have to pay a lot more than the current deal if the ratings continue the way they are this year.

 

[Wb1234]

Even the bear knows his old employer has lost the plot