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2ND ASHES TEST: England v Australia at Lord's Jul 18-22, 2013

Pete Cash

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I still think the wicket is pretty good to bat on everyone just went mad. Just look at the wickets. Watson lbw playing across the line, rogers unlucky but he missed a full toss, Hughes attacked a ball that was about three stumps wide of off, khawaja panicked, Clarke got his bat tangled in his pad, Smith got a great ball....I fell asleep here.

Even the English wickets in the first innings. Trott chipped a ball straight to a fielder, kp just waved at one he probably didn't need to and bairstow hit a full toss from a part timer straight back to him.

Its been a really weird two days
 

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Like everyone else I was slating Watson last night. Boof said in his presser that Rogers told him to review it so it wasn't really Watson's fault.

He's still a selfish prick though.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Imagine if Rogers told Twatto it was plumb and not to waste a review, Twatto would be doing everything he could to get him out of the team. Twatto is playing international cricket, he should know by now whether he's been hit in front and whether to review or not.

He uses the review system like a spoilt brat. f**k him off.
 

Mr Spock!

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Bring back Cowan.

Any chance we can watch the Zimbots game which we might have a chance of winning instead of this comedy show.
 

BDR

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I honestly think that innings cost us the ashes. Can't see us recovering.
 

aussies1st

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Tail can only rescue you so much. High time those batsmen earn their keep. Not much we can do with personal, the replacements are getting smoked in Zimbabwe and we are left with a guy that doesn't have a First Class hundred and a keeper as possible replacements.
 

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So was that the worst display of batting in a single day of Ashes cricket ever?

Both sides deserve a serious glove slap.

Don't know about the poms ,but its nothing unusual for us these days, probably scrap into the top 10 somewhere of pathetic batting performances of recent years
 

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We need to forget about the disastrous first innings.

It feels much better if you consider this to be a one innings match with them at 3/264 and with their two best batsmen out.

Root isn't very good and Bresnan is a tail ender. It shouldn't be too much trouble to have them 5 down early tonight. One good spell to get through their remaining recognised batsmen and we might be chasing less than 350.

Less than 350 is doable given the amount of time we have. If we bat even remotely responsibly.
 
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Red&BlackBear

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I think we will only see Australia climb back from this bottom they're on when the ashes are lost and we are playing for pride. When players play their natural game, I think you will see Hughes slashing at everything and getting away with it, Khawaja scoring slowly but stayin in for ages, Clarke playing aggressive, Rogers playing his on the carpet strokes etc.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Bresnan is not a tail ender, he can bat (ave 31) as can all of England's lower order which includes Broad who has a test 150 to his name. The way we are batting we'd be lucky to chase down 90.
 

Mr Angry

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Only takes a couple to fire.

Has not looked likely, but you never know.

Rogers says challenge, so what, when you know your out..........

I hope Lehmann works out the best place for a selfish prick like Watson is batting with tail, where being selfish is just fine. Appeal to his ego, the carrot is not outs and an improved average.

He is not top order, this is very evident.

But he can play, just needs to be put in his place.

Perhaps Clarke and Lehmann, went let him fail, so we can move to 6, and he copes.
 

Xfactor1979

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The pitch is dry. Perhaps a little too dry? Ie overcooked from the London heatwave? Thats the only explanation to why no batsman (except for Ian bell) has really cashed in in this test match


The Australian innings looked strange and dreadful last night. Some t20 esque dismissals as described by the tms commentary team
 

BunniesMan

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Only takes a couple to fire.

Has not looked likely, but you never know.

Rogers says challenge, so what, when you know your out..........

I hope Lehmann works out the best place for a selfish prick like Watson is batting with tail, where being selfish is just fine. Appeal to his ego, the carrot is not outs and an improved average.

He is not top order, this is very evident.

But he can play, just needs to be put in his place.

Perhaps Clarke and Lehmann, went let him fail, so we can move to 6, and he copes.
Watsons bowling average is 30. Batting average is 35. His bowling is his biggest strength. He should be at number 6 where his glamorous 30s will be just fine.

If we are chasing 350 all we need is two batsmen to get centuries. They are all overdue for a hundred. Stranger things have happened.
 
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AlwaysGreen

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The problem with Twatson is that he can barely go a test without pulling a heart muscle and being unable to bowl. Bowling is too much hard work for the softcock. I don't want him at 6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5 or in f**king Australian colours.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Watsons bowling average is 30. Batting average is 35. His bowling is his biggest strength. He should be at number 6 where his glamorous 30s will be just fine.

If we are chasing 350 all we need is two batsmen to get centuries. They are all overdue for a hundred. Stranger things have happened.

History would suggest that chasing 350 is a very difficult thing for any team, let alone this Windowlickers XI
 

BunniesMan

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History would suggest that chasing 350 is a very difficult thing for any team, let alone this Windowlickers XI
No doubt, a 350 is a very difficult chase. But we could be starting it halfway through day 3. We might only have 200 to get on day 4...if we make it to day 4.

Hopefully that means we won't be playing on a minefield like if we had to chase a big score on day 5.

But having said all that, we struggle to get runs in good batting conditions, so even this day 3 pitch will probably trouble us.

Oh well, all the odds are stacked against us but there still is a shred of hope IMO.
 

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Watsons bowling average is 30. Batting average is 35. His bowling is his biggest strength. He should be at number 6 where his glamorous 30s will be just fine.

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So if Watson's at 6, where does that leave your boyfriend Hughes who has a lower batting average than Watson and can't bowl?
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/653135.html

Watson's a myth as he never learns..

Shane Watson's innings was so predictable as to be sad; flattering to deceive then an lbw that was nothing but out yet he still reviewed it..

Jarrod Kimber July 19, 2013

Shane Watson's ESPNcricinfo profile is smiling at me. It shouldn't be. It should be looking sheepish. It should be apologising. It should be trying to show me that he's changed, that he's learnt and that in the future things will get better.

I don't know how you convey that in a picture, but Shane Watson needs to learn it. But Shane Watson doesn't learn, does he.

If he was a learner, he might not put his front foot in the exact same place every single delivery. If he was a learner, he might not continually fail to turn starts into bigger scores. If he was a learner, he would not decide to review decisions based on no actual evidence, or to ask his partner when the answer is already obvious.

There is no current player in world cricket who should understand the Laws of lbw more than Shane Watson. Shane Watson is a walking lbw against seam bowling. That massive trunk he calls a leg slams down in front of off stump and dares bowlers to hit it. And they do. Even in a game where he goes out in another way, or dominates the attack, they hit his pad repeatedly.

He should know the Laws inside and out. He should, just by feel of where the ball hits him, now know whether he is out or not. I mean his leg never moves, so he's more reliable than the blue stripe on the pitch or any weapon technology that a TV company can pay for. He is the constant.

And yet, he never seems to believe it is even possible for him to be out lbw. This was his sixth review of such a dismissal. That is six times Shane Watson has believed he will overturn the umpire's decision on a form of dismissal that he is out to almost 30% of the time. Does he think his pad is being picked on, or does he really just not understand the Laws of the game?

Or is it the playing conditions of the game?

Thanks to Charlotte Edwards, even the Queen now understands DRS. Yet it seems that to Shane Watson it is a mystery. To get a decision overturned on an lbw, the ball needs to be missing the stumps completely, hitting 100% outside the line of off stump or to have pitched outside leg stump.

Being that Watson's kind of lbws never really include the leg side, he has picked the two 100% rules of the DRS to overcome. That is stupid. And to do it twice or even thrice, borders on unprofessional and egotistical. We've all seen the Hawk Eye, it's like that digital ball always nicks the stumps, no matter what the situation. So taking that on seems joyless.

And as for being outside the line of off stump, Watson should know that the chances are if you put your foot in the same place every single time, your leg isn't about to be outside off stump that one time. Watson could even just look at the hole on the pitch he has made from the repetitive footprints to double check.

Now even if, as Darren Lehmann has said, Chris Rogers told Watson to review it - that may have happened, even if it didn't look like it when watching the incident happen - none of this changes the fact that Watson clearly wanted to review it. He is a senior player who was hit dead in front. It is his responsibility to the team to choose the best option.

If you've never seen a batsman use a review based purely on his own ego, you've not watched modern cricket. But to do it so often and recklessly with so little chance of redemption in a team with more managers and staff than a Tina Turner gig is nowhere near good enough. Australia should be better, Shane Watson should be better.

When you have a weak batting side, you need to use your reviews smartly. Overturning lbws that you haven't smashed onto your pads is not smart. The follow on effect from a shockingly idiotic review is that the next person doesn't want to use the review for fear of using both of them. So Rogers, who could have gone about his quiet quirky accumulation on his home pitch, was instead sent off the field confused having missed one of the worst balls to get a wicket in Test cricket history.

All the reviews were gone by the time Michael Clarke came in.

This pitiful batting performance reminds us again just how ordinary Australia's batting line-up is. It doesn't need a batsman using a review based on the fact that he simply cannot believe he might be out lbw.

That was the review of a petulant child not a 32-year-old veteran of world cricket.

Some ex players leapt to his defence when Pat Howard said: "I know Shane reasonably well - I think he acts in the best interests of the team - sometimes." Those same players would find it hard to defend Watson on grounds he was acting in the best interests of the team. He was hit plumb in front of the stumps. Rogers seemed to tell him not to refer it. The English players openly laughed at him as he referred it. Yet, Watson still did.

This is a man who has dominated world tournaments. Who can bowl immaculate dry spells. Who has a safe pair of hands. Who can change the shape of a match in so many ways.

But Shane Watson is a Test opener with an average of 35. He regularly gets out in the same way. He has tried to retire from bowling a few times. He was suspended while vice-captain. He has issues with his captain. He bowled in the IPL after stating he wouldn't bowl in Tests. And he uses reviews in a way that does not help his side.

It's hard to be on his side.

Shane Watson may have the natural skills and confidence to win Australia Test matches, but he has the behaviour and results of a man who virtually never has.

Since I first heard his name, I've wanted to believe in Shane Watson. But in Test cricket he's a myth. And he can review my findings if he wants, but right at this moment, I'm pretty sure the evidence backs me up.

8.15pm, July 19: This article was updated after Darren Lehmann's press conference..
 

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