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2ND ASHES TEST: England v Australia at Lord's Jul 18-22, 2013

Mr Spock!

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I'll gladly look stupid.

This test followed the pattern of the first innings of the first test when 6 of our batsmen scored less than 2 and arsed a record last wicket partnership.

Logically though 50 is an achievement for our top order. The Brits are all over them.
 

Midnight Rabbit

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The problem is all our batsmen are poor quality cricketers throughout the country atm so it doesn't matter if we drop anyone because anyone who comes in will suck too. We are going to suffer watching this sub standard team getting flogged everywhere bar when we play at home against sub continent teams for at least 5 years and that's being positive.
 

Iafeta

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I think that argument is largely redundant Bunniesman. The reason people are picking apart the likes of Watson and Hughes is not because they didn't do the job in the first innings, its because they've consistently not done the job over an extended period.

I think this article sums Shane Watson up quite well frankly:-

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/content/story/653135.html

Shane Watson's ESPNcricinfo profile is smiling at me. It shouldn't be. It should be looking sheepish. It should be apologising. It should be trying to show me that he's changed, that he's learnt and that in the future things will get better.
I don't know how you convey that in a picture, but Shane Watson needs to learn it. But Shane Watson doesn't learn, does he.
If he was a learner, he might not put his front foot in the exact same place every single delivery. If he was a learner, he might not continually fail to turn starts into bigger scores. If he was a learner, he would not decide to review decisions based on no actual evidence, or to ask his partner when the answer is already obvious.
There is no current player in world cricket who should understand the Laws of lbw more than Shane Watson. Shane Watson is a walking lbw against seam bowling. That massive trunk he calls a leg slams down in front of off stump and dares bowlers to hit it. And they do. Even in a game where he goes out in another way, or dominates the attack, they hit his pad repeatedly.
He should know the Laws inside and out. He should, just by feel of where the ball hits him, now know whether he is out or not. I mean his leg never moves, so he's more reliable than the blue stripe on the pitch or any weapon technology that a TV company can pay for. He is the constant.
And yet, he never seems to believe it is even possible for him to be out lbw. This was his sixth review of such a dismissal. That is six times Shane Watson has believed he will overturn the umpire's decision on a form of dismissal that he is out to almost 30% of the time. Does he think his pad is being picked on, or does he really just not understand the Laws of the game?
Or is it the playing conditions of the game?
Thanks to Charlotte Edwards, even the Queen now understands DRS. Yet it seems that to Shane Watson it is a mystery. To get a decision overturned on an lbw, the ball needs to be missing the stumps completely, hitting 100% outside the line of off stump or to have pitched outside leg stump.
Being that Watson's kind of lbws never really include the leg side, he has picked the two 100% rules of the DRS to overcome. That is stupid. And to do it twice or even thrice, borders on unprofessional and egotistical. We've all seen the Hawk Eye, it's like that digital ball always nicks the stumps, no matter what the situation. So taking that on seems joyless.
And as for being outside the line of off stump, Watson should know that the chances are if you put your foot in the same place every single time, your leg isn't about to be outside off stump that one time. Watson could even just look at the hole on the pitch he has made from the repetitive footprints to double check.
Now even if, as Darren Lehmann has said, Chris Rogers told Watson to review it - that may have happened, even if it didn't look like it when watching the incident happen - none of this changes the fact that Watson clearly wanted to review it. He is a senior player who was hit dead in front. It is his responsibility to the team to choose the best option.
If you've never seen a batsman use a review based purely on his own ego, you've not watched modern cricket. But to do it so often and recklessly with so little chance of redemption in a team with more managers and staff than a Tina Turner gig is nowhere near good enough. Australia should be better, Shane Watson should be better.
When you have a weak batting side, you need to use your reviews smartly. Overturning lbws that you haven't smashed onto your pads is not smart. The follow on effect from a shockingly idiotic review is that the next person doesn't want to use the review for fear of using both of them. So Rogers, who could have gone about his quiet quirky accumulation on his home pitch, was instead sent off the field confused having missed one of the worst balls to get a wicket in Test cricket history.
All the reviews were gone by the time Michael Clarke came in.
This pitiful batting performance reminds us again just how ordinary Australia's batting line-up is. It doesn't need a batsman using a review based on the fact that he simply cannot believe he might be out lbw.
That was the review of a petulant child not a 32-year-old veteran of world cricket.
Some ex players leapt to his defence when Pat Howard said: "I know Shane reasonably well - I think he acts in the best interests of the team - sometimes." Those same players would find it hard to defend Watson on grounds he was acting in the best interests of the team. He was hit plumb in front of the stumps. Rogers seemed to tell him not to refer it. The English players openly laughed at him as he referred it. Yet, Watson still did.
This is a man who has dominated world tournaments. Who can bowl immaculate dry spells. Who has a safe pair of hands. Who can change the shape of a match in so many ways.
But Shane Watson is a Test opener with an average of 35. He regularly gets out in the same way. He has tried to retire from bowling a few times. He was suspended while vice-captain. He has issues with his captain. He bowled in the IPL after stating he wouldn't bowl in Tests. And he uses reviews in a way that does not help his side.
It's hard to be on his side.
Shane Watson may have the natural skills and confidence to win Australia Test matches, but he has the behaviour and results of a man who virtually never has.
Since I first heard his name, I've wanted to believe in Shane Watson. But in Test cricket he's a myth. And he can review my findings if he wants, but right at this moment, I'm pretty sure the evidence backs me up.

Its interesting also the remarkably close correlation to the break down of the West Indies. They too had an attack that was the elite attack of a generation by a mile. They had excellent bats. They had excessive depth. Then, almost overnight most of it went. They were left in the 90s with two outstanding bats (Lara and Chanderpaul) and two outstanding bowlers (Ambrose and Walsh). Seems similar to Australia. Australia has Michael Clarke and had Michael Hussey. They also have a good pace attack. But similarly to Lara and Chanderpaul for the West Indies, I don't see the next outstanding bat to hold the top order together for Australia.

The problem with the likes of Watson and Hughes is I can't say for certain who to try next. Joe Burns looks a good bat. I'm not sure I see too many other bright lights on the batting scene. Maybe the young fellow from NSW who got 160 odd on debut, but he definitely needs time. Similarly, back in the early 2000s the likes of Lehmann, Hussey, Bevan, Martin Love, Siddons, Elliott, heck for a while the likes of Hayden and Langer had to go back to the first class scene for a few years even they were scoring bucketloads of first class runs all over the world. Its like the West Indies, the likes of Franklyn Stephenson isn't alone in being in a great list of bowlers with terrific records who barely even got a go.

All of that is a big reason why they need Watson to perform now. To put aside the LBW reviews. To construct a long innings. To be the man that his talent suggests he should be. He's a massive underachiever. Used to be said that Mark Waugh underperformed for his outstanding talent, but his record was infinitely better than Watson's.
 

Horrie Is God

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http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/ashes-uk-view-poms-amazed-by-australias-brittle-batting-display-after-years-of-grudging-admiration/story-fndpt0dy-1226682361324

Ashes UK view: Poms amazed by Australia's brittle batting display after years of grudging admiration..

Patrick Horan News Limited Network July 20, 2013 11:26AM

AUSTRALIA deserved a hammering for their Ashes performance overnight, and the UK hacks did not spare the horses.

The visitors’ afternoon batting display, when they conspired to be all out for 128 after some crease-based comedy of the darkest hue, was described as “just awful”, "deeply dismaying" and worse by a disbelieving English press pack.

After years of genuflecting before powerhouse Aussie batting displays, the Pommy sporting temperament did not appear ready for such a brittle performance from those wearing baggy greens.

“We know what Australian batsmen are like,” wrote Simon Barnes in The Times.

“They are men to whom a razor is a stranger, men with jutting jaws of immense muscular strength that comes from years of frenzied gum-chewing. They have been aware since conception of the superiority of God’s bloody own over anything the Poms can come up with.

“They are people without compromise. They look as if they grew up castrating sheep with their teeth. They play sport without sparing themselves or their opponents. They are sentimental only about headgear and mateship. They see loyalty as an aspect of hardness.

“The problem is that this Australia batting side aren’t like that.

“… Instead of hardness there was softness. Instead of clarity there was muddle. Instead of certainty there was doubt. Instead of smartness there was stupidity. Instead of runs there were wickets. And while it was all very pleasant to watch it would have been much better if we’d been watch something that looked like Australia.

“… As an Englishman I find it deeply dismaying. Life is not like this, certainly not Australian life. Yesterday was like watching a fly-past of duck-billed platypus while savouring a mulled Toohey’s.”

Former England captain Nasser Hussain, writing in the Daily Mail, described the Aussie batting display as “a shambles”.

“I don’t care if you’re not Ricky Ponting or Matthew Hayden or Mike Hussey. Any Test player should be able to knuckle down and show responsibility,” he wrote.

“When the camera focused on Darren Lehmann on the Aussie balcony, he was smiling grimly. I don’t blame him. In situations like that, you don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

“Australia showed none of the fighting spirit we expect from them. They were just awful.”

The Guardian's Barney Ronay mused on what a collection of Aussie batsmen should be called: “An impermanence of Australian batsmen, perhaps. A disconsolate trudge. A technological naivety, a groan, a shower, a staged public detumescence of nuggety left-handed swishers.”

Martin Samuel detailed the dismissal of Chris Rogers by Graeme Swann’s full toss with disbelief, describing it as the “Bizarro World” version of Shane Warne’s Ball of the Century.

“The Bizarro World is a fictional planet in the DC Comics universe, in which everything is the opposite of what is expected … In Bizarro cricket, spin bowlers would take wickets with waist-high full tosses,” Samuel wrote.

“This is precisely what Graeme Swann did. He overpitched the ball — one presumes it slipped from a sweaty hand — to such an extent that it arrived like a weak primary-school rounders throw, ripe to be planted on to Wellington Road by Australia’s opener. Rogers drew back his bat, swung and missed his intended target completely.

“The ball, now on a gentle downward trajectory, struck him just north of the delicate box area to jubilant, if slightly disbelieving, cries from the England contingent.

“Erasmus gave the required signal and Rogers, momentarily, paused for thought. Shane Watson had earlier shamefully wasted Australia’s first appeal, putting Rogers under pressure to avoid throwing away the one remaining.

“Also, no doubt, behind the helmet visor his cheeks were reddening with embarrassment. He took the soft option and retreated with as much dignity as could be mustered. The replays showed the ball to be missing leg stump by a mile.

“This may well be the most consistently incompetent sequence of events in the history of Test cricket, in that not a single action was performed efficiently. The ball was atrocious, the shot worse, the appeal was unwarranted, the decision erroneous and refusing to review was a mistake.

“This was Bizarro cricket. Then again, little of what Australia did yesterday made much sense.”

Samuel wrote that Australia’s deficiencies had so far been papered over by some remarkable individual displays but were now on show for all to see.

“Australia’s problem is that at heart this group are a collection of second-rate boys’ own stories and freaky fairy-tales. The last man in who gets 98, the returning bowler who bags five at Lord’s, the 10th-wicket stand that almost won the Test, the occasional leg spinner who ripped England apart.

“Individually, these are heroic tales — yet only exceptional individuals conquer a team sport and Australia do not have the depth to capitalise on these little miracles.”

Paul Hayward of The Telegraph lamented what now appears to be the lack of a competitive series after the false dawn at Trent Bridge.

“When Australia imploded — and fouled up their decision reviews — this series seemed to fall away," he wrote. "An anti-climactic sense settled over Lord’s.

“England’s early evening tremble (when Peter Siddle claimed three wickets) removed the smelling salts from under the noses of the organisers, who had started to dream of five tight Tests.

“(Alistair) Cook’s men may yet extend their charitable work. But there was something about Australia’s batting that said they are beyond saving in this series.”

The baffled Barnes, at least, did offer Australians one faint glimmer of hope while referring to England’s late wobble.

“Some things remain constant in a shifting world," he wrote.

"England have never lost the ability to reach a position of crushing superiority and then bugger it up, and they showed that at least some traditions can still be relied on in a woeful final session.

“I don’t remember Old Australia ever giving England a second chance, but I’m sure New Australia are grateful for theirs.”
 

Horrie Is God

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It'd be nice to see them fire up..

They are just rolling over..

If Swann was bowling like Warnie then i could cop it..

They all need to spend an hour looking at themselves in the mirror..Find the man, cause all we are seeing is the mouse..

It's a pity as they are bowling so well..
 

Horrie Is God

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AB, Tugger, Ricky, Warnie, Pidge, Gilly & the rest of the legends at the game must be disgusted with what this team is doing to the foundations that they laid..
 

Tipster

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I don't think I would care too much if Australia were playing this poorly against a great side. What pisses me off is that they are doing this against a average team who are hyped up as a great team.
 

Tommy Smith

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No one has hyped England up as a great team.

We're a clear cut no.2 behind RSA.

If Tremlett was fit we'd be a quality side because he's world class. But we still have two gaping holes in our batting line up as things stand.
 

Timbo

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Ok seriously. I said it half jokingly at Trent Bridge, but can we please SOS Simon Katich?
 

BunniesMan

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We need a longer batting order. Having 2 all rounders in the top 6 is a luxury we can't afford. I'd bring Katich in for Smith.
 

Sir Biffo

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Mo Matthews is probably still going round in grade cricket ... He had a test average better than anyone in the Australian side bar Clarke, and a couple of tons. New Vice captain and team song singer?
 

Meapro Ham

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Mo Matthews is probably still going round in grade cricket ... He had a test average better than anyone in the Australian side bar Clarke, and a couple of tons. New Vice captain and team song singer?

I dig your vibe man. He'd fit in with all the funky Gen Y cats as well.
 
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Meapro Ham

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Too much negativity you guys. Its not time to push the panic button yet.

I was impressed with how we dragged the poms down to our level in the final session. All 3 bastmen out to poor shots. If we can maintain that and restrict their lead to say 450, I'm confident Agar and Pattinson can get some runs and we'll only lose by about 300.

Then we'll only be 2-0 down with 3 games still to play. Game on....
 

BunniesMan

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Restricting their lead to 350 is entirely possible at this stage. Getting 350 on a day 3 and day 4 is possible if we bat sensibly.

We have maybe a 5% chance to win but that's 5 more than 0.
 

Sphagnum

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England won't stop batting until they are 550+ in front. Any other chase requiring less than that is a ridiculous fantasy. 2 - 0 and Phil Hughes will still get picked for game 3 so we're pretty f**ked there too.
 
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