2nd biggest band ever?

[Alex28]

Oh, and yes I agree

Incidentally, Alex28, have you heard the Mad Season album that was made as a tribute to the great Andrew Wood?

I don't mind what I've heard - I'm much more into Brad tho - very underrated offshoot of Pearl Jam. Stone Gossard is the man

 

[HevyDevy]

Yeah I've heard of Brad but have never actually heard it.

I highly recommend Mad Season - extremely atmospheric. Turn the lights down, light some candles. Layne's voice is unparalelled.

 

[Raiders Plight]

has to be the rolling stones, velvet underground would be up there too just for sheer influence.

nirvana and pearl jam dont come close.

 

[lil ripsta]

Bone Thugs N Harmony all the way.

 

[Alex28]

nirvana and pearl jam dont come close.

for the record I don't think any of us mentioned Pearl Jam or Nirvana (or Radiohead for that matter) as our actual choices for second biggest band ever - merely just debating their influence on music...

 

[Moffo]

has to be the rolling stones, velvet underground would be up there too just for sheer influence.

nirvana and pearl jam dont come close.

pfft...don't agree on velvet and rolling stones have put out more sh*t then an elephant on laxatives would for a year

 

[Weasels Ripped My Flesh]

Pixies and Mudhoney are far more influential than Nirvana. Nirvana simply made alternate music more mainstream.

Don't forget the Melvins...direct influence for Nirvana.

 

[carcharias]

No Mudhoney and Pixies = No Nirvana for starters. They essentially started the "grunge" genre. Just because they didn't sell a heap of albums doesn't mean they weren't influential.

All Nirvana did was make grunge music more accessable. Their music was certainly not any more revolutionary than the early bands - you can hear plenty of Pixies influences in 'Nevermind'. Ultimately they released a decent album and had a popular image. They were big back then but have become much bigger since Cobain killed himself.

Put them up on a pedistal if you will, but give the pioneers of grunge music their dues.

No Nirvana = No Nirvana.
Bigger influence on more people, musicians and non musicians.
Cobain liked Mudhoney and the pixies, he mentioned it in a magazine or two and as a result those bands sold albums and became better known.
The same can be said for the Meat Puppets.

How many modern bands mention Nirvana as influences?

More than mention Mudhoney or the Pixies that's for sure.

It laughable to say that either of those two bands had more of an impact than Nirvana.
Regardless or not of who you prefer or which band came first or who Cobain liked or who you think it is cool to name check .
It is just basic maths.


Nirvana were bigger prior to his death in the early 90's than they are now.

JJJ played Nevermind two weeks in a row as the album of the week.
No other album has ever had the luxury.
It was number 1 around the world..that is no fluke.
Nevermind is a classic.

 

[Godz Illa]

Nevermind is a classic.

I'll support that notion. It's a cd that makes the skip function redundant - and albums like that are not made every day.

 

[HevyDevy]

Hey, there's no doubt about their influence. As their record label dude said in a documentary I saw on them recently, they were in the right place at the right time.

However, Alice in Chains kick their arse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Alex28]

There are many bands better than Nirvana - as HevyDevy said...right place, right time.

I've never said they aren't influential - hundreds of thousands of kids wearing kurts face on a t-shirt cant be wrong. Neither can hundreds of thousands of teenage girls listening to Britney Spears right?

Figure out what influence we are talking about, then lets talk. There are plenty of hacks that have sold Millions of albums that I wouldn't class as influential in any positive way at all.

 

[Godz Illa]

I've never said they aren't influential - hundreds of thousands of kids wearing kurts face on a t-shirt cant be wrong. Neither can hundreds of thousands of teenage girls listening to Britney Spears right?

Lame, trite argument.

Just because Nirvana and Britney both sell a lot of records, it doesn't make them the same. A football is a brown thing that bounces around on grass, but it would be wrong to call it a puppy.

 

[HevyDevy]

Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch to compare Nirvana to Britney.

My point is more that of all the grunge bands, Nirvana were among the least 'inspired' which is quite different to inspirational.

 

[Alex28]

I'm fairly sure HevyDevy gets where I am coming from. Nirvana made grunge and alternate music more accessable - however in the scheme of things the genre was alive and well long before Nirvana sold a heap of albums (you only have to watch the doco 'Hype!' to know that). The legend of Nirvana has been over-hyped ever since Kurt died - they made two very good albums (but some very average stuff before Nevermind) but ultimately they opened the industry up for countless bands.

So if you wish...on a commercial aspect - Nirvana were extremely influential. However in many other aspects (more credible aspects) they were not.

 

[carcharias]

Pixies and Mudhoney are far more influential than Nirvana. Nirvana simply made alternate music more mainstream.

That's what you said.."far more influential".

Your wrong..the Pixies meant sh*t to some kid from Kalgoorlie sitting there listening to Nevermind for the first time.
THE PIXIES ..WHO?

Maybe in one small part of the USA, but not here or Offenbach in Germany or Barcelona in Spain.

Nor did the Pixies mean sh*t to any of my mates..and we didn't have a fuggen Nirvana t-shirt.
We started a 3 piece band because of Nirvana..
We played "Molly's lips " , "Anuerysm" and "Negative Creep" ...none of them are off nevermind or In Utero .
Why? because we loved those early songs. ( Molly was a cover )

How old are you Alex,were you even there ? no doco will help you if you weren't.

When Nirvana came here for the first big day out in 92 they were just about to explode all around the world and it was amazing .

When they played the Hordern it was the most powerful feeling of excitement and anticipation I have ever felt at a gig.
The album was about 3 months old here in OZ and every single sweaty kid in that room knew every word to every song.
Influential? FUCK YEAH!


Mudhoney ....BWHAHAHAHA ordinary at best.
Plenty of Aussie bands at the time blew them off the stage everytime.
Beasts of Bourbon, Tumbleweed and the Hard Ons made mudhoney look like the Archies.


So what wasn't credible about Nirvana's music?

I'm finding it hard to take this seriously or are you just arguing for the sake of it.

 

[HevyDevy]

My greatest regret is that I never saw Alice in Chains ...

 

[Alex28]

That's what you said.."far more influential".

Your wrong..the Pixies meant sh*t to some kid from Kalgoorlie sitting there listening to Nevermind for the first time.
THE PIXIES ..WHO?

Maybe in one small part of the USA, but not here or Offenbach in Germany or Barcelona in Spain.

Nor did the Pixies mean sh*t to any of my mates..and we didn't have a fuggen Nirvana t-shirt.
We started a 3 piece band because of Nirvana..
We played "Molly's lips " , "Anuerysm" and "Negative Creep" ...none of them are off nevermind or In Utero .
Why? because we loved those early songs. ( Molly was a cover )

How old are you Alex,were you even there ? no doco will help you if you weren't.

When Nirvana came here for the first big day out in 92 they were just about to explode all around the world and it was amazing .

When they played the Hordern it was the most powerful feeling of excitement and anticipation I have ever felt at a gig.
The album was about 3 months old here in OZ and every single sweaty kid in that room knew every word to every song.
Influential? FUCK YEAH!


Mudhoney ....BWHAHAHAHA ordinary at best.
Plenty of Aussie bands at the time blew them off the stage everytime.
Beasts of Bourbon, Tumbleweed and the Hard Ons made mudhoney look like the Archies.


So what wasn't credible about Nirvana's music?

I'm finding it hard to take this seriously or are you just arguing for the sake of it.

Obviously you and your mates are the judges of what is credible and what isn't. Sorry to disagree with you. Your band must be the only band that counts in credibility as well - sorry to doubt you. Obviously by the way you were preaching in your mindless rant you were also in Seattle at the time - right?

I was 18 when Nirvana cracked the big time. I listened to alternate music a long time before that, so Nirvana weren't anything massive to me. They were nothing more than right place, right time.

I don't particularly give a toss about your opinion, your band or what you guys were influenced by - anyone who actually succeeded after Nirvana weren't a Nirvana clone (notice that?), and had far more influences than Nirvana. Early Nirvana was utter rubbish - but if thats what you liked, more power to you.

And to finish - I can not believe you have a gaul to compare Mudhoney to Beasts of Bourbon or Tumbleweed. Do you even listen to music?

 

[Moffo]

Obviously you and your mates are the judges of what is credible and what isn't. Sorry to disagree with you. Your band must be the only band that counts in credibility as well - sorry to doubt you. Obviously by the way you were preaching in your mindless rant you were also in Seattle at the time - right?

I was 18 when Nirvana cracked the big time. I listened to alternate music a long time before that, so Nirvana weren't anything massive to me. They were nothing more than right place, right time.

I don't particularly give a toss about your opinion, your band or what you guys were influenced by - anyone who actually succeeded after Nirvana weren't a Nirvana clone (notice that?), and had far more influences than Nirvana. Early Nirvana was utter rubbish - but if thats what you liked, more power to you.

And to finish - I can not believe you have a gaul to compare Mudhoney to Beasts of Bourbon or Tumbleweed. Do you even listen to music?

bollocks. Nirvana inspired the whole sound of the 90s

 

[hrundi99]

Pixies influenced a small part of the USA?

Smells Like Teen Spirit was Kurt trying to write a Pixies song.

The Pixies are there with the Replacements, Husker Du and REM as the most influential US bands of the '80s.

I think you under estimate them. The breadth of influence is one thing, and the quality of the resulting influences are another.

 

[Alex28]

Nirvana opened up the alternate genre to commercialism - no doubt. But what successful bands resulting actually sound like Nirvana? After Nirvana the most successful bands (to mind) that are considered alternate or grunge in that period (1992 to 1994) would be Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains and Stone Temple Pilots - and I wouldn't consider any of them sounding like or influenced by Nirvana.

And by 1995 the genre had moved on to brit pop like Oasis, Blur and Radiohead...

Their timing was fantastic and commercially they were influential - it's debatable Triple J would be where it is today or that many bands would have existed thanks to the market that was created. The fact they were out there and everyone had heard of them created a generation of kids who wanted to be in a band.

But artistically? Over rated...