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2nd Test: South Africa v Australia at Johannesburg Nov 17-21, 2011

TheParraboy

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What I found quite amusing at the time is when Johnson recalled for the Perth test last year, took a few wickets then got all agro with a nasty "staret/signal" towards the commentary box, no doubt directed at journos and some commentators

I wonder if he has them on his mind every time he has bowled since, and itching to do another cameo signal? lol
 
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Chances are Johnson will fluke some wickets here and then take more against 'mighty' NZ. He'll be hailed as a matchwinner and we'll have to put up with the soft bastard's tripe for another two years.

I don't think I've ever hated an Australian cricketer, until Johnson came along. Disliked a few but never hated.

Feel exactly the same way. Wish someone would just smash a ball back at him and knock his stupid f**king head clean off. The thing that really pisses me off is he's now being described as our most successful left arm quick. The only reason he has now passed Alan Davidson is because our stupid selector's won't drop his sorry arse. f**k me, that myth isn't fit to carry Davo's kit bag. Johnson to me is like Manly in the 70s and 80s. I'm cheering for the opposition.
 

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Was Johnson shit before the 2009 Ashes? Because I don't remember him being that bad before then, but he was ridiculously unprofessional and downright rubbish in that series and hasn't been much better ever since.
 

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Aaaand
Australia wait on 'stiff' Harris
Brydon Coverdale in Johannesburg
November 16, 2011

Australia's attack for the second Test might not be decided until the morning of the match as they wait to see how Ryan Harris pulls up from Wednesday's training session. If Harris, who the captain Michael Clarke said was "stiff and sore" after the defeat in Cape Town, does not play, it will almost certainly mean a debut for the 18-year-old Pat Cummins.

Harris bowled only 24.3 overs in the three-day Test at Newlands and has had five days to recover but the Australians wanted to see how he felt on Thursday morning before confirming his place in the side. Harris, 32, has had a range of injury problems in recent years and is often seen walking laps of the ground to warm up while the rest of his team-mates engage in more vigorous activities.

"He's a bit stiff and sore from the last game no doubt," Clarke said. "He's an example of someone who needs to train today. We need to wait and see how he goes in the nets and then how he pulls up in the morning.

"As is the case a lot in any form of the game, we generally have an optional session before the game which allows the players who don't think they need to train or want to train to take that option. Generally, there's a couple of guys who need to train to see if they will be fit for the game."

If Australia were to lose Harris it would be a significant blow. Although he has played only eight Tests he is the most consistent performer in Australia's pace attack and in Cape Town last week his Test average dropped below 20 for a period. But Harris, who missed the final Test against Sri Lanka recently due to a minor hamstring strain, is unlikely to be the kind of bowler who can play every Test for Australia due to his brittle body.

Even if Harris does play, the make-up of Australia's bowling group was far from clear. Cummins still has a strong chance of becoming Australia's second-youngest Test debutant, with Peter Siddle the man most likely to miss out if Harris makes the starting line-up.

"I don't want to give too much away right now but there's certainly a chance that he could be playing tomorrow," Clarke said of Cummins.

The pitch is expected to be hard and Clarke said Australia would almost certainly play a spinner. He is also likely to back the left-armer Mitchell Johnson, who bowled superbly in the tour match in Potchefstroom but had a poor Test in Cape Town.
Sauce
 

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Was Johnson shit before the 2009 Ashes? Because I don't remember him being that bad before then, but he was ridiculously unprofessional and downright rubbish in that series and hasn't been much better ever since.

He always lacked consistency and his great days were few and far between. Now his great days are non-existent. I honestly believe he is getting worse.
 

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He was always crap. When he started off he was bowling the same wayward shit, but even guys like Dravid I remember would chase em and nick to 2nd slip. Still he was nothing flash and averaged 30 (SL in Aus), 33 (Ind in Aus), 34 (Aus in WI), and 40 (Aus in Ind). Sure the Indian results are fair enough, but SL and WI weren't exactly dominant sides.

He then made his rep with 14 Kiwi wickets at 11 and the two SA series over 08/09 summer before going to England and really turning into complete shite. He did bowl a lot less rubbish that summer and booked the figures for it, but England was really just back to his normal standard and they helped themselves.

09/10 summer was good for him as he had spot-fixing Pakistanis, West Indians and Kiwis to bowl to. He did fine (often helped by Ponting ripping Bollinger off so that Johnson could pick up the tail enders), but Dougy was better. Over that summer he took 41 wickets, 18 of which were no.s 7-11. Doug played one less game (1st test v NZ when Hilf took 8 but broke down) and took 37 wickets (14 7-11) at a better average and s/r. Now someone has to get the tail, but even the top order were soft wickets that summer, the tails are real cheap.

That was as close to consistent quality as Johnson ever or will ever get. Since then he has been almost uniformly trash, with a small sprinkling of just bog ordinary. Why that should surprise anyone is beyond me. It's how he started, and baring two decent summers it's how he's always bowled. Mitchell Johnson is a myth.
 

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well, he does have the ability to take wickets with his stock standard delivery - the wide half volley.
It always baffled me how half of his balls weren't called wide, but what baffles me more is the amount of them he takes wickets from.
 

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I remember when Lee returned similar figures against India (Lee took 4/201) and India were just waiting for Lee to concede his 200th run before they declared. India followed the unnecessary wait to declare with not asking Australia to follow on (because their gameplan was geniused) and as a result drew a match they always should have won.

Shitchell would gladly settle for 4/201 at the moment
 

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well, he does have the ability to take wickets with his stock standard delivery - the wide half volley.
It always baffled me how half of his balls weren't called wide, but what baffles me more is the amount of them he takes wickets from.

he also gives alot of runs away with that delivery
 

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God I hope we dont pick Cummins.

- Kid has played 3 first class games and averages over 40
- He's been successful in the shortest form BUT it's a different situation when they have to play at the ball
- After the Shield Final last year he pulled up with back problems.

Not ready for the workload and not good enough to be in the team at this point. Pattinson would be a better option, Cutting, obviously Copeland should be in there etc. Not f**king Cummins, no matter how young and fast he is.
 

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Clarke appears to be giving Cummins a real chance of playing with Harris potentially being out.
 

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The question now is: what happens next? The first thing is change, Khawaja for the injured Shaun Marsh, and on the circumstantial evidence of the nets yesterday, teenage eye-catcher Pat Cummins for Peter Siddle, not Mitch Johnson as expected. Captain and selector Michael Clarke, a Johnson man whose faith has been sorely tried, spoke in terms of a last chance.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...-brain-snap-20111116-1njd5.html#ixzz1dvSKlbfC

Looks like Cummins was making his debut even before the Harris injury scare.
 

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I hope it's a smokescreen. Wouldnt make NSW full strength XI. Should not be there.

Talk it could be Siddle Johnson and Cummins ffs.

And the worst thing is these gambles might pay off for a test. Look at Saffa 09 tour, Johnson and Siddle bowled out of their skins and we've been stuck with them since. Looking like HUghes may be in this catagory as well. Johnson over his last 15 tests has taken 46 wickets @ 40. As shit as that is one of those tests he got 9/80 odd, averaging 47 across the other 14 tests. Stick a fork in him he's done.

But we expect he'll turn it around mirraculously.

We ditch Copeland after three tests when he bowled far better than his figures yet we want to pull together a bowling attack that could comfortably concede 400 in a day.

We still have the wrong mindset, despite as many reviews and bullshit as possible.
 
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I was questioning it last test as well, but Harris ahs to be a worry. Probably our best bowler but his pace droped 5-10km over a test and he cant seem to play two in a row, will probably hit a point where we cant keep picking him.

Should be Harris Copeland Siddle, looking like Johnson Siddle Cummins. FFS
 

Hallatia

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I think Harris was also looking a bit fat in the last test.

What ever happened to Hilfenhaus?
 

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He was terrible in the Ashes (although he wasnt the only one). Bowling reasonably for Tasmania at present.
 

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