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3rd ODI: New Zealand v Sri Lanka at Nelson on Dec 31, 2015

JJ

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He's not part of the first choice lineup, that's why he's 'in and out'

Ronchi is an interesting one - you wonder if someone like Cachopa is worth a go, or Latham takes the gloves and we have someone like Munro in?
 

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He's not part of the first choice lineup, that's why he's 'in and out'

Ronchi is an interesting one - you wonder if someone like Cachopa is worth a go, or Latham takes the gloves and we have someone like Munro in?

And he's not first choice because he scores slower than BMac. No?

Deductive reasoning.

Unless you think BMac is a specialist captain ala Brearley ;)

And if he is, Latham still does not score enough runs or fast enough to diisplace Guptill.
 
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JJ

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And he's not first choice because he scores slower than BMac. No?

Deductive reasoning.

Unless you think BMac is a specialist captain ala Brearley ;)

McCullum is a better ODI player - I am not arguing with you here - once McCullum retires it will be interesting, they could go with Latham or perhaps Worker - unless they go to someone outside the 'squad'

I'm ready to flush the dunny on Ronchi - there are players about who could do as well
 

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McCullum is a better ODI player - I am not arguing with you here - once McCullum retires it will be interesting, they could go with Latham or perhaps Worker - unless they go to someone outside the 'squad'

I'm ready to flush the dunny on Ronchi - there are players about who could do as well

If Ronchi and Elliot both go, Latham and Munro can replace both in a 2 for 2. Munro to Ronchi type bat and Elliot 6th or 7th bowling option, Latham to keep and bat 5 or lower and float down on good wickets and support strikers Anderson and Munro, and then try to score in the slog.

Still need to replace BMac at the top with someone.

Has Watling improved his striking? No. De Boorder?
 
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JJ

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Not Watling... Phillips in a few years I guess - obviously Ryder could do it, Cachopa? Devcich, Nicol, a few about until Phillips (presumably) is ready, there's no obvious long term person - Santner has done it for ND, I think
 

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This post is entirely innaccurate.

He has played NINE ODI matches in a row. He has not missed a NZ ODI match since NZ left England. He has opened in all of them.

How about you wake up?




He is in and out of the team because he bats too slow for the pitches he bats on. He got big scores this winter tour - but he started his innings painfully slowly. Had he got out, they were bad innings. As it was, when he caught his innings up to a certain extent - the reality is - he should have had a bigger scores by scoring faster at the start of the innings or gotten out earlier and wasted less balls.

Striking in the mid 70's for a career is too slow for an opener. He has had 15 goes at opening now. The last 9 in a row. And 35 matches altogether. How many chances does he need to score quick in the powerplays on a good batting wicket?

Are you a Cantabrian? Are Cantabrians above criticism?
Latham is almost as big a Myth as Micheal Bevan.
 

ANTiLAG

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Not Watling... Phillips in a few years I guess - obviously Ryder could do it, Cachopa? Devcich, Nicol, a few about until Phillips (presumably) is ready, there's no obvious long term person - Santner has done it for ND, I think

Ryder 58 off 42 yesterday. 29 off 22 the match before.

He sure can do it. Post Bmac, Elliot and Ronchi

Ryder (7)
Guptill
Williamson (6)
Taylor
Munro (8)
Anderson (4)
Santner (5)
Latham (+)
Milne (3)
Southee (2)
Boult (1)

I could almost live with.

But Phillips opening and keeping - no Ryder and Latham - may be the reality if Philips is half as good as you think he will be.

Could almost drop a strike a bowler for another batsman.

Philips (+)
Guptill
Williamson (7)
Taylor
Munro (6)
Anderson (4)
Nicholls
Santner (3)
Milne
Southee
Boult

That works too.
 
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chigurh

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The kiwi score was way under par but I still didn't have much faith in Sri Lanka to chase it down. Surprised at how easy they did it in the end.
 

JJ

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Ryder 58 off 42 yesterday. 29 off 22 the match before.

He sure can do it. Post Bmac, Elliot and Ronchi

Ryder (7)
Guptill
Williamson (6)
Taylor
Munro (8)
Anderson (4)
Santner (5)
Latham (+)
Milne (3)
Southee (2)
Boult (1)

I could almost live with.

But Phillips opening and keeping - no Ryder and Latham - may be the reality if Philips is half as good as you think he will be.

Could almost drop a strike a bowler for another batsman.

Philips (+)
Guptill
Williamson (7)
Taylor
Munro (6)
Anderson (4)
Nicholls
Santner (3)
Milne
Southee
Boult

That works too.

We'll see on Phillips - he's only just 19... age group cricket is different to the big boys
 

ANTiLAG

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Corey Anderson is so incredibly vital to NZ ODI.

He has no peer in NZ cricket at the moment.

Still dont like him as a test player, though.
 

Iafeta

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This post is entirely innaccurate.

He has played NINE ODI matches in a row. He has not missed a NZ ODI match since NZ left England. He has opened in all of them.

How about you wake up?




He is in and out of the team because he bats too slow for the pitches he bats on. He got big scores this winter tour - but he started his innings painfully slowly. Had he got out, they were bad innings. As it was, when he caught his innings up to a certain extent - the reality is - he should have had a bigger scores by scoring faster at the start of the innings or gotten out earlier and wasted less balls.

Striking in the mid 70's for a career is too slow for an opener. He has had 15 goes at opening now. The last 9 in a row. And 35 matches altogether. How many chances does he need to score quick in the powerplays on a good batting wicket?

Are you a Cantabrian? Are Cantabrians above criticism?

Lol you sure are a fiery douche sack. No wonder the Aussies on here love trolling the hell out of you. What instructions does he have for a start. Secondly, the innings where he played in ODI one or two had absolutely no need to create strike rate.

And no, I'm not a Cantabrian.

Nine ODIs without being a first choice player and slotting into different roles proves nothing.
 

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Corey Anderson is so incredibly vital to NZ ODI.

He has no peer in NZ cricket at the moment.

Still dont like him as a test player, though.

You mean the bloke who gets regularly tonked around the park? Batting is good but his bowling needs a lot of improvement to be considered without peer.
 

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I don't understand the hard on that you have for Corey Anderson Antilag.

In another thread, he named him in an all time ODI X!...not a NZ one, a world one.
 

ANTiLAG

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Without peer? Kane Williamson says WTF

As an allrounder JJ. As an allrounder.

KW needs to bowl more overs before he is classified as an allrounder.

And while Williamson is the better ODI bat - Ross Taylor made the ICC ODI team - KW did not. KW should have got in ahead of Steve Smith cos Ross deserved his place - but ya'know.
 
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ANTiLAG

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Lol you sure are a fiery douche sack.

No - I'm quite calm.

No wonder the Aussies on here love trolling the hell out of you.
Ad hominem im personam. Totally irrelevant to you claiming three games when its in fact 9. You told me to wake up as he has played a mere "3 games" in a row. I duly obliged and woke you up to the fact its 9 in a row, not a mere 3. It is a sum total of 35 games to bot where he opened in 14 of them.

Don't be so swift to tell people to wake up in future when you are totally and utterly wrong.

What instructions does he have for a start.
According McMillan today? Targets are set but the batsman can override. He is scoring too slow. That is why he cannot maintain a place in the side over the past couple of seasons. You think it is because he is too good for the team?

Secondly, the innings where he played in ODI one or two had absolutely no need to create strike rate.
And the other 7? And the remaining 5 sum opening? And the 20 innings not opening?

Nine ODIs without being a first choice player and slotting into different roles proves nothing.

It proves that its not a mere three games in a row like you said. 9 games in a row and he's still slow - just like his 14 games opening in sum, and his 35 games in total. But hey - you want to give him a "chance". Perhaps you really mean, yet another chance?
 
You mean the bloke who gets regularly tonked around the park? Batting is good but his bowling needs a lot of improvement to be considered without peer.
Corey Anderson – the million dollar all rounder. Averages 35 at SR 123 and 24 with the ball at 6.3 bowling a lot of death and powerplay overs.

So who is his allrounder peer?

Santner? Santner goes for more runs with the ball not really death bowling (6.65) with wickets at 46.57, and gets less runs with the bat (27) at a slower pace (111). Corey has him beat easy.

Neesham? Neesham goes for more runs per over (6.4) – not really a death bowler, and averages 34.35 for a wicket, gets less runs (21.63) at a lower SR (95.58).

Oh you want 5 bowlers in the team? You want Santner, an inferior batsman at 6? And a bowler at 8 instead of Santner? And say goodbye to Corey’s batting? For a “superior” bowler – well lets how that superior bowler looks with some regular death and powerplay bowling.

Pick fights with me all you like. But try and pick a reasonable one.

“Wake up”. Corey Anderson is without peer currently in NZ as a limited over ODI all rounder. It is why he is the undisputed #1 for the #6 batting role when fit.

He bowls like Mitch McLeakin (Corey does death overs for 6.3 and averages 24 with the ball) -McLeakin (5.95 with this nice SL series but still 28.2 for wicket but bats at 19 runs at a 64 SR) and bats better and faster than McCullum (~30 at 108SR as a specialist batsman).

I like you as a poster. You started this by telling me in response to my post that I should “wake up” when you had the facts wrong.
If you want to continue the rift - be my guest. I’m awake. Or I'm happy to cyber shake hands and walk away from this rift, but I can be stubborn and immature over it too should you choose that path. If you choose the latter, start upping your game. Try and make critical arguments and analysis and not mere ad hominem like El Diablo. I like intellectual stimulation, not name calling.
 
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