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3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Newlands, Capetown, March 22-26, 2018

Hutty1986

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Smithy's captaincy will be turfed and Warners VC as well most likely. Doubt he plays the 4th test and may miss a few more. The social media mass outrage is way way OTT but this is a pretty bad f**k up and there should be significant consequences. Let's see what the all-knowing ICC has to say about it.
 

Timbo

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One that's not perfect....a bit like my NRL team.

You know your NRL team cheats, right?

Again, what the f**k does NRL have to do with any of this?

Your point is made - you're fine with cheats and cheating. But this thread has made it staggeringly clear that nobody else is.
 

Mr Spock!

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Makes you wonder how Imran Khan taught the NSW boys how to reverse swing.

Everyone's doing it.

But when Australia does it, it's the worst thing ever.

Ball-tampering is an open secret - Greig


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"Some may choose to deny it but most bowlers have technically indulged in ball-tampering," Greig told Cricinfo's Time Out show. "Ball-tampering is one of cricket's most open secrets and it has been for at least 50 years."

In the most recent incident, Afridi was caught by TV cameras apparently biting the ball on a couple of occasions during the last ODI against Australia. This was reported by the TV umpire to the on-field umpires who, after a chat with Afridi, changed the ball. At a hearing with the match referee Ranjan Madugalle immediately after the game, Afridi pleaded guilty to the charge, apologised and regretted his action but was banned for two Twenty20 internationals.

Afridi later said the practice was common in cricket, a sentiment echoed by Greig. "It is common knowledge that bottle tops and sand paper in particular have been used in the past to change the surface of the ball in an effort to create reverse swing," Greig said. "New Zealand's Adam Parore openly admits that New Zealand, in retribution for what they thought Pakistan had been doing, went to work on the ball with a bottle top in a Test in 1990 in Faisalabad. Parore said Chris Pringle was the major beneficiary in so much as he took 11 wickets in the match."

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ausvpak09/content/story/447477.html
 

AlwaysGreen

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My feeling is Smith will be stood down from the captaincy and send home right after this test. That's more than what ICC would do, that's sufficient penalty. What do we want to happen, hang the bloke??
Leadership group should all go home as well with the same penalty. Ifs its a lot of them and we cant field a side, then we forfeit. That's what people want to see?

The outcome of the racism that Symonds had to go through in India then with Harbhajan Singh in Australia was pathetic. He was found guilty and suspended matches but India bullied, threatened to go home and got it over turned.

At the end of the day the ICC need to get tougher on all these issues. No one country should be leading the way nor bullying their way. Same for all
Mate, the ICC has never been strong.

Smith is the leader of the team, he failed massively as a leader, that's why he should go.
 

Mr Spock!

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Again, what the f**k does NRL have to do with any of this?

Your point is made - you're fine with cheats and cheating. But this thread has made it staggeringly clear that nobody else is.

Different standards dude...

You want the Aussie team to be perfect.

They aren't.
 

Bazal

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I think people are missing the point.

Is having some turf or dirt or whatever on a bit of tape going to alter the ball more than sunblock off your forehead or deliberate bounce throws into the square? Almost certainly not, it seems pretty ineffective honestly.

The major problem is that the Australian captain has essentially admitted that his only idea to beat South Africa is to cheat. The sheer lack of anything resembling leadership or captaincy nous is damning
 

Mr Spock!

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Smith and Warner won't go....

If anyone, Lehmann will be the sacrificial lamb offered to the masses....
 

Mr Spock!

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I think people are missing the point.

Is having some turf or dirt or whatever on a bit of tape going to alter the ball more than sunblock off your forehead or deliberate bounce throws into the square? Almost certainly not, it seems pretty ineffective honestly.

The major problem is that the Australian captain has essentially admitted that his only idea to beat South Africa is to cheat. The sheer lack of anything resembling leadership or captaincy nous is damning


Smith isn't a leader....

Never was.
 

Twizzle

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Smithy's captaincy will be turfed and Warners VC as well most likely. Doubt he plays the 4th test and may miss a few more. The social media mass outrage is way way OTT but this is a pretty bad f**k up and there should be significant consequences. Let's see what the all-knowing ICC has to say about it.

some of the social media I've read is the opposite

ball tampering is common knowledge, Faf gets a lot of mentions as a repeat offender and hasn't eve missed a game, not as bad as match fixing, Hanse gets a few mentions, Smith owned up to it so slap on the wrist

some people just dont believe in the rules, ethics, morals ect
 

JJ

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Lehmann was pretty talkative when whinging about how mean the crowds are, has he had anything to say about his team's orchestrated cheating, or just hiding in the shadows?
 

Eelectrica

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Lehmann was pretty talkative when whinging about how mean the crowds are, has he had anything to say about his team's orchestrated cheating, or just hiding in the shadows?
We'll hear something from Lehmann as soon as he can figure a way to pin this on the kid sitting in the 3rd row shouting 'Australia can't bat!'
 
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