3rd Test: South Africa v Australia at Newlands, Capetown, March 22-26, 2018

[simmo1]

So the 'leadership' group just decided to try their hand at cheating during a 40min lunch break during a game (and series) that was looking grim, but hardly unsalvageable?

I'm struggling to believe this is the first instance, and it throws a lot of question marks over recent results imo.

 

[Mr Spock!]

And exposing your ethics and/or understanding of the game

Lol, I'm applying the same ethics as that shown to other players from overseas.

It's people who are in histrionics who put Australian cricketers on pedestals as moral custodians of the game.

 

[mave]

Yep.
Aussie standards should well exceed the limp lettuce ICC standards.

Time to take a stand against cheating.
We need to lead the way, even if it hurts our results.

 

[Eelectrica]

You mean like the 2005 Ashes?

Funny, poms don't seem to question that.

They seem to find it funny.

This feels completely different to rubbing mint flavoured saliva on a ball which may or may not actually be doing much of anything to affect the ball. At the time it doesn't seem like that was deemed illegal anyway so that's probably more in the underarm category.

This was a conspiracy to actively rough up the ball, and attempt to conceal evidence of doing so.

Thing of it is, Smith a good captain, and being relieved of the captaincy would be doing him a favour. His batting results speak for themselves, the more controversy going on this tour, the worse are his batting returns.

He needs to cop his suspension and get back to scoring runs.

 

[JJ]

[QUOTE="Mr Spock!, post: 12761375, member: 35385]
It's people who are in histrionics who put Australian cricketers on pedestals as moral custodians of the game.[/QUOTE]
Australian players etc have done that to themselves

 

[Mr Spock!]

Ian Chappell urges ICC to find a way to legalize ball-tampering

Faf looks worried about being caught....

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket...peal-against-icc-over-ball-tampering-decision

 

[typicalfan]

That might appear to be the same thing but it’s not.

 

[Mr Spock!]

[QUOTE="Mr Spock!, post: 12761375, member: 35385]
It's people who are in histrionics who put Australian cricketers on pedestals as moral custodians of the game.

Australian players etc have done that to themselves[/QUOTE]

Lol.....now we'll suspend batsmen who don't walk or fielders who appeal because it wasn't out....

Because Australians are the moral guardians of cricket ffs.

 

[Eelectrica]

ICC needs to clearly define what constitutes ball tampering. Using a foreign object is clearly out.
Mint lollies should be tested to see if they have an impact at all. Things like bandages could be checked out by umpires on ground to see if their is anything on them that could impact the state of the ball.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Right wing nut jobs should stick to conspiracy theories.

ignored

 

[Mr Spock!]

This feels completely different to rubbing mint flavoured saliva on a ball which may or may not actually be doing much of anything to affect the ball. At the time it doesn't seem like that was deemed illegal anyway so that's probably more in the underarm category.

This was a conspiracy to actively rough up the ball, and attempt to conceal evidence of doing so.

Thing of it is, Smith a good captain, and being relieved of the captaincy would be doing him a favour. His batting results speak for themselves, the more controversy going on this tour, the worse are his batting returns.

He needs to cop his suspension and get back to scoring runs.

Yes it feels that way because you're outraged that they were caught.

Other countries don't feel that way.

Kohli's done it, Saffers have done it, Tendulkar........

 

[Mr Spock!]

That might appear to be the same thing but it’s not.

Yeah it was a different type of ball tampering by the future saffer captain....

Who did it twice!!!!

 

[Twizzle]

ICC needs to clearly define what constitutes ball tampering. Using a foreign object is clearly out.
Mint lollies should be tested to see if they have an impact at all. Things like bandages could be checked out by umpires on ground to see if their is anything on them that could impact the state of the ball.

they already have a rule book and its clearly defined as altering the balls original condition

they just dont enforce it

 

[Tiger5150]

That might appear to be the same thing but it’s not.

Dont stop his googling, he's on a roll. Completely missing the point but googling his heart out looking for something back his point up.

 

[Eelectrica]

Australian players etc have done that to themselves

Lol.....now we'll suspend batsmen who don't walk or fielders who appeal because it wasn't out....

Because Australians are the moral guardians of cricket ffs.[/QUOTE]

The point is they actively tried to seek an unfair advantage using something brought onto the ground with express purpose of affecting the ball.

This goes beyond someone sucking on a lolly and shining the ball. IMHO.

We're not moral guardians of the game, but surely we can try to play somewhere within the rules.We haven't bent the rules, we've shattered them.

I'm not calling for lifetime bans, just what is within the current rules and Smith to be dropped as captain for his total and complete stupidity for not stopping this before it got going and complete obliviousness as to how serious the situation is.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Imran Khan

"Indeed, the most startling admission so far released concerns a county match between Sussex and Hampshire in 1991. 'The ball was not deviating at all,' Imran is quoted as saying. 'So I got the 12th man to bring on a bottle top and it started to move around a lot. I occasionally scratched the side (of the ball) and lifted the seam.'

This contravenes Law 42.4 (lifting the seam) and 42.5 (changing condition of the ball) but, quite clearly, Imran was not the only Sussex player aware of the illegality of his own actions.

Imran, who took 362 Test wickets, also admits to lifting the seam, a practice he alleges - and with some justification - is rife in England. So, too, is treating the ball with an illegal substance such as lanolin or Vaseline to get extra swing. What, he argues, is the difference?"

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...rowing-light-on-a-touchy-subject-1434755.html

 

[Tiger5150]

t....

Because Australians are the moral guardians of cricket ffs.

Australian Cricketers, particularly Australian Captains ARE the moral guardians of Australian Cricket.

What kind of Australian team do you want to support?

 

[TheParraboy]

My feeling is Smith will be stood down from the captaincy and send home right after this test. That's more than what ICC would do, that's sufficient penalty. What do we want to happen, hang the bloke??
Leadership group should all go home as well with the same penalty. Ifs its a lot of them and we cant field a side, then we forfeit. That's what people want to see?

The outcome of the racism that Symonds had to go through in India then with Harbhajan Singh in Australia was pathetic. He was found guilty and suspended matches but India bullied, threatened to go home and got it over turned.

At the end of the day the ICC need to get tougher on all these issues. No one country should be leading the way nor bullying their way. Same for all

 

[Mr Spock!]

Lol.....now we'll suspend batsmen who don't walk or fielders who appeal because it wasn't out....

Because Australians are the moral guardians of cricket ffs.

The point is they actively tried to seek an unfair advantage using something brought onto the ground with express purpose of affecting the ball.

This goes beyond someone sucking on a lolly and shining the ball. IMHO.

We're not moral guardians of the game, but surely we can try to play somewhere within the rules.We haven't bent the rules, we've shattered them.

I'm not calling for lifetime bans, just what is within the current rules and Smith to be dropped as captain for his total and complete stupidity for not stopping this before it got going and complete obliviousness as to how serious the situation is.[/QUOTE]


Keep telling yourself that........

"The point is they actively tried to seek an unfair advantage using something brought onto the ground with express purpose of affecting the ball."


Trescothick

""Through trial and error I finally settled on the best type of spit for the task at hand," he wrote in an excerpt that has appeared in News Of The World.

"It had been common knowledge in county cricket for some time that certain sweets produced saliva which, when applied to the ball for cleaning purposes, enabled it to keep its shine for longer and therefore its swing.""

 

[Mr Spock!]

Australian Cricketers, particularly Australian Captains ARE the moral guardians of Australian Cricket.

What kind of Australian team do you want to support?

One that's not perfect....a bit like my NRL team.

You know your NRL team cheats, right?