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5th and final ASHES TEST: England v Australia at the Oval, Aug 20-24

hineyrulz

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Siddle bowls a lot of loose ones, but the thing about him he keeps charging in and producing wicket taking deliveries. Looking at the wicket we should of played a spinner, but North and Clark can do a job for us and Kat may be Handy on day 3 or 4. Just as well they only have Swann to bowl at us.
 

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Why no mention of Clark there? I love Stuey, he's been a fantastic bowler for our country but in the game and a half he's played this series, besides one good innings he's been below par yet seems to always escape your scrutiny based on what he's done in the past.

You said it makes sense to judge a cricketer on current form (i agree) so lets do that. In the game and a half that Clark and Siddle have played together this series Siddle has figures of 10/134 off 40 overs at and average of 13.4.

Clarke on the other hand has bowled 5 overs less with figures of only 3/133 at an average of 44. You say Siddle was "lucky" that he got a bagfull of wickets. Does that make Clark unlucky he's only got in his last 3 in the same time Siddle has 10?

I'm sure some would say that Siddle cleaned up a few of the tail last game to enhance his figures but the main thing is he took them and Clark never. That said the 3 that Clark has taken (Cook, Collingwood and Broad) Siddle has also taken as well.

Siddle may very well bowl the odd loose ball but the fact is he's still taking more wickets at less runs than Clark yet he still gets bagged which to me makes f**k all sense. All this while his series average is 26.75 which is pretty good considering his test career is all of 5 mins old.

Like i said i love Stuey, my blood runs as blue as any New South Welshman and i certainly think he should be in the team, but if you want to judge cricketers on current form he shouldn't be immune to the criticism you dish out to other blokes and especially considering he isn't bowling as well as one of them.

Well said, good post

I also said Siddle was a wicket taker but he has to tighten up, he has to get rid of those bad balls and legside sh*t

Clarky has dropped a metre or so in pace and it showed last night, he was tight without being penetrating, but I expect him to bowl well stump to stump on a deteriorating wicket in the second innings if his fitness holds up.

Clarky also faded in the last test. my guess is he is not match fit and it showed.

Unfortunatley I think his age is also showing now, which means we may be running out of options other than to stick with our current and inexperienced 3.
 

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Siddle bowls a lot of loose ones, but the thing about him he keeps charging in and producing wicket taking deliveries. Looking at the wicket we should of played a spinner, but North and Clark can do a job for us and Kat may be Handy on day 3 or 4. Just as well they only have Swann to bowl at us.

I agree we are desperately missing a good spinner but we only have Hauri and frankly I'd rather play 4 quicks

personally I just dont rate finger spinners, unless its a Murali clone, wrist spinners will win test matches but fingers spinners wont imo
 

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I've missed it somewhere ... question, has there been any indication as to when or if Watson will be coming back to bowling? (more looking to the future here)
 

hineyrulz

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I agree we are desperately missing a good spinner but we only have Hauri and frankly I'd rather play 4 quicks

personally I just dont rate finger spinners, unless its a Murali clone, wrist spinners will win test matches but fingers spinners wont imo
Besides Murali and Saqlain a good finger spinner the last 15 years has been as rare as hens teeth. Monty looked promising but hasn't gone on, Vettori is a great one day but struggles in the longer form of the game. We were spoilt having Warnie and MacGilla the last 10 or so years.
 

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Aussies need a lead in the first innings to have chance of awin in this test. Also all this talk about the wicket spinning and it will be hard to bat on on the last day, I don't buy it at all. Swann is crap anyway he couldn't bowl an under 11 team to victory.
 
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FMD Watson is looking dodgy here.

Watson should have been out LBW.

He looked absolutely WOEFUL the first 6 overs or so. He played and missed ten times and there were at least 4 good LBW shouts against him. But he fought through it, and with Katich, have put us in a really good position at lunch.
 
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Aussies need a lead in the first innings to have chance of awin in this test. Also all this talk about the wicket spinning and it will be hard to bat on on the last day, I don't buy it at all. Swann is crap anyway he couldn't bowl an under 11 team to victory.

Watson and Katich have played Swann with ease so far.

Apart from Watson's struggles to put bat on bowl the first six overs, their doesn't look like there are any demons in the pitch at all.
 

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Swann is getting a few to talk and will be a threat throughout. But the longer we keep him wicketless the lower his confidence will be. Will be interesting seeing if Flintoff gets reverse swing which Nas said this pitch always does.
 

Broncodr01d

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Another successful opening partnership from these two (Watson and Katich) ... I still don't agree that we should've dropped Hughes, though again, Watson has done the job with aplomb. Pressure will continue to mount on Hussey if he fails yet again this Test.
 

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Jeez Watson was lucky to survive, one of those shouts of Flintoff was pretty plumb. Really has to work on the ball that swings into his pads.

Don't really understand Swann. After bowling that ripper to Watson by slowing it down and flighting the ball to entice the drive, why didn't he just keep repeating that? Commentators made a good point, some of the stuff Swann dished up wasn't much different to what North was doing.
 

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Ridders

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Have to admit, i enjoy pitches that aren't made for 450+ scores. Makes you work for your runs, which is what Test cricket really is all about.
 
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I think we might have seen the last of Michael Hussey in a baggy green cap.

Although upon review that should never have been given. Too high!
 

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